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How many people here use "Medical Marijuana" on hunts? How does it affect your "trip"? No I have not gotten mouth to mouth "treatment" from Nurse Mary Jane since "High" School. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | ||
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I don't and I don't think I'd be happy sharing a camp with anybody who did. Jim "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson | |||
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I don't drink, but having a belt or two after your day, shooting or otherwise, seems fine to me. Dealing with grown men who habitually smoke dope I've found a waste of time. Mixing booze/dope with firearms is exactly what we know it is. | |||
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there's this question on the white form; "are you an unlawful user of or addicted to any of the following..." It precludes you from purchasing firearms, or owning or possessing them. One of these fine days the BATFE is going to go to FFL dealers and research those files for people who are on the Medical Marijuana Card register in the various states. Federal Law trumps state or other jurisdictions. I would not be surprised to see Kali turn those records over if asked. We know how the bureau works. I wouldn't even knowingly have a cup of coffee with somebody who was doing drugs. Guilt by association. | |||
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While some few may truly have a need for medical mj, it has become, without doubt, the biggest scam of all time, in all states, not just CA. Had a govt. game scout in Zambia back in '04 who smoked dope on the back of the truck daily. Fortunately he was not my game scout on my truck or he would have ben returned to his boss after his first puff. AK-47 and dope? I don't think so. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I'd not hunt with someone stoned or drunk. But I'd rather hunt with someone who had a couple of puffs at night then someone who got drunk. | |||
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only a moron would hunt with someone who's stoned | |||
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Smoking pot or drinking on a hunt is a deal-breaker for me. Around a campfire is something I'd have to think about, I don't have a problem with splitting a bottle of red wine in the evening. I suspect there is a lot of unnecessary "medicating" going on. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Karumba! Saw this and wondered who this nurse was, and who needs to take a nurse along when they,re hunting? Reckon thats a no, then. And yet another reminder that not only does my kid no longer think I,m cool, I no longer give a shit about being hip, slick, and cool. Nothin against anybody that has a drink after the hunt, but in the field, for me, they don,t mix. First time I found out there realy was such a thing as sound hunting, and idiots goofy enough to fire in the direction of something that "sounded like a deer", was enough for me. Took a while before I had any desire to be out in the woods again during hunting season. | |||
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B-A-D News for the nurse and her clientele... This memo is just beginning to make the news: September 21st, 2011 The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms,& Explosives, etc points out that the Federal Government (has & still) classifies Marijuana as a Schedule I controlled substance, even in those states that have medical marijuana laws. "Therefore, any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless if whether his or her state has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance and is prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition," the memo proclaims. As of that date, the BATFE considers all holders of medical marijuana cards from the various states to be no longer eligible to purchase or possess firearms or ammunition. And merely by requesting the various states to provide them with a list of licencees; BATFE can go to any FFL holder in the respective states and request the forms be trotted out for purposes of cross-checking for users. as my rather tactless friend Rodney would say "there's some folks getting ready to get a federal f--king, with a dick big enough to make a bull elephant jealous." take care, and tread lightly on the land... Rich | |||
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To answer the opening post.....no, I don't use it or hunt with it but I'd certainly have no problem with someone who wanted to relax with a joint after hunting, just like I don't have a problem with people who want to relax with a couple of drinks of Scotch or a bottle of wine. The "war on drugs" has been one of the biggest fiascos the American People have ever been conned into participating in, right after prohibition. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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The problem with someone who wants to relax with a joint after hunting is that they do so in flagrant violation of the law. What other laws will they choose to not comply with, especially when hunting? A pattern of selective non-compliance with the law is a character flaw and an indication of one's ethical standard. . | |||
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agreed with Grenadier. I have never met a person who would choose to break the law in one area that would not choose to break any other one that might benefit them. This is symptomatic of the breakdown of society we are experiencing all over the world; choosing which laws we will obey and which ones we will not. That old "it's all about me..." thing coming around. | |||
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I'm certain that neither of you pristine law obeyers ever exceed the speed limits, NEVER roll through a stop sign, always pay the taxes (if any, hint, that includes Idaho) due to your state on internet purchases, never had a drink before legal drinking age, have NEVER gotten drunk at a party or a bar, drank moonshine, never paid or been paid in cash in order to avoid taxes, paid a bribe in Africa, or Mexico or where ever, NEVER bought or smoked a Cuban cigar ANYWHERE, etc. etc. BECAUSE if you had, then that would certainly be a character flaw and would also be contributing to the "breakdown of society", now wouldn't it? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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+1 GWB | |||
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Nobody was claiming to be perfect. Nobody's character is flawless. It's the major flaws and a pattern of dishonesty and lawbreaking that sets one apart as a moral derelict. Nevertheless, I'll give you some honest answers: Never exceed the speed limits? Yes, I have. Intentionally when I was young and stupid but only unintentionally now that I am more mature and wiser. However, simple speeding is an infraction and not a criminal offense. NEVER roll through a stop sign? Never intentionally. Always pay the taxes due to your state on internet purchases? When required. Never had a drink before legal drinking age? Yes, on a couple of occasions, and one of them as an Air Force ROTC cadet at the O-Club. But, of course, I was under 21 at the time and I will be the first to admit that I did some stupid things in my youth. I know better now. NEVER gotten drunk at a party or a bar? Yes, too many times to remember in too many places to list but it wasn't illegal. I don't claim to be an angel just someone who abides by the law. Never paid or been paid in cash in order to avoid taxes? Nope. Paid a bribe in Africa, or Mexico or whereever? Nope. I don't claim to be perfect but I don't do things in deliberate and flagrant violation of the law. There have been times in my life when I had to take a polygraph test for a job. There have also been times when I had to pass some pretty extensive background investigations that included interviews with people I had known or worked with several years before. I never had a problem with any of that. I don't consider myself better than anyone but I can say my conscience is clear. I could ask you the same sort of petty questions but let's get down to brass tacks, shall we. Why don't you take a turn at answering these questions? We will make sure we rule out youthful misdeeds and transgressions: Are you in possession of "drug paraphernalia"? Are you in possession of controlled substances for which you do not/did not have a valid prescription? Have you used illegal drugs in the last year? Have you manufactured, grown or produced, illegal drugs in the last five years? Have you sold illegal drugs in the last five years? As an adult have you ever committed a felony for which you were not caught? And.....(drum roll please).. if you answered yes to any of the above, are you in possession of firearms and/or ammunition? . | |||
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Don't know the laws very well do you? Fool, I'm not answering your questions, if you've got evidence, bring it on, otherwise you mind your business and I'll mind mine. I have very little problem with breaking laws that I find specious but then I believe in contributing to the "breakdown of society" as some of the narrow minded, short sex act citizens define it. Just sign me "moral derelict" xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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You're the one that started asking personal questions. We suspected so much but now you have removed all doubt. . | |||
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Boomstick - Why is it that every time this subject comes up the dope users out there always try to equate getting a speeding ticket to a lifestyle of using ILLEGAL drugs? How pathetic is that? FYI - .7 grams is about one joint -
So the next time someone with a firearm lights up a joint in your hunting camp you can tell them they just committed a felony. . | |||
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And, for our learned friend who wants to question what the law says, here is 18 U.S.C. section 922(g), including subsection (3)............ Section (3) above - unlawful user of controlled substance and cannabis is on the list Section (2) above - fugitive from justice, if you committed a felony but they haven't caught you then you are a fugitive from justice And it includes both firearms AND ammunition . | |||
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Gordo, people like you who consider themselves above the laws they personally disagree with are one of the current issues facing this country. For civilization to exist, a community must set rules of conduct and impose sanctions upon those who violate those rules. It is nothing short of amazing, how the majority of cultures mores very closely reflect the Ten Commandments. If you choose to step outside the law, you are then, by definition, an outlaw. That's the issue with the OWS children; they think anybody with money should share with them. It is as if they believe that life is not fair, because some of us are willing to work for what we have. In many countries it is called socialism; taking (by force if need be) from those who have, and giving it to those who do not have a work ethic ingrained in them by family. We have had several instances make the local papers here of HS students walking to school, pass by a vehicle which some twit started and then went back into their home to wait for it to warm up. They opt to "borrow" it to get to school. They just park it and head to class. Two of them were apprehended by the local PD and actually told the arresting officers that they did NOT steal it; they just borrowed it because they were running late to school. If this were your vehicle, would you press charges? After all, they weren't really stealing your rig, just borrowed it for a couple minutes. | |||
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Gato you left out the best ones- Getting a BJ in Georgia is still a felony, regardless of gender. OR if you'd participated in the same behavior in most any state 20 years ago (The sodomy law was only repealed in California and Washington in 1976 as an example) you were also guilty, some places as misdemeanors and others as a felony. for every hour in front of the computer you should have 3 hours outside | |||
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I wouldn't hunt with someone who was high or drunk, but it's fairly obvious, at least to me, that marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol. Marijuana is not illegal in the US due to scientific or reasoned arguments. It's illegal due in large part to racism. http://www.drugwarrant.com/art...s-marijuana-illegal/ | |||
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Oh really, Rich? Hmmmm, please show me the checks you've sent to the Idaho State Tax Commission on all the guns and other items FOR THE USE TAX on items you've purchased on AR, and other internet sites, please include mail order as well. Oh really, Rich? Please tell me that you didn't write the following, among others, because if you had, you would be guilty of trading with the enemy and subject to rather severe penalties:
Surely you are familiar with 31 C.F.R. PART 515—CUBAN ASSETS CONTROL REGULATIONS and know that buying a cuban cigar by a US citizen is illegal, anywhere AND can incur the penalties specified under § 501.701 (bold emphasis mine)
Can you spell HYPOCRITE? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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More importantly, to Gato's point and Grenadier's statement, Rich, since you are an admitted felon, are you going to turn your guns in, or are you going to continue to be a: Section (2) above - fugitive from justice, if you committed a felony but they haven't caught you then you are a fugitive from justice. Hmmm? Or do you just consider it picking the laws you like? Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Mary Jane or whatever else you call it won't be around me. I dont mind a little cold beer around the camp fire but I wont hunt with a stoner or a drunk. The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | |||
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Have you ever broken the speed limit for any reason at all? If so, then I suggest you add hypocrisy as an indicator too. | |||
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You didn't read my reply following that did you? It starts with, "Nobody was claiming to be perfect. Nobody's character is flawless. It's the major flaws and a pattern of dishonesty and lawbreaking that sets one apart as a moral derelict" and goes on from there. I suggest you look back at it and supply us with your answers to the questions I asked. Also, the discussion wasn't about whether marijuana should be legal or not. Yet, anytime the question of smoking pot comes up people who currently smoke marijuana despite its illegality come out of the woodwork. They always try to explain away their transgressions as akin to exceeding the speed limit while driving. I don't know what the laws in the UK are but in the US even possessing one marijuana cigarette while one is in possession of a firearm is a FELONY. A crime for which the man in the example above was sentenced to "21 months in prison and three years supervised probation". In contrast, exceeding the speed limit is an infraction, not a criminal offense, not even a misdemeanor. To those who believe the current laws are unjust and should simply be ignored I say stand up for what you believe in. Don't act like a cowering rat smoking weed in the shadows. Instead, gather in the square by the thousands with a pistol on your hip and light up. . | |||
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Do you think marijuana should be illegal? | |||
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That's already the subject of another post. . | |||
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GUys, Comparing a person who may infact exceed the posted speed limit a bit (a citiation), to behavior which is a felony is rather rediculous. Choose. Either smoke pot legally as in medical MJ (if your doc will go there or your state inhales that line), or possess and use arms. Which is more important to you? Also, let's not forget most states and the feds consider operating a vehicle under the influence of legal or illegal drugs the same-DUI/OUI. Same for guns. Choose, but don't complain about the outcomes if it turns out badly. Man up. Choose, but do not expect others to nod and wink, espcially if you make your choices known. Best; | ||
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Perhaps giving an new meaning to "missing" a trophy animal! GWB | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Grenadier: Boomstick - Why is it that every time this subject comes up the dope users out there always try to equate getting a speeding ticket to a lifestyle of using ILLEGAL drugs? [QUOTE] Because they assume smoking dope on a wholesale basis doesn't make them any goddam dumber than doing 60 in a 55; then again, they have to be stoned to arrive at that. I've never heard anyone say how smart pot makes a guy. | |||
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Dude! What are ya' smokin' GWB | |||
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I've been laughing over that quote all morning! When I was guiding full time I was surprised about the number of people who would ask me, sometimes in the most round about ways, if it was ok for them to bring marijuana on their hunt. With their and my safeties, and my business’ ability to be insured, on the line my answer was always a very non round about no. A friend of mine’s father has chronic arthritis, but still manages to bow hunt. He will go on a walk and smoke a joint in the evenings when he feels like crap and since I am generally his guest at his lease I am not bothered by this behavior. Personally I will not go to the woods with someone whose judgment I feel will be impaired from some mind altering substance. That includes prescription pain killers, marijuana, alcohol and the occasional gorgeous half naked woman! I at one time was doing a range qualification to assess a young man’s (14-15yrs) shooting ability. My wife happened to be on the trip with us and was at the time floating in the pool on a raft in her swimsuit not far away from where we had set the bench up. The young man was so unable to concentrate on anything else, and was so nervous by her presence, that we had to move locations before he could settle down, shoot and be trusted with his firearm. To make a long story short anything that changes someone’s ability to focus on safe hunting practices needs not be present. Why anyone would want to be in any mind state that detracted from, or dulled the senses to, the pure and wonderful experience of the hunt is beyond me anyways. I want every last detail to be crystal clear in my mind so that on days when I am sitting here in the office I can relive my past adventures with out wondering if I really saw that giraffe in the Texas hill country, or if it was just the dope I was smoking. So to answer the question..It is my choice to not hunt with drugs/alcohol, and it is a choice that I hope my daughter will be wise enough to make as well. Healthy is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die "Men don't change. The only thing that should surprise a man in his life is the history he doesn't know." Harry Truman | |||
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Gordo & Larrys, you guys need to read the fine print. Taking things out of context is not only tacky, and boorish; it calls your intelligence and common sense levels into question. But, since you asked... 1. I buy my Cuban Cigars at the Luxus store in Johannesburg and smoke them on Safari in the evenings. US prohibitions do not apply outside the US and territorial waters. As an aside, you can legally travel to Cuba and buy limited quantities there to bring back. My brother, a Cousin and I, along with friends; make a Harley run up to Fort Steele, Canada, in the summer. Spend three or four days up at this neat old hotel shooting nine-ball and consuming copious quantities of good single malt Scotch and Cuban stogies. 2. The laws of Idaho do not require citizens to pay sales tax on out of state purchases, ie Internet or other outlets unless the merchant has a physical presence in the state. So, now that we have dealt with that, why don't the two of you tell us all about when and where, and how often you fire up a doobie? waiting for that post... regards, Rich | |||
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The answer is "no"...not because I think smoking a joint is any worse than hard spirits in camp,, it is just that joints are illegal! When the possum cops, {game wardens} show up and smell pot,,,,they will tear the place apart and you will have them to deal with forever. You camp will carry a black mark and get checked forever. They find a roach under a chair,,, whose is it? It is everyones in camp. I can't afford to take that risk and loose my license to practice just because someone wants to un wind a little,, make it legal and then bring it to camp,, with your Jack Daniels and when the guns are put in the safe,,, relax all you want.. you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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So erm, why did put the word "joint" itself in your company name? | |||
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You are 100% wrong on both topics except that you are right about the sales tax, citizens of Idaho are legally required to pay a USE tax, equal to the sales tax on most purchases, internet, in state, out of state, whatever that have not been subject to the Idaho sales tax. Care to bet? In the interim, I suggest you read what I posted about TWEA and look up Idaho Use Tax. Not only are you a hypocrite but you're trying to hide deliberately illegal acts under the guise of stupidity. Using your logic, US prohibitions against treason wouldn't apply on non-US territory. Yeah, right. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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