Boom stick

I know the list is endless, but the list of all the obstackles against it is even longer.

I've been thinking even a .620"/3" BMG. using 900gr. bullets at 2600fps. 22" barrel, 20/22 pounds rifle and quiet manageable recoil around 150fp-170fp./22fps.recoil velocity.

I dont mind the weight and the recoil, BUT I CAN NOT TOLERATE A MUZZLE BRAKE. I just can't.

As a toolmaker I can make anything I want, I was thinking at one stage to go all the way and make an oversize 4.6" (cheytac) port, 1" bolt Mauser/CZ with inner collar from a single piece of steel and long leaf extractor and one piece bolt, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE LAW STARTS AGAIN.

Legaly I can't do that and I won't break the law.

So not a simple solution, just problem after problem.

I just want a ONE HUNTING RIFLE with 10-14000fp of energy for everyday/every opportunity situation.

Pyzda

For legality and cost to horsepower the 12GFH is king.
A rimless repeater is a fun concept I think.
The think BMG brass is fun to get creative with.
I wonder if possible and how hard it would be to get a 460 WBY single stack to work with BMG brass.

As a no named lurker on this site, and no african hunting under my belt, yet at least, take this with a grain of salt.

I see merits of having a longer barrel and shorter barrel rifle. In some situations, that 20" barrel will make it nice to manuever in thick brush like what is seen in thick timber here in the states. Other times, you are hunting more open areas, and that longer barrel is nice. I dont see it as a sign of being weak for wanting a nice light rifle, as there is a time and place for it. I'd prefer one of each personally.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
For legality and cost to horsepower the 12GFH is king.
A rimless repeater is a fun concept I think.
The think BMG brass is fun to get creative with.
I wonder if possible and how hard it would be to get a 460 WBY single stack to work with BMG brass.

Boom stick

You lot must be very brave people or I'm a wuss.

I would/could not ever pull a trigger on any of the commercial actions available for a common line of cartridges. (.416" Rigby, 505 Gibbs case head).

If it was chambered for .800" floor BMG case loaded to any decent pressure.

Material fatique/failure is a common thing that engineering has to deal with.

I like to play safe and have plenty of REAL MARGIN left in calculations than to squeeze every bit out and to kidd myself how good it will be.

What looks good on paper, doesn't neccessary translate into the real life.


Pyzda

Besides being best for packing all day, speediest to bring to bear (pun intended), or use in any kind of CQB situation,
the short barrel is also like a built in muzzle brake with less noise to shooter than one of the side-hole affairs.
That improves speed on followup.
The extra muzzle flash is not all bad.
The recoil reduction by velocity decrease may exceed the recoil increase by barrel weight loss.

One drawback to the short barrel: You have to get closer to the supposedly dead critter to poke it in the eye.
But we know the corneal reflex is not always reliable, so no biggie.

Short barrels definitely have purpose.

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Originally posted by streetglideok:
As a no named lurker on this site, and no african hunting under my belt, yet at least, take this with a grain of salt.

I see merits of having a longer barrel and shorter barrel rifle. In some situations, that 20" barrel will make it nice to manuever in thick brush like what is seen in thick timber here in the states. Other times, you are hunting more open areas, and that longer barrel is nice. I dont see it as a sign of being weak for wanting a nice light rifle, as there is a time and place for it. I'd prefer one of each personally.

The thing is however, this topic is about barrel lengths on Dangerous Game rifles. Not just any game rifles but rifles specifically built for the pursuit of DG. If talking Africa, we are mainly speaking of buffalo or elephant, both of which are shot at close range. The longer barrel "for hunting more open areas" argument is not so applicable with those animals. With elephant especially, shots are long at 25 yards. Half that is about optimum. Buffalo, 50 yards and a bit seems to be about average. For most guys, once you've taken a couple, you'll want to add a bit of enrichment to the experience by getting closer if possible. That's why I cringe when I hear guys say "A scoped 375 is your best bet". Well, maybe for the first time buff hunter who needs to get one under his belt and on the wall. But the more you hunt them, most likely, you'll want to start getting closer taking them on with a larger caliber and maybe open sights. At least that's the way it was for me. Two years ago, I was after an ancient old buff cow in a large herd. We were trying to get her with my double 500NE (open sights). We just couldn't get close so I switched to the scoped .375. Task completed in about 10 minutes. I still believe I cheated myself out of the experience. With the double, we probably could have made it happen over the next day or so but I was set on getting it done so that we could change camps and hunt Sable.

Lion and leopard, well those are almost always taken over bait now days which usually means well under 75 yards and almost certainly with a scope. So the long radius sight plane is a moot point and again, we are talking about close range. There really isn't a need for the extra long barrel in order to "air out" the bullet for a long shot. These hunts usually end up with a follow up in thick brush where, depending on how thick the brush is, the long barrel can be a hinderance.

Phil has a bit different set up with the Brown Bears. I've seen guys take some long pokes at a bear. Not sure how smart that was however. Still, a rifle set up for a big Brownie is almost certain to have a scope so the long barrel for a better sight radius argument is again without merit. Both of my Brown Bears were shot inside of 75 yards. And having a shorter barrel would be handy when going in after one if necessary. Both of mine died out in the open so it wasn't an issue with my 25" barreled CZ 416 Rigby on the first (BTW, that barrel was cut to 23" and I may lop off a bit more before I'm completely happy with it) and my 24" barreled M-70 375 H&H on the second one. But I got a good, up close, and personal look at some of that really thick stuff they can get into if wounded and I'm not sure anything longer than a 500 S&W pistol with a 4" barrel would be much good in there!

For animals typically taken at long range such as Pronghorn Antelope, Sheep, Goats, Tahr, etc, yea ... a long barreled rat gun (nod to Michael there) is best. I have a Ruger #1 in 300 H&H with a 26" barrel that works great for that. But for the stuff that bites and stomps back, if I can get the traditional velocities with a shorter barrel, I don't see ANY reason, other than aesthetics, for going with the longer tube. 2150fps in a 24" 500NE double gives me no reason to want an extra 4" tacked onto the end of the barrel. Same goes for my 577NE shooting the 750gr bullet at 2110fps. I don't need more speed than that so I don't need the extra steel.

It was asked that if 24" is good, is 22" better; and if 22" is good is 20" better, and so on. Well, if 28" is good, is 30" better, and if 30" is good is 32" better? I think the answer any particular shooter gives is based purely on how the gun looks assuming two things: 1) that the proper velocity can be achieved for the caliber and 2) the gun is built with proper balance in regards to the barrel fitted to it.

As always however, YMMV!!

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Always good Michael to hear from someone with no axe to grind, no financial or other interest at stake to shade or color their views.

Mike

Excellent, I concur with you 100%. Please tell me, as you insinuate, What Financial Gain, or axe to grind, or other interest that I personally might have, that would shade or color my view?

Michael

My apologies. I obviously have you confused with the Michael that "conceived" a line of cartridges designed for "a short handy rifle" who "[f]rom time to time" has "rifles on hand for sale". The internet can be so confusing at times. Obviously, I was mistaken.

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My apologies. I obviously have you confused with the Michael that "conceived" a line of cartridges designed for "a short handy rifle" who "[f]rom time to time" has "rifles on hand for sale". The internet can be so confusing at times. Obviously, I was mistaken.

Oh no, you have it right! But you just don't tell all the story, just the part that suits you!

For more real details, see below!

This from the B&M Website Page--About Us!

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As stated above all rifles are built by SSK Industries. You are free to contact them direct and they can handle your rifle from beginning to end, and have access to all the dies, load data, and brass. Quality Cartridge can manufacture you proper head stamped brass, and RCBS or Hornady have all the dies in which you may buy direct should you desire. For your convenience I have dies and brass on hand for all the cartridges that are available at the time.

SSK Industries http://sskindustries.com/

I personally am not in the gun business and don’t want to be. I am a shooter, hand loader, and hunter, the same as you. I developed these rifles and cartridges because of a personal need for something to satisfy my needs and objectives, and I have been extremely successful and lucky in the B&M adventure, and it is my desire to share it with other shooters and hunters. From time to time I will also have rifles on hand for sale, but these must go to an FFL Dealer for legal transfer. These are for your convenience should you decide to go that route. Elite Tactical Sales here in Myrtle Beach will handle the transfer from this end to your dealer should you decide to purchase one of the available rifles I have on hand.

This section can be found on the "Rifles Available" page, again, B&M Website.

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It has been brought to my attention that this page, "Rifles for Sale" is somewhat a contradiction to my statements about NOT "being in the firearms business". And without proper clarification I can see how that might be viewed. As with other items specific to the B&M Rifles and Cartridges these rifles are done for your convenience should you choose not to go through the process of building your own. In addition, I like working with the rifles and instead of having just base rifles on hand for you to build from, sometimes I might choose to have some built. Some of the rifles listed below I have more invested in than what the sale price is, not a real good business practice, if it were a business. Dies, brass, bullets, load data, pressure data, and rifles are kept on hand at my expense for those who choose to have B&M rifles. Profit from this is not the objective, the objective is for you to be successful in the field with these rifles and cartridges, and for you to have everything needed to do so. If I recover my cost on these, then I am more than satisfied.

As always, should you choose to build direct with SSK Industries, that pleases me just as well. The dies, brass, bullets, load data and everything is available to you just the same. For those who would rather have a custom stock, Wes and Patrick at Accurate Innovations will take very good care of you as well. They already have all the standard measurements for all the B&M rifles and know exactly how to get them right. I will also be just as available to you for assistance with anything if you go this route as buying one of these rifles. In many ways I personally would much rather you deal direct with SSK Industries or others involved in the B&M Rifles, it takes me out of the loop of that part of it.

I do these things not for profit, nor even to entertain any future business, but because I believe in the project, I am the proud parent of the project, and of course most of all, I enjoy it. It's that simple.

Now, I am a Forester by profession and own a Company that does Forestry work. The B&M project has cost me many many $1000s of dollars, and continues to do so, and I have yet to make a dime from it, zero. I get no discounts or kick backs from SSK Industries. If I have a rifle built, it costs the same as you getting a rifle built, no difference.

If I decided TODAY to go into the B&M Business--I could sell shit the rest of my life and NEVER get what I have invested back, much less make a profit at it. I could not make enough in the gun business to pay the electric bill here!

So, if you want to tell the story, tell the whole story, not just the part that suits you and your agenda. Hell Jines, you would make a damn find Democrat!

Michael

I have also been accused of being in the bullet business as well. That is not true either, I get nothing from CEB or North Fork, other than BULK DISCOUNT because I buy so much. I buy more bullets in one order than Jines would buy in a year or 10 yrs!

When we first developed the BBW#13s, yet another project I believed in, and wanted to share with you people! But, I knew as expensive as these things are, very few of you would have any special runs of 250-500 bullets made at a time, just to see if they work in your rifle.

So--Michael did the special runs, 250 at a time, in every big bore caliber, for double rifles, bolt guns, lever guns, the works! I tested them, my expense, no one paid for any of this but me! I provided test work to you, my expense, my time, and then I sold these bullets to you ONE BOX at a time, so YOU could try them without spending $300-$400 per special run just to try them! I handled that expense, and you people received them at my cost, and most of the time I forgot to add shipping to it, and it cost me $$ in the end anyway. Oh well, whatever it takes to help folks out.

I had all the big bore bullets listed on a special page on the B&M site, priced per box, and sent out most all of them to various AR pals!

This past week I changed that page on the website, and I no longer have bullets for sale there. Since the BBW#13 is now established, and everyone can order one box from CEB if they wish, or 100 boxes if they wish, I no longer have a need to carry them myself. I only carry the ones that are suitable to MY NEEDS, and the needs of others that have B&M rifles, just in case CEB Or North Fork is short on supply only. I am still stuck with a few .409s for the Nitro guns, which I have zero use for, and a few .620s and .585s--I like the .620s and .585s, so they are not for sale, I just like to look at them so I keep some here! I also give some samples out to some of my buddies when they drop by!

From the Bullets Available Page!

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Before we get started on this page I need to make something very clear to you. As with the "Not Being In the Gun Business" statement, it is also very true I am NOT in the Bullet business either, and there are no plans to be in the bullet business. As with everything else related to the B&M series of rifles and cartridges, this is my "hobby" so to speak, and I very much enjoy doing these things. As with the brass, dies, load data, and other things associated with the B&M cartridges I do plan on keeping bullets designed for the B&M's on hand and available to you. I use them in the field on my own hunting trips as well. I have them because of the performance levels they take the cartridges to. Therefore, you have them as well.

Now that Cutting Edge Bullets and North Fork Technologies have been well tested in the field, and are now very well established as the top end Dangerous Game Bullets, it has come time that I reduce inventory to only what I maintain for the B&M rifles and cartridges. In the past, you have seen below the bullets along with the prices. I am changing this somewhat to what bullets are recommended for each of the B&M cartridges, and all bullets are available through Cutting Edge or North Fork. Of course, in emergencies should you require a particular bullet for a hunt and it is not immediately available, then if I have it in stock, any B&M owner is welcome to what I have in stock at the time.

So, all you people that think I am just in the gun business, or the bullet business, and this is my reasons for doing the things I do--Well, Make No Mistake about what I have to say next, understand it under no uncertain terms--You Can Kiss My Rosy Red Hairy Ass! And I PROMISE you those words are not even close to what I want to say! But, being a public forum, I am keeping my fingers from typing what I wish too say to your damned face!

I don't know how to be any more clear than that.

Michael

As Queen Gertrude said in Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Now, I ain't finished with you yet either--Meaning only those folks that would like to think
B&M or bullets is a business!

We will have a booth this year in Dallas, DSC---C570, right next to CEB, a row or two away from North Fork, and behind our buddy Paul Truccolo from Australia.

Here you can see the B&M rifles in person, play with them all you want. There won't be any of them with price tags, as all will be my PERSONAL RIFLES--And they ARE NOT FOR SALE TO ANYONE. You can't buy them, they are mine!

We have a booth because We Want to Have One! A place that myself, family and all my AR pals can come, sit down, drink beer, and tell lies, play with rifles, and look at bullets, talk bullets, talk rifles and have a good visit! There won't be rifles for sale.

But, there will be T'Shirts there, for sale too! I never said shit about not being in the "T'Shirt" business!

Problem is, I have already given enough T'Shirts away, that if I doubled or tripled the price of what is left I would not recover the cost of what I have in them??? Well, no worries, both my boys are in College, both in business, if we can just make it until they get out without going broke and me giving everything away!

So if you got balls big enough to come visit with me in Dallas, then that's where I will be, come accuse me of some shit there if you want! I won't be hard to find, most folks know me! Then if you want to come by and have a beer, that will work too, either way!

Michael

MJines

Have I ever tried to sell you anything?

Michael

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As Queen Gertrude said in Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Mike

No, I just type faster than you!

At the risk of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong... as one who has been a guest at Michael's house and spent some time shooting with him and seeing what he does, anyone who thinks Michael is in the gun or bullet selling business simply doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't know Michael at all. I remember walking into his gun room and I figured out real quick that rifle and bullets are Michael's passion, not his profession. And if you have the experience to see how he reacts to unexpected results on the range you'll quickly know what I mean.

Michael has gotten a lot of shit on the board for 'pimping' his experiences and the results of his testing for the sake of selling guns and knowing Michael, even as casually as I do, nothing could be further from the truth. Sure, he is outspoken and minces no words. but in my opinion, we need more people like that, not fewer.

I would suggest before anyone accuses Michael of anything, they actually get to know him a bit first. Protesting is one thing, but talking out of your ass about something of which you are ignorant is a whole other ball of wax. I think he's suffered his share of 'slings and arrows', and unjustly in my opinion.

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Originally posted by michael458:
Then if you want to come by and have a beer, that will work too, either way!

Deal, I will even buy.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by michael458:
Then if you want to come by and have a beer, that will work too, either way!

Deal, I will even buy.

MJines

NO Way---I am Buying--And by damned, I look forward to it!

We are going to have a hoot I tell you!


Very Excellent, hell of a lot more fun!

Just think of how much simpler life would be if the Palestinians and the Israelis would just agree to have a beer together. Not many problems in life that cannot be solved with a beer or two . . . or three.

I KNEW it would be worth the popcorn-----

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Not many problems in life that cannot be solved with a beer or two . . . or three.

Mike, absolutely! Now I will be looking out for you, come visit with me, we will have that beer, or two, or............

Cross will be there as well, no telling how many will be consumed by that point, so ya'll best come by early! HEH..........................


That should be enough of the hi jack of the thread, so if you boys want to continue to talk about barrel lengths, you may proceed. It appears that Mike and I will no longer be a source of entertainment, at least until after the beers! Hell you can't buy this kind of entertainment anywhere, ain't AR a great place!




Michael

With all this talk about beer sounds like things may get a little rowdy in the adjoining booth.

I may have to keep a stick handy just to keep things under control.

Oh, and don't worry I'll make sure that stick is no longer than 20"

Wouldn't want it to catch on the drapes or anything !

I prefer a longer stick, you get a higher impact to swing speed ratio and . . . . .

Not going to Dallas or I'd buy a round for you scrawny weaklings. Barley malt builds strength.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Not going to Dallas or I'd buy a round for you scrawny weaklings. Barley malt builds strength.

Dang! Missing out on a free beer! Well, you must make a plan for next year maybe! In the meantime, I will keep trying to "build some Strength" based on your advice! HEH............

Michael

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With all this talk about beer sounds like things may get a little rowdy in the adjoining booth.

LOL.......I think maybe that is why they put you and I in the back away from everyone else!

I'll bring bandages.....

Damn,

Just when I though we were gonna have a UFC style throwdown, this love fest breaks out. Reminds me a bit of Obama's beer summits!

Where have all the hard charging, smack talking, friend fighting (because they're the only ones available and we need a good fight just for the sport of it), manly men gone? Oh how I long for the days when the beer drinking make up session only came after a thorough pummeling. Move along peeps, they's nutin to see here!

Anyway, looking forward to DSC. I'll gladly drink a free beer with both of ya! For that matter, I'll drink a free beer with just about anybody!!

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With all this talk about beer sounds like things may get a little rowdy in the adjoining booth.

Only aussies get rowdy on mere beer--



us southern boys drink shine (or "PIE") to get feel in good

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Where have all the hard charging, smack talking, friend fighting (because they're the only ones available and we need a good fight just for the sport of it), manly men gone? Oh how I long for the days when the beer drinking make up session only came after a thorough pummeling. Move along peeps, they's nutin to see here!

The Mere Mention of "BEER" changes everything!

Todd, absolutely looking forward to DSC and all of us sitting around having that beer together!


Sean, I have packing things this morning, you have more stuff coming. Wonder if I could put a couple of quart jars in with those T'Shirts? Hmmmmmm? I hate to take chance on loosing my pie however!!!! If I were driving, I would be sneaking pie in--no doubt about that! Looks like you could get some Texas Pie for us??? Damn, that would be good! I'd rather sip pie all day than drink beer even!

Boys, I have to tell you, there is nothing like this apple pie and this new blueberry pie I have here! NOTHING---Not even the Goose can compete with it! G'Almighty its good stuff!

M

Put it in plastic jars and it should travel good--

I should have some arkansas base there also.

Send everything on, am ready for it.

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Originally posted by michael458:
[QUOTE]Where have all the hard charging, smack talking, friend fighting (because they're the only ones available and we need a good fight just for the sport of it), manly men gone? Oh how I long for the days when the beer drinking make up session only came after a thorough pummeling. Move along peeps, they's nutin to see here!

The Mere Mention of "BEER" changes everything!

Todd, absolutely looking forward to DSC and all of us sitting around having that beer together!


Sean, I have packing things this morning, you have more stuff coming. Wonder if I could put a couple of quart jars in with those T'Shirts? Hmmmmmm? I hate to take chance on loosing my pie however!!!! If I were driving, I would be sneaking pie in--no doubt about that! Looks like you could get some Texas Pie for us??? Damn, that would be good! I'd rather sip pie all day than drink beer even!

Boys, I have to tell you, there is nothing like this apple pie and this new blueberry pie I have here! NOTHING---Not even the Goose can compete with it! G'Almighty


You take all the apple pie you want, i got more here for you!

I'm coming to DSC for all four days, essentially to spend time with Michael, drink beer, talk story and meet Sean, Todd, Brent and so many other "friends" I've made through this thread.

I think we might have to have our own B&M dinner. We should all be able to make it, after all that beer, as long as nobody steps on our fingers as we exit the convention center!

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I choose to be a dinosaur when it comes to hunting dangerous game. I will largely stick to cartridges, bullets, etc. that have "been there, done that" for decades. Perhaps when some of the new cartridges and bullets can make that claim, I will become a convert. In the mean time I am content to allow others to be the guinea pigs and for me to be labeled unenlightened and archaic.

Mike

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Okay, I have to call bullsh*t on that. The military selects rifles largely on the basis of what is as close to idiot proof as is possible for the lowest common denominator enlisted man. The notion that they are selecting battle rifles on the basis of what the best equipment out there is . . . is . . . well misguided.

Hey, hunt with whatever you want, use a rifle with a 16" barrel for all I care, but don't try to create the false impression that shorter rifles are in some way superior for dangerous game hunting.

Mike

Mike Jines,

First, I could care less what YOU decide to hunt with, or not. I don't care if you want to carry a 62 inch barrel 50 BMG that weighs in at 35 lbs. If that is what you want to do, fine and dandy with me, but do not dare tell me, that this is "Superior" in some way for day in, day out, "Dangerous Game Hunting!"

You are trapped inside the box. Problem is, your box does not even have any windows in it for you to be able to look out, even for a second. Your box is so darkened by your worry about being a guinea pig, that you have chosen to close your eyes to any other opinion, or in this case, experience.

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use a rifle with a 16" barrel for all I care, but don't try to create the false impression that shorter rifles are in some way superior for dangerous game hunting.

Now do tell us exactly how you can possibly make that statement? Have you in fact hunted with a 16-18 inch barrel big bore rifle, for Dangerous Game? From your statements, somehow I don't believe you have, maybe I am wrong, please enlighten me if that is the case.

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Okay, I have to call bullsh*t on that. The military selects rifles largely on the basis of what is as close to idiot proof as is possible for the lowest common denominator enlisted man.

I have to take some offense to this statement as well! From this I take it you believe that our boys, that die for you, that put their lives on the line, every f*****g day, are somehow idiots that cannot possibly have any knowledge as to how to run their rifles? Or what might be needed in a house clearing in downtown Baghdad? Do you think those boys doing CQB in downtown are going in with 26 inch barreled rifles? Do you believe they don't know or have a clue as to what they need for a CQB Mission?

With you just being a "Tourist" Dangerous Game Hunter, murdering things at long range, 25-50 yards, then your big, long barreled, rifles are just dandy for that, no argument, and don't give a damn either way. But I am here to tell you, and call full on BullShit, in no uncertain terms, and no misunderstanding, that when you are laying on your back and an elephant is charging 3 steps away, or you are 6 ft away from a pissed off bear in very close quarters, or you are 4-5 yards away from a buffalo getting ready to bust your chops, or possibly in dense brush with a buffalo 5 yards away, waiting on you, or you are on your hands and knees crawling because the brush is so thick that elephant cannot be seen from 8-10 yds away, or you have a hippo charging that is taken at 6 steps, then that short barreled little rifle handles far far far superior, it is far faster on target, it is easier to maneuver in tight quarters, it is easier to get through thick brush without snagging that long snout on every branch or thorn bush. To believe otherwise is folly, and inexperience with proper techniques and firearms handling.

Mike, again, I could care less what you hunt with, it is nothing to me, I don't care. But, in no way, do you presume to tell me, for my purposes, for my hunting, that I or anyone else with experience is giving "False Impressions", or that our boys in the trenches are idiots! I think you might have made a poor choice of wording.

As for the "Military" reference to chosen firearms, the best analogy for this is "CQB" situations, which has become the norm in these trying times we live in.

Do not misunderstand my statements above. I know what works for me. If what works for me does not suit you, or does not work for you, I don't care! It means nothing to me, its no skin off my ass, you can do what suits you, what works for you, does not bother me in the least. What I do is different than most folks anyway, you can choose how you please.

Michael

Yeah there is always someone who thinks he knows more than everyone else....Even when he is wrong.

I am often wrong but rarely in doubt.

Drinking and fighting. I am there and will be armed with the bolt from my CZ. It is about 12" long and weighs about four pounds, classified as a deadly weapon in some states.

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You take all the apple pie you want, i got more here for you!

Brent--My Hero! I think I have it figured out! One of the shipments I send to Sean, will put in my canteen, and my Flask from Henry some special blends, and send to Sean! Sean then pitches up with the "Stuff", and we have it! Problem is, Apple Pie is over 1/2 gone now! But, still have other blends to work with as well! HEH HEH.................

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I'm coming to DSC for all four days, essentially to spend time with Michael, drink beer, talk story and meet Sean, Todd, Brent and so many other "friends" I've made through this thread.

I think we might have to have our own B&M dinner. We should all be able to make it, after all that beer, as long as nobody steps on our fingers as we exit the convention center!

Me too Mike, exactly why I am coming, exactly why we have a booth this year! B&M Dinner, count me in. I think Momma has some big plan on Wed, not sure exactly what that is, Maybe Thursday? Have to check. Then Friday, AR dinner. So that leaves two openings to make a plan, I think.

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I am often wrong but rarely in doubt.

Mike

Not going there, that is finished and done! Beer drinking time!

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Drinking and fighting. I am there and will be armed with the bolt from my CZ. It is about 12" long and weighs about four pounds, classified as a deadly weapon in some states.

Mike

Leave it to you to finally find proper use for a CZ! Congratulations! I don't think there is anything to worry about as long as the beer is flowing! But, I would keep it close, in your pocket, just in case the beer runs out! Could be trouble then!

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Yeah there is always someone who thinks he knows more than everyone else....Even when he is wrong.

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Drinking and fighting. I am there and will be armed with the bolt from my CZ. It is about 12" long and weighs about four pounds, classified as a deadly weapon in some states.

Mike

Leave it to you to finally find proper use for a CZ! Congratulations! I don't think there is anything to worry about as long as the beer is flowing! But, I would keep it close, in your pocket, just in case the beer runs out! Could be trouble then!

Ouch! From a CZ owner ...

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Ouch! From a CZ owner ...

No offense intended!