Im sitting here watching guns and ammo tv and they are showing the .416 ruger with a production rifle. I thought I would just pass this along if it had not already been talked about.

they will make great donor guns for 416 AR rechambering

officialized properly-just got done watching it myself and field trialed in Africa-with great results....of course.

With the 416 Rigby charging hard, the 416 Remington is not a factory offering in N.A. and not much from the 416 Webbie, in a proper weighted rifle, maybe it'll find a niche.

Kinda makes one wonder if they plan on phasing out the RSM, you guys think so??

THE .416 RUGER IS OFFICIAL?????????

THAT'S ONE MORE PRAYER THAT'S BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!

This is THE .416 caliber/rifle I've been waiting on(controlled feed,.30-06 action, 400 gr @ 2400 fps, trim package, too sweet!). Are they offering it in the Hawkeye African model, Alaskan model or both? I hope they do it in both models.

Nothing new on Ruger's website....YET.

I'm HAPPY!!!!!

YEP FELLAS....SHE WILL BE MINE!!!!

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Originally posted by .366torque:
With the 416 Rigby charging hard, the 416 Remington is not a factory offering in N.A. and not much from the 416 Webbie, in a proper weighted rifle, maybe it'll find a niche.

Kinda makes one wonder if they plan on phasing out the RSM, you guys think so??

I hope they keep the RSM....AND....add the .500 A2 or maybe the .500 Mbogo. While they are at it they should add the .470 Capstick or the .470 Mbogo too. The RSM is a big rifle and should be chambered in big calibers that make big holes. The Hawkeye can handle the .375's & .416's (and hopefully a .404 Ruger cal too!!) while the RSM chambers the .458-.510" big bore stoppers.

That's just my .02.

Sorry guys but I have to be the first here to say that. If it isn't a .416 Rigby it isn't worth the gun powder it burns.

Only proven English designed cartridges are capable of killing big game. Modern cartridges such as the .416 Ruger will simply not do in any and all circumstances due to the lack panache and class with anything designed after 1912.

Of course I'm joking but I promise you we will see a very similar post to this within weeks if not days.



In all seriousness I think the Hawkeye African in .416 Ruger is going to be a winner.

Today's Tracks Across Africa showed Steve Hornady testing one out on hippo and lion.
It looked like he had a Alaskan model.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
they will make great donor guns for 416 AR rechambering

Run that past us again Boom.

For those who reload the larger capacity of the 416 AR will be better for getting the Rigby performance at reasonable preasure without the Hornady proprietary powders with the 416 AR having a slight capacity advantage over the 416 Remington Magnum.

I have said it before the 416 Ruger is the best factory round to come out since the 404 Jeffery.

Long live both

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Originally posted by .366torque:

the 416 Remington is not a factory offering in N.A....

au contraire my friend. CZ is now offering the .416 Remington in the Safari Classics line.

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Originally posted by srshooter:
THE .416 RUGER IS OFFICIAL?????????

THAT'S ONE MORE PRAYER THAT'S BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!

This is THE .416 caliber/rifle I've been waiting on(controlled feed,.30-06 action, 400 gr @ 2400 fps, trim package...

OUCH!

While it might have a place on paper, the sucess of this calibre will be based on brass supply

In Australia, the 375 Ruger would be a hell of a lot more popular if you could get brass and loaded ammunition easier

The calibre will be dead in the water unless Hornady flood the place with good quality ammo and components

regards
S&F

Why in the world would you want a 416 when you can have the most practical African caliber of all,the 458Lott?

I have one for sale on this very forum, cept I made it, comes with dies and brass and some loaded test ammo..Africa ready..

Short and Fat,
Brass and ammo is readily available for the .375 Ruger in the USA, so it should be a matter of YOUR dealers purchasing it..or you could purchase it direct.

Shootaway,
As to the 458 Lott, that has little to do with this thread, this one is about the .416 and many folks prefer it to the heavy recoiling 458 Lott..like me for instance!

.416 Ruger...whats wrong with the Rigbys.416cal??
.375 Ruger..whats wrong with .375 H&H??
338 Federal..whats wrong with .333 jeffery??
.300magblast...whats wrong with .300 H&H??
35 Whelen...whats wrong with 9.3 mauser?

The Rigby cartridge is more versatile an can perform at lower pressures, but the new Ruger will be available at reasonable price in such a trim factory package that I suspect it will do very well.

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
.416 Ruger...whats wrong with the Rigbys.416cal??
.375 Ruger..whats wrong with .375 H&H??
338 Federal..whats wrong with .333 jeffery??
.300magblast...whats wrong with .300 H&H??
35 Whelen...whats wrong with 9.3 mauser?

Agree!
Chambered in cheap rifles of low quality...

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Agree!
Chambered in cheap rifles of low quality...

huh?

What's wrong with CHOICE?????

I have a 416 Taylor I like very much...I could have built a Rem or Rigby instead...I could rechamber my Taylor to the Rem anytime I want, but why???...The Rigby and Rems are excellent propositions (in ALL their iterations), but that doesn't mean they're for everyone.

I won't rechamber my Taylor but if I were building a 416 cal today I would go with the 416 Ruger and have the best of all worlds.

For the most part yesteryear was very nice, but today is now and I think the 416 Ruger's design incorporates all the latest information and neotechtricks...but if you are into nostalgia, go with one of the "elder statesmen" and be happy, but keep out of the way of the "younger statespersons" or you'll get run over.

I'm building a 458 WM right now...just for kicks and for nostalgia of a sorts...400 gr at 2100 will handle anything I point it at.

My Taylor does 2400 with a 400 g if I push it just a bit, but 2300 is easier on the gun and me and 350 gr is even better...for plinking at least. I have a 375 H&H I built for nostalgia, but I could just as easily waited a few months and chambered the 375 Ruger or any number of wildcat 375 cals and NOT fulfilled a dream of having an H&H. I also have a 45-70 I was going to rechamber to 45-120 but after a fairly long period of reflecting decided against it...it might get a 45-90 or 45-100 chamber so it will equal a 458 Lott.

As I said earlier..."What's the matter with choice"? This world would be a pretty dull place it everyone drove Chevy's, drank Bud or JD, and only had a 30-06 to shoot, even though none of them have anything wrong with them...argumentatively.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

the 416 Remington is not a factory offering in N.A....

au contraire my friend. CZ is now offering the .416 Remington in the Safari Classics line.

I stand corrected, thanks for the info.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Short and Fat,
Brass and ammo is readily available for the .375 Ruger in the USA, so it should be a matter of YOUR dealers purchasing it..or you could purchase it direct.

Ray,
Unfortunately its more of a case of Hornady filling in their orders to Australia. The 375Ruger and currently RCM's are not readily available here as components or ammunition and Hornady wont ship them despite being ordered months ago. Case in point ... RCM loaded ammunition, cases and dies were ordered for a 10Sept delivery, it may have arrived now (rumour was it was pushed back into Oct) and nothing but loaded ammunition apparently in the shipment. People have been sitting on rifles for months unable to use them!

Ruger and Hornady are making a great effort to kill their cartridges right at inception. If the 375Ruger, RCM's and 416Ruger (like the 450Marlin) become nothing more than US oddities, they have nobody but themselves to blame. Can't find ammunition in Australia, hate to think what the situation will be like in Africa.
Cheers...
Con
PS: Anyone want to lay bets a special run of Remington 416's may emerge. Remington's done it with the 375H&H in the SPS line, might be time for them to run some SPS 416's and kill Ruger/Hornady at the starting line.

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Ruger and Hornady are making a great effort to kill their cartridges right at inception. If the 375Ruger, RCM's and 416Ruger (like the 450Marlin) become nothing more than US oddities, they have nobody but themselves to blame. Can't find ammunition in Australia, hate to think what the situation will be like in Africa.
Cheers...
Con

A bit strange this, cause here in my remote spot on top of the world, both loaded ammo and loading components are readily aviable for the 375 Ruger.
Compare Norway to Australia, we must represent just a fraction of the selling potential?

Are you sure that Ruger / Hornady are to blame in this case ?

Arild,
In Australia we have the situation where Ruger rifles and Hornady products are not handled by the same importer. So the rifles can appear relatively quickly, ammunition can be a dog's breakfast in arriving.
The 375Ruger ammunition appeared here a matter of months after rifles landed ... didn't help those that bought them and then had to sit and wait. Cases are still not easily available, but they're here. From memory, 450Marlin was the same, people bought rifles and atleast some ammunition was available. People had to go a few months with a rifle and not enough ammunition to properly sight it in. The RCM rifles have been here for months, ammunition may just have landed. The RCM's I've followed closely as I've wildcatted the 300RCM case and have ordered a reamer. Two importers of Hornady locally, one has chosen to ignore it totally. The other placed an order for dies, ammunition, cases ... was then notified that only ammunition has been shiped. Little 'free' ammunituion will be available, as they'll dole it out to those that back-ordered it when the rifles arrived ... which is fair enough. On one Australian forum, a member went through the paperwarfare hassles to import 338RCM cases from the States ... he'll have them earlier than the official importer.
Maybe our importer doesn't deal with Hornady direct so it may not be Hornady's fault ... but the way their product is being handled is a disgrace from my point of view. What do they say: "Never get between a new gun and an eager enthusiast" The fires for the new rifles/cartridges are cold before the ammunition even arrives here!
Cheers...
Con

YAAWWWWWNNNNN . . . .

I, for one, am down with this. I fired a .375 Ruger Alaskan and thought to myself "If this was only a .416"...

I'll buy it.

(And then I'll download it and use it to cap deer. And then I'll hot it up for squirrels and gophers. Although for Gopher's I'd still want BoomStick backing me up!)

Well, I'm kinda interested in another medium calibre. Not that I need another .416. Might be a good a deer round! (I figure if it will kill a buff or an elepahnt, it will kill a deer, at least that's my philosophy).

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
.416 Ruger...whats wrong with the Rigbys.416cal??
.375 Ruger..whats wrong with .375 H&H??
338 Federal..whats wrong with .333 jeffery??
.300magblast...whats wrong with .300 H&H??
35 Whelen...whats wrong with 9.3 mauser?

Just at 12 hours,

Thank you jens.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Why in the world would you want a 416 when you can have the most practical African caliber of all,the 458Lott?

Apparently the .458 lott has to short of a barrel life to be of any use to the serious shooter. I read about it on the internet. So it must be true.

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Originally posted by surestrike:

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
Why in the world would you want a 416 when you can have the most practical African caliber of all,the 458Lott?

Apparently the .458 lott has to short of a barrel life to be of any use to the serious shooter. I read about it on the internet. So it must be true.

John

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
.416 Ruger...whats wrong with the Rigbys.416cal??
.375 Ruger..whats wrong with .375 H&H??
338 Federal..whats wrong with .333 jeffery??
.300magblast...whats wrong with .300 H&H??
35 Whelen...whats wrong with 9.3 mauser?

1. Ruger can be made on cheaper more available actions and burn less powder for similar results
2. Same as above
3. 333 bullets and Jeff brass are rare in the states, 338 bullets in a wide range of weights and construction and price, are available everywhere, cases are a dime a dozen if you use .308 brass.
4. 300 H&H has to be handloaded to achieve what any other 300 mag can do on EXTREMELY common and available ammo. Reloading components are cheaper, brass is cheaper, factory rifles and suitable actions are as common as weeds.
5. Brass is cheaper, lots of good everyday as well as premium bullets. 9.3's in the states seem to be mostly premiums.

Its an American company, I'm sure mostly aimed at American shooters...so chamber to whats going to do best here.

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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:
1. Ruger can be made on cheaper more available actions and burn less powder for similar results

MHS,
The above could be Ruger's No1 problem. Why buy factory when a S/H Ruger with magnum bolt-face, a 416cal A&B barrel and a 'smith with a reamer will make you a cheaper rifle?
Cheers...
Con

IMO the .375, 338,300 and now the .416 Ruger is one of the best moves made by a firearms company in years...They are a nice line of calibers on a non belted case, something many folks wanted.

As to whats wrong with the old calibers has noting to do with anything IMO..but I will venture to say that the .416 Rigby is a waste of a big action that should be used for a 500 or 505. If I gotta pack all that bulk then I want a biggie...

My 416/375 fills a void that I like, it is a 20 inch carbine and it equals my .416 Rem in every respect and it does it with a short tube and a short action and a cartridge without a belt, and it handles like a 20 ga. boss. all good points.

I am not going to give up my .416 Rem or my 404 or .375 but I am going to add a little and play with these newbies..

I hope we have not reached a point of stalemate and the populace agrees with Jens because then we will be right where we were 50 years ago when the arms companies would even consider anything new...

I also think they are all good common-sense hunting calibers, unlike the RUM line. The biggest reason is the ease of chambering existing actions with a minimal amount of gunsmithing. The .416 Ruger will be a hot seller- for a big bore.

Does anyone know if they will be using those crappy lightweight stocks they used on the .375 Ruger?

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Originally posted by jbadams66:
Im sitting here watching guns and ammo tv and they are showing the .416 ruger with a production rifle. I thought I would just pass this along if it had not already been talked about.

I saw it on Guns & Ammo tv the other night. It was in the Alaskan package and they said it would soon be available in the Alaskan and African verions of the Hawkeye. So I can only assume the stocks will be the same. I do hope that they have reinforced the wrists and added cross bolts for the 416. They showed Boddington shooting the rifle on G&A and the recoil didn't look to be all that bad. But that's a personal issue with gun fit, etc...

David Walker

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Why in the world would you want a 416 when you can have the most practical African caliber of all,the 458Lott?

Who says you can't have both?
Personally, I've already got a .458 Lott and I love it but the .416 Ruger will be great too. The .416 Ruger can be chambered in a slim, lightweight rifle much more comfortably than the Lott, in my opinion. It could be 2 pounds lighter and still kick noticeably less (I am basing this on my experience with the .416 Remington) and the game will still fall just like with the .416 Rigby and Remmy. The .416 Ruger will make a great choice for anyone wanting to go to Africa for plains game and dangerous game(.404 Ruger would be great too) using only one rifle. The .416 Rigby, .416 Remington, and .458 Lott are all good choices too but the rifles that shoot them are usually heavier and more bulky.

If Ruger and Hornady will really push to get the ammo and components out there, I believe the .416 Ruger can easily become THE African cartridge and the Ruger Hawkeye is a great vessle for it. For me, the .416 Ruger will be a much wanted (if not needed) addition and will certainly fill a niche. Currently, my only "BIG RIFLES" are a .375 H&H, .45-70, .458 Lott, and a .500 A2 in the works. The .416 Ruger will fit in there perfectly but will probably postpone the plans I had for a .600 OK next year, at least for a few months.

The .416 Ruger is the first new production cartridge I've been truly excited about since the .458 Lott was adopted by Ruger and Hornady and Smith & Wesson introduced its .500 Magnum. Ruger and Hornady have really been on the ball lately.......THANKS GUYS, GOOD JOB!!!!

I just hope Ruger will reinforce the stock on the Hawkeye African so I don't have to do it myself.

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Originally posted by rnovi:
I, for one, am down with this. I fired a .375 Ruger Alaskan and thought to myself "If this was only a .416"...

I'll buy it.

(And then I'll download it and use it to cap deer. And then I'll hot it up for squirrels and gophers. Although for Gopher's I'd still want BoomStick backing me up!)

That's exactly how I felt when the .375 Ruger was introduced. It is a good cartridge for sure but I what I really wanted was a .416 Ruger or even a .404 Ruger. That case just seems perfect for .416" and .423" bullets and the Hawkeye is a perfectly trim rifle for cartridges in this power class. Very nice indeed!

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Originally posted by Con:

quote:

Originally posted by MileHighShooter:
1. Ruger can be made on cheaper more available actions and burn less powder for similar results

MHS,
The above could be Ruger's No1 problem. Why buy factory when a S/H Ruger with magnum bolt-face, a 416cal A&B barrel and a 'smith with a reamer will make you a cheaper rifle?
Cheers...
Con

True true, but I kind of meant that from the custom point AND the factory point. Its a lot cheaper for Ruger to use their basic action rather then having to produce and extra large Rigby or H&H action.

On the custom end...while like you said, it would be easy for anyone to have one made, i think the extremely VAST amount of hunters would love custom, but opt for factory rifles. Cheaper too. Unless you get smoking deals on barrels or actions or know a gunsmith who'll hook you up cheap, you're gonna spend over 1000$ easy. If ruger can bring these bad boys in for under that, they'll be golden

I think I understand the enthusiasm for the new Ruger big bores. Available in a 30-06 action length in a good, low cost, well handling rifle. However both rounds (375 Ruger, 416 Ruger) are in areas where there are a selection of good choices already (375 H&H, 375 Weatherby, 375 RUM, 416 Rem, 416 Rigby, 404 Jeffery). I guess I'm wondering why no one's stepped up to fill the 470 gap in bolt action rifles. Yes there's the 470 Capstick (factory ammo available and a very nice but rarely chambered for cartridge) and the 470 Mbogo (wildcat), why isn't there a 470 Rigby (.475 caliber, non wildcat based on the ) or a 475 Jeffery (.488 caliber also based on the Rigby case)? Both rounds would benefit from 550g bullets. A 550g .475 or .488 caliber bullet at 2400 fps would bridge the gap between the 458 Lott and the big 500s and not run into those over 50 cal restrictions that seem to be just around the corner if they're not already here.

Regards,

Chuck