Seems to be alot of these rifles for sale. Anyone know why? Everyone was bragging them up when they came out. I'm curious since I'm thinking about a 416 Ruger.

Where?
Peter.

My best guess is recoil. I bet there were quite a few people who thought they needed a compact, handy big boomer but didn't realize that sub 8lbs rifle was going to kick as hard as it does. To the people who post here its nothing, but to the average joe who hasn't fired anything bigger then a 30-06 or maybe a 300 win mag, its a considerable jump.

The only 2 I have seen for sale in Denver were both for that reason.

Agreed with MileHighShooter!

I think a lot of people were disappointed that matching factory velocities is very hard, much like the Wbees. That was a mistake by Hornady.

I also believe that people quickly figured out it was "new and different", not "new and better". The economy collapsing didn't help much either.

Another footnote in firearms history...

regards,

Rich
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I raised the same question and the thread got locked. I was seeing lots of used guns at Cabela Hartford and two local gun shops. They were all 375. Also saw some new ones on discount at Hartford Cabelas, which I assume are all gone now. Then I saw a used stainless at Cabelas for $300 more than the new black ones. So dont know what gives there.

There seem to be a whole host of issues but really no way to get to the bottom of things. So much emotion and so little reason. It is as if some members of the forum have some personal skin the success of the new Ruger ctgs. Then I admit, I dont like the new loadings with equal emotion.

The three main issues, as I remember, were: recoil, feeding and extraction.

I would not hesitate to take a chance on the gun if I needed it and was offered in a chambering I liked. A handy gun for the price, worse case I got a dud, try to fix it. If no luck - trade it away. I would probably go ahead and buy another until I got one right.

I think it would be quite a cannon, in 458Win loaded with 350 grain bullets. Blow the doors off the 450 Marlin. I wonder if Ruger will ever offer the African in 458?

I was told by an employee in the Cabela's Gun Library they were "refurbished" guns bought from Ruger that were being sold at discounted prices.

There is a limited market for this type of product and it is not difficult to saturate.

I see a lot of used rifles for sale including Rugers, Remingtons, and Winchesters among others.
People change their mind all the time. It does not mean there was something wrong with the initial rifle.
Same as cars. People trade up and down constantly. Because you see a used Mercedes for sale does not mean that model was "bad".

Recoil was most likely the reason. Agree with the comments posted by Milehighshooter.

If I had to pick one bolt action factory rifle for hunting in Alaska the Ruger Alaskan would be it. About the only way it could be improved would be to hold 4 down.

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I was told by an employee in the Cabela's Gun Library they were "refurbished" guns bought from Ruger that were being sold at discounted prices.

That would be quality control problem then? Or good guns used slightly? We had a member post here that he test fired an Alaskan at a gun fair/show. The sample gun and ammo provided by official Ruger sales rep. The gun jammed! Could be a simple debur fix, but not everybody is plugged into this forum. Other problems, involving extraction remain a mystery.

Why here in NE where any 375/416/458 is relatively rare were such a rash of used 375Rugers available? Not just Cabelas, but actually traded back used gun at larger local shops.

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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:
My best guess is recoil. I bet there were quite a few people who thought they needed a compact, handy big boomer but didn't realize that sub 8lbs rifle was going to kick as hard as it does. To the people who post here its nothing, but to the average joe who hasn't fired anything bigger then a 30-06 or maybe a 300 win mag, its a considerable jump.

The only 2 I have seen for sale in Denver were both for that reason.

Agree.

One issue with recoil is there is a big difference between firing a few shots at a rock with "someone else's" rifle as opposed to owning the rifle, trying different ammo, some of which won't shoot etc and etc.

In Australia there are always plenty of 375 H&Hs for sale in "as new condition". Someone in the gun business in Australia once told me the 378 Wby was the most recycled of any calibre, as a proportion of new ones sold.

I've owned and shot 2 different 375 rugers, and 2 different 375 h&h. the recoil is all in the same league. both my 375 rugers had issues that were returned to Ruger multiple times and never fixed, so I gave up on them. I won't go into it too much because a while back I had a huge thread about it. Ruger did put out a lot of bad hawkeyes
at least 2 of those on the selves that are used are my old refurbished ones that may or may not be fixed.

Where are the big Ruger 375 shooters in defense of their babies?

A year ago they were running rampant here telling us all how it was THE only 375 rifle worth owning and that we should all just junk our old decrepit H&H's.

Rich
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Originally posted by MileHighShooter:
My best guess is recoil. I bet there were quite a few people who thought they needed a compact, handy big boomer but didn't realize that sub 8lbs rifle was going to kick as hard as it does. To the people who post here its nothing, but to the average joe who hasn't fired anything bigger then a 30-06 or maybe a 300 win mag, its a considerable jump.

The only 2 I have seen for sale in Denver were both for that reason.

I agree.

Saw the same thing happen a bunch of years ago with 300 Winmag and the 7mm Mag. Both around for a very long time but the gun rags put a big spin on them and sales went through the roof at my local gun shops. Everyone came to deer camp with one or the other and next season - back to the 30-06, 308 and 270 ... and 30-30s and 35 Rems.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Where are the big Ruger 375 shooters in defense of their babies?

A year ago they were running rampant here telling us all how it was THE only 375 rifle worth owning and that we should all just junk our old decrepit H&H's.

Rich
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same story as a couple MONTHS ago, not a year....

it seems lots of folks that buy ANY big bore shoot it once and sell it....

My 2 cents for what it's worth, recoil and availability of ammunition. The guy that sold me A Browning A-Bolt 375 H&H so that he could buy the "new" 375 Ruger has stated that he really doesn't care for the Ruger after the first couple of boxes through the action.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Where are the big Ruger 375 shooters in defense of their babies?

A year ago they were running rampant here telling us all how it was THE only 375 rifle worth owning and that we should all just junk our old decrepit H&H's.

Rich
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I have no love affair with the Ruger 375 but do like the 375 Ruger, the H&H and my favorite is the 375 Wby. The rifle makes the Ruger Alaskan, not the cartridge.
That being said, judging from what I personally see at our local range (Birchwood- 6th or 7th largest outdoor range in the USA) the 375 Ruger is more popular than the H&H.

Same as any .375, most can't handle the recoil and put them away quickly. Any 375 is not easy to shoot, especially off the bench.

Love my Alaskan 375.. Will it replace my Sako Safari H&H??... No, but the Sako is going to be sitting in the safe this August while the Ruger goes with me to Zim as my light rifle..

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Originally posted by MopaneMike:
Love my Alaskan 375.. Will it replace my Sako Safari H&H??... No, but the Sako is going to be sitting in the safe this August while the Ruger goes with me to Zim as my light rifle..

Why?
Not knocking the Ruger because I might have to get one myself at some point if my new love interest (doubles) begins to wane. But why not take the Sako Safarin in 375H&H?

I may have to do some more homework on the .375 Ruger before spending $$$$$.

A major reason for them being sold is the economy and lack of reloading skills/equipment.

Heck, my Ruger 375 took 4 rounds to get on bullseye and it does cloverleafs. I haven't had a single problem with it and it handles well in the field with the short barrel. I have no regrets. Now I haven't shot anything but factory ammo, so once I get to the point of reloading I might have some adjustments, but for now with a stash of factory ammo, I am a happy camper with the Ruger.

both my rugers were very accurate, printing most everything at 1" or under at 100 yards. I think the ruger could be a great cartridge, but they just need to get the bugs worked out of those rifles that are bad. I don't understand how they produced my 338 on the same platform and had zero issues, but with the 375 ruger, I was getting a sticky bolt in both and feeding problems in 1, but sub MOA in both. Plenty of other's have had nothing but awsome results, while some have had ongoing issues with their rifles.

Two of my friends own a gun store, and you'd be amazed at the number of large caliber rifles traded back in (most at substantial loss!). 375's, 416', and even the venerable Ruger 458 Safari. Most come back with half of the original box of ammo. Strong mind, weak shoulder is the most offered reason.

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Originally posted by gohip2000:
both my rugers were very accurate, printing most everything at 1" or under at 100 yards. I think the ruger could be a great cartridge, but they just need to get the bugs worked out of those rifles that are bad. I don't understand how they produced my 338 on the same platform and had zero issues, but with the 375 ruger, I was getting a sticky bolt in both and feeding problems in 1, but sub MOA in both. Plenty of other's have had nothing but awsome results, while some have had ongoing issues with their rifles.

There are quite a few 375 Rugers on Australia's biggest guns/hunting forum and all the blokes seem happy wth them. However, I think we would be always getting later stock. When a new calibre or rifle is introduced is quite awhile before we then in Australia. I have noticed on the Australia form that the blokes with various Kimbers aren't reporting all the issues you see on the American forums and my guess is because there are no early models out here.

Can't be lack of shooting as the average Australian shoots a lot of shots in the field

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

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Originally posted by MopaneMike:
Love my Alaskan 375.. Will it replace my Sako Safari H&H??... No, but the Sako is going to be sitting in the safe this August while the Ruger goes with me to Zim as my light rifle..

Why?
Not knocking the Ruger because I might have to get one myself at some point if my new love interest (doubles) begins to wane. But why not take the Sako Safarin in 375H&H?

CCMDoc, Well, it's such a handy lil bugger for one. Shoots clover leaf groups, don't have to worry about it being knocked around (Things built like a Russian T-34) Not near as worrisome if stolen in SAA terminal, I might slit my wrist's if my beloved Sako were stolen..

I often wonder how many were purchased for a hunting trip and because of the economy they were sold?

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Originally posted by Slider:
I often wonder how many were purchased for a hunting trip and because of the economy they were sold?

It's a cartridge with little market potential and limited usefulness being too powerful for European or North American needs and not powerful enough for largest African game.

As to the previous post, I donn't see the 375 Ruger being particularly abusive to shoot. My LH Stainless 20"bbl 375 Ruger weighs 9 lbs all up w/3x Leupold. Not exactly a lightweight but it still handles and points better than any other rifle I have or have shot in that weight range. After a year or so of shooting I still think it is one of the best rifles Ruger has offered to the general public in years.
sbsmith

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Originally posted by Blank:
Strong mind, weak shoulder is the most offered reason.

That's funny! Kinda like when they were a kid and found their eyes were bigger than their stomachs.

Perhaps Rooger's aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all? Perhaps all that marketing puffery has backfired? But the duped already gave up their $$$ to Rooger, so why would Rooger care how many end up in Cabela's bargain cave?

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by Blank:
Strong mind, weak shoulder is the most offered reason.

That's funny! Kinda like when they were a kid and found their eyes were bigger than their stomachs.

Perhaps Rooger's aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all? Perhaps all that marketing puffery has backfired? But the duped already gave up their $$$ to Rooger, so why would Rooger care how many end up in Cabela's bargain cave?

How idiotic of a post can one make??

Mopane,

perhaps, but at this point they seem to have come and gone at about the same speed.
The 375R is the only rifle I can remember that stores were selling as "refurbished". It's also the only one that I can recall being sent to distributors on an open, interest-free basis.

The reality is that they did nothing better than the old H&H. That left NO reason to trade-in or choose as an option if buying outright.

regards,

Rich
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Originally posted by sbsmith:
As to the previous post, I donn't see the 375 Ruger being particularly abusive to shoot.
sbsmith

Ah yes, but here lies the difference....a bunch of gun nuts on a "big bore" forum vs joe schmoe average shooter. They probably hear *read* what they want to hear when reading gun rag articles. When Craig Boddington says the recoil is stout but manageable, these average guys with visions of Alaska or Africa but haven't hunted outside pappys back 40 with his 30-30 hear *read* the stout but manageable. They forget this is a guy who puts thousands of rounds of REALLY big kickers down range every year.

They don't quite understand that every foot pound of recoil force over 25ish ft lbs is expotentially bigger, not as linear. You see a lot of 7 and 300 mags on used racks because people can't handle going from 15-18ft lbs of recoil with 30-06 based cases to the 24-29 ft lbs range of the sporter weight fast 30's. Now add another 10-15 ft lbs on top of that to the H&H and Ruger levels lol So they read manageable, buy a bargain deal (which a ruger is compared to any other big bore rifle) buy some ammo again which is a fari 50$ a box, go to the range, sit wrong, light one off with a likely wrong grip, get beat up, and go back to the store with a lighter wallet and hurt pride.

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Originally posted by studdog:
Seems to be alot of these rifles for sale. Anyone know why? Everyone was bragging them up when they came out. I'm curious since I'm thinking about a 416 Ruger.

Nothing has changed, the Ruger platform is still outstanding and is better than many semi-customs going today. A person looking for a reliable and good handling 375 that is not sluggish like a truck axle would be well served giving it a look. By the numbers, it appears to be an overwhelming success and I'm sure quite a few inexperienced and unvetted riflemen got swept up in the passion expressed by those who truly appreciated the rifle and cartridge. This does not take anything away from the 375 Ruger, it just proves the statistical fact that most riflemen have neither the trigger time nor the skill to manage a sporter weight rifle with recoil beyond that of a 30-06. But as to the value of the Ruger to someone with a use who can manage the rifle, look no further than Phil Shoemaker with his vast experience hunting big bears and moose and see how he whole heartedly recommends the 375 Ruger as an outstanding choice. The darn thing is well thought out and works exceedingly well. If both the 375 H&H and the 375 Ruger had been introduced as new cartridges today, the 375 H&H would have been a complete and absolute failure. I love the H&H, but the 375 Ruger is a better design in almost every detail.

In addition, Ruger like a few other manufacturers has a Refurbishing Program. This is nothing new and it is not unique to the Ruger Alaskan, they've done this for years to include pistols and revolvers. This is more commonly seen with something like the Sig Sauer where an agency makes a trade-in with Sig for a new purchase. Sig will then run the trade-in through their refurbishing program and these guns will find their way to a Sig Dealer being sold at discount prices.

Best

Im a fan of the 375 Ruger. My African is going back to Africa for its second trip next week. Ive got around 250-300rds through the rifle with no issues. I did have it glass bedded and fitted for a good pad though which seems to make a big difference in comfort. I just finished a little project with an Alaskan and HS Precision stock that turned out great. I didnt have time to get it to the range before this trip but it will probably make the next one. Its good to go with Barnes TSX bullets and a Leopold 1.75x6 heavy crosshair scope.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Mopane,

perhaps, but at this point they seem to have come and gone at about the same speed.
The 375R is the only rifle I can remember that stores were selling as "refurbished". It's also the only one that I can recall being sent to distributors on an open, interest-free basis.

The reality is that they did nothing better than the old H&H. That left NO reason to trade-in or choose as an option if buying outright.

regards,

Rich
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Ahh but Rich, that wasn't what I was referring too..

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Mopane,

perhaps, but at this point they seem to have come and gone at about the same speed.
The 375R is the only rifle I can remember that stores were selling as "refurbished". It's also the only one that I can recall being sent to distributors on an open, interest-free basis.

The reality is that they did nothing better than the old H&H. That left NO reason to trade-in or choose as an option if buying outright.

regards,

Rich
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(sigh)
then why are YOU selling a 416 and 505?
oh, yeah "shinny thing- look away"

and you KNOW why they are selling writer's samples, Richard --- you are just being an ass

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UsedRuger 375's for sale?

I think if you look closely, there's quite a few .375 H&H rifles for sale too!

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Originally posted by MopaneMike:

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by Blank:
Strong mind, weak shoulder is the most offered reason.

That's funny! Kinda like when they were a kid and found their eyes were bigger than their stomachs.

Perhaps Rooger's aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all? Perhaps all that marketing puffery has backfired? But the duped already gave up their $$$ to Rooger, so why would Rooger care how many end up in Cabela's bargain cave?

How idiotic of a post can one make??

It sucked you in awful fast.

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by MopaneMike:

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:

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Originally posted by Blank:
Strong mind, weak shoulder is the most offered reason.

That's funny! Kinda like when they were a kid and found their eyes were bigger than their stomachs.

Perhaps Rooger's aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all? Perhaps all that marketing puffery has backfired? But the duped already gave up their $$$ to Rooger, so why would Rooger care how many end up in Cabela's bargain cave?

How idiotic of a post can one make??

It sucked you in awful fast.

Naww.. Just tired of all your other broken record Rooger postings along with that one.. I've come to the conclusion that your simply a Rugerphobe and your obsessed with the fear that the Ruger 375 will replace your 375H&H (which it won't btw) and you'll be forced to come out of the closet as a true Ruger admirer..

CZ has a terrible bad reputation. We have a shop here selling CZ 458's at a pretty steady pace. And they also sell 375 Alaskans. I dont many CZ in 458 being returned. I did see several Ruger Alaskans.

Seems likely there is a QC problem. I have been very satisfied with Ruger over that years. Maybe things have changed or new models have some kinks. The No1 is not a new model and those have problems too.

Since I join this forum, I hear many stories. Problems with some of the M77 22hornets. Cronic poor accuracy with No1 RSI. Faulty ejection with rimmed ctgs in the No1. The ranch rifle & mini30 with poor accuracy. Lets see... bad 7mm barrels. And now, The 375 Ruger stuck in chamber and feeding problems.

The nature of QC problems (as opposed to bad design)is you might get 19 good guns and then 1 problem. 1:20 is pretty poor. So here on AR 90% + Alaskan owners are satisfied.

I would avoid any used Alaskan like the plague.