A 470 Ruger would be sweeeeet! But, seems a lot of companies are worred about straying from the basic calibers. Even when they DO venture to try something different, we the shooting community, rip into them. Last time this happened, the 325wsm...Winny caught flack for introducing something that wasnt a 30 or 33.

Plus, that would mean we'd need a good selection of 475 bullets

The .375 Ruger to me is like taking the various mid-velocity .338 - .366 rounds and making them better - I can only imagine how nicely a 250-270gr. bullet with reasonably high BC (260gr Accubond?) would hammer big elk and moose with reasonable trajectory.

Taking this thing to the next level is only logical. Ruger has a good thing in the .375, now if they can make the .416 in the same packages (Alaskan and African) for the same price, I think they'll sell well.

If they do sell well and the market indicates going larger yet again will pay off, I'm willing to bet a .458 Ruger wouldn't be too far behind. .470 caliber would be unlikely IMO, just as .423 caliber was passed up for the .416 - more popular for the general shooting public.

Wonder how easy it would be to rechamber a .458 Winchester Magnum to .458 Ruger, as easy as reaming it out? Same bolt face, same diameter with the belt, should still feed fine, OAL is the same but case length is slightly longer would a .458 Ruger "clean up" a WM chamber I wonder?

MikeyB,
The '458Ruger' would need to be based off a new case. Hornady via their custom dies shop has seen the 458AR often enough now. This is the cartridge that can make Ruger a contender in the 'stopper rifle' field using their standard length action. 2+1 with just a barrel fitted.
But you reckon Ruger can stock them to hold up?
Cheers...
Con

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Originally posted by FOOBAR:
I have a 416 Taylor I like very much...

I won't rechamber my Taylor but if I were building a 416 cal today I would go with the 416 Ruger and have the best of all worlds.

Ditto!

I might add the 416R though, if I like the rifle and have the funds available at the time.

any idea when ruger or hornady will anounce it on the web sites?I bet rifles won't be available for months.

I'm sure the .416 Ruger Hawkeyes will be flooding into Kentucky as soon as Ruger will ship them.

Steve Hornady killed his hippo with one shot, then killed the very shootable lion that was feeding on hippo meat bait. One shot from the .416 Ruger was plenty lion medicine. Of course Steve then put 2 more shots into the prostrate lion carcass.

One insurance shot would have been plenty of overkill, but apparently because the .416 Ruger in stainless/synthetic Hawkeye Alaskan is so much fun to shoot, he poured in an extra shot on the dead lion. That is my take from seeing the Tracks Across Africa segment where they introduced the .416 Ruger last week.

I did not see any exit wounds, and wish they would have dug out those Hornady DGX/dangerous game softs to show: "copper-washed, steel-jacketed, lead-cored roundnose softpoints."

I am not sure, but it looks like the barrel of the .416 Ruger might be one contour heavier than the .375 Ruger factory rifle. Maybe a 5 instead of a 4. That would be a good thing for balance and not getting too light for the masses.

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One insurance shot would have been plenty of overkill, but apparently because the .416 Ruger in stainless/synthetic Hawkeye Alaskan is so much fun to shoot, he poured in an extra shot on the dead lion. That is my take from seeing the Tracks Across Africa segment where they introduced the .416 Ruger last week.

I did not see any exit wounds, and wish they would have dug out those Hornady DGX/dangerous game softs to show: "copper-washed, steel-jacketed, lead-cored roundnose softpoints."

The PH recommended both insurance shots. I could see the first being a good idea even though the lion looked to be flattened by the first shot. Not sure about the second.

At the start of the show they talked about how they thought they would recover some bullets but no joy. Maybe next week?

Charles,
I must be going deaf. I did not hear the PH telling Steve to shoot again and again at the motionless lion. I'll go fast forward the DVR to the kill scene and turn up the volume.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Charles,
I must be going deaf. I did not hear the PH telling Steve to shoot again and again at the motionless lion. I'll go fast forward the DVR to the kill scene and turn up the volume.

I already deleted it. If it is not as I remember, feel free to heap scorn upon me.

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Originally posted by Con:
MikeyB,
The '458Ruger' would need to be based off a new case. Hornady via their custom dies shop has seen the 458AR often enough now. This is the cartridge that can make Ruger a contender in the 'stopper rifle' field using their standard length action. 2+1 with just a barrel fitted.
But you reckon Ruger can stock them to hold up?
Cheers...
Con

Rugady would probably go 500 @ 2400 with the 458 AR so how bout a new stronger stock design for the whole line of African rifles please Anyone at Ruger listening

Turned the volume up. The PH was indeed coaching plenty of insurance: "BOOM ... shoot him at the base of the neck ... BOOM ... hit him again hit him again ... BOOM"
Something like that, which makes for PH long life and prosperity.

Looked like an illuminated Leupold 1.5-5X 30mm/Euro scope, and that muzzle diameter does look a little fatter on the .416 Ruger than the .375 Ruger.

Maybe they have beefed up the stocks too. All it would take is proper epoxy/glass bedding, crossbolts, pillars, and a grip bolt on the African walnut, and a full aluminum alloy bedding block in the synthetic.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Turned the volume up. The PH was indeed coaching plenty of insurance: "BOOM ... shoot him at the base of the neck ... BOOM ... hit him again hit him again ... BOOM"
Something like that, which makes for PH long life and prosperity.

And just a little more work for the taxidermist.

What's the saying? Easier for the taxidermist to sew up the holes in the lion's skin than for the doctor to sew up the holes in yours?

where can this video be seen, I can't find anything on the release of the 416 ruger

thanks

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Originally posted by canam:
where can this video be seen, I can't find anything on the release of the 416 ruger

thanks

This week's episode of Tracks Across Africa.

I have seen Lions that didn't get a first shot in the right spot get pumped full of adrenaline and trust me nothing but a brain or spine shot will kill them, same with buffalo and I don't care how big your gun is...and its good to keep on shooting dangerous game if you want to grow old and sip your scotch in your trophy room with the grandkids and tell them of daring deeds done!

chuck,
By way of explanation to your question,I suspect the reason for less production of the really big bores from the Lott on up has to do with recoil and its correlation to sales..

Most folks just don't want to deal with the grim side of that kind of recoil..I have hunted as much as anyone and I don't like that kind of recoil..I can shoot those big guns but I just don't enjoy it..This is bound to have something to do with sales and the bottom line is sales.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
they will make great donor guns for 416 AR rechambering

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Boomstick ,, you need help

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
.416 Ruger...whats wrong with the Rigbys.416cal??
.375 Ruger..whats wrong with .375 H&H??
338 Federal..whats wrong with .333 jeffery??
.300magblast...whats wrong with .300 H&H??
35 Whelen...whats wrong with 9.3 mauser?

Just at 12 hours,

Thank you jens.

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Just wanted to add 2 days after this thread started, I got an email from my gunsmith. The 1903 action we were going to do a 9.3x62mm on he now REALLY wants to build a 416 Ruger. I'm always happy to oblige a friend who give sme great prices and thinks along the same lines as me. Once my custom ultralight is finished (he's got a stock design in mind using a H-S, but along the lines of the kifaru rifles) and if the reamers are available, a 416 Ruger will hopefully be mine before too long

my personal 416 AR is on a 1903... love it

Got any pics jeffe?

On the left.

Looks like a 416 Ruger was official in 1991??

http://www.ammo-one.com/416Ruger.html

White Bison, I, and other Newton fans campaigned for Hornaday to revive the fine old Newton cartridges before the .375 Ruger was introduced. Steve Hornady politely declined. I asked Steve at the NRA Annual Meeting in May if the Newton influenced the design of this new family of cartridges and he told me that Ruger came to them looking for new calibers to stimulate rifle sales, thus the .375 and now .416 Ruger. Both are essentially the Newton case with the shoulder pushed forward, a straighter body, and different diameter bullets, but they also have modern propellants that match the velocities of their classic predecessors in a short barrel. I will stick with my .35 Newton and .416 Rigby, but I applaud Ruger and Hornady for these fine cartridges and rifles. These present another option for riflemen, but now I also have a good supply of modern brass to form Newton cartridges.

I wouldn't want the Ruger case necked up more than 458 and not fond of that idea..I think that .423 is the most I will go...Apparantly I like a bit more shoulder than some of you.

A .470 as suggested would be a straight case or maybe more is my guess...I will do some measuring and see what it will be.

Good point Ray, and you're probably right. Especially without a belt, might not be enough shoulder to really be safe.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I wouldn't want the Ruger case necked up more than 458 and not fond of that idea..I think that .423 is the most I will go...Apparantly I like a bit more shoulder than some of you.

A .470 as suggested would be a straight case or maybe more is my guess...I will do some measuring and see what it will be.

Interesting. A .375 Ruger case necked up to .458 would have the same amount of shoulder as the 10.75x68.

I don't understand all this talk about the 375 and 416 Ruger being equivalent to other rounds in a short action. They still take a 30/06 length action and both Remington and Winchester have no problem fitting H&H rounds in there actions. It seems that Ruger is the only one having problems fitting them in there actions.

Plus all the velocities on the RM rounds are made up with Harnadys magical powder so those of us who reload will not be able to duplicate the listed velocities.