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Still pluckin' that same ol' banjo...??

Yep, the one with the four strings of quality, consistency, sound design and experience. You should learn to play it too.

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However, I see you are in need of some education:

THIS IS A TIRADE, YOU IMBICILIC MORON!!

This, on the other hand, is not.

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Some free advice for you. Take it, don't take it, whatever: Talk only gets you so far. Then it is time to step up and do.

Apart from the talk that runs up the post count, what have you actually done? All I have seen thus far, after a year and a half of talk in excess of six and a half thousand posts, is some 2 bore brass and bullets, some .66 caliber brass and bullets and some experimental bullets that work/don't work. Where are the 2 bore rifles and the 66 caliber barrels / rifles? Where is the body of work by which you are judged fit to have a valid opinion, as opposed to just waffle?

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RIP,
The 570gr .510 is discontinued for regular production. A 500NE, with the standard twist, cannot generate the speed or the stability factor to make it work better than the 540. The 540 gives more linear penetration. They regulate equally well in doubles. To a man, everyone who has used both bullets, prefer the 540. In a system where the stability factor of the 570gr FN can equal or exceed that of the 540 in a 500NE, there is no problem in using the 570. There is however too little demand to keep it as a shelf item. When a market that small becomes diluted even further with experimental nonsense and unproven product, no matter how viable the product is, it will not survive as a production item. Ask those manufacturers who have fallen by the wayside in the last year or two, they will tell you how it happens.

As a matter of interest, I will put money on it that the 510570FN will not make 8 feet of IWBB. It will prove a point.

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However, I see you are in need of some education:

THIS IS A TIRADE, YOU IMBICILIC MORON!!

This, on the other hand, is not.

Pretty obvious who the moron is Gerard every time you post. Why don't you type more and demonstrate your emotional instability again...

Funny how your customers critique your work but you only direct your lunacy at me...

Why don't you call up Barnes and scream at them for making bullets too since they own the market...I could e-mail you all the bullet manufacturers phone numbers and you can spin yourself up until you drop...

Seems you have identified your BIG problem here:

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When a market that small becomes diluted

Gerard,
Thanks for the obituary on the .510/570-gr FN.
R.I.P.

My barrels in 500A2, .510JAB, and 500 Mbogo are 1:10" Twist. Barnes has chosen the right bullet weight for me. Higher speeds and faster Twist makes them more than barely stabilized ... even though they are only .509" diameter ...

500 NE DR shooters with 1:15 Twist, take note.
Start working up loads with the 540-grainers.

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If andy should take note, the elephant inches correction for his bullet is:

79" IWBB - 8" of air and plastic = 71 elephant inches.

RIP,

You are still within 10% of actual elephant penetration with an identical bullet.

Considering water in a plastic 5 gallon bucket duplicates expansion and weight retention by about 90 and 95% to buffalo (comparing my data w the late George Hoffman's), but is more than double a FN solid, I would say your iron buffalo has corrected that.

As you test more soft points let us know. But the Iron Buff appears to match performance in game with both expanding, FMJ-RN, and FN bullets.

Quite an achievement.

Andy

Andy,
Thanks for the reply.
Last time your bullet went out the top of the IWBB after creasing the 7th set of boards: 69 inches of IWBB - 7" air and plastic = 62 elephant inches.

This time: 79.25 IWBB inches - 8" = 71.25 elephant inches by latest refinement of measurement. (1/4" deep dent in the 8th set of boards, where the nose stopped)

Average so far for your bullet = 66.625 elephant inches.
Still pretty close to your "real elephant" inches.

I will have to try to disassemble the IWBB with a shot from the 500 Mbogo with 10" Twist and 2500 fps using the last of the .510/570-grain GSC FN bullets.

Funeral salute to a great bullet that another member used in his 500 Nitro express to get deep penetration in elephant. It used to be perfect for "Portuguese-Texan Heart Shots" on elephant.

I think Gerard was betting against his bullet making it 96" with the 15" twist.

I will not try to collect from him, as I will be using the 10" Twist.

Rip,
The 510570FN is not dead and gone, I said that it is no longer a shelf item. It will be available through the dealer network as a special order item. It is not viable to lay out the raw material for something that has such a limited application. Now, if you shoot them in the IWBB and think you will get 96" of penetration, I am wondering how to structure the bet. I know I can't lose, even with the 1:10" twist.


Mac,
You miss the points so well, one would swear that they are handing out medals for it. But of course it is part of your distraction strategy. So I am prompted to ask again:
Apart from the talk that runs up the post count, what have you actually done? All I have seen thus far, after a year and a half of talk in excess of six and a half thousand posts, is some 2 bore brass and bullets, some .66 caliber brass and bullets and some experimental bullets that work/don't work. Where are the 2 bore rifles and the 66 caliber barrels / rifles? Where is the body of work by which you are judged fit to have a valid opinion, as opposed to just waffle?

One has to wonder why it is Gerard that you're constantly so concerned about my every activity. At last count there are half a dozen guys who post here who are making their own machined projectiles. Why would that be Gerard? You're the self-proclaimed master of product design with 25 years of experience, surely there's no reason for anyone but you to engage in this activity. Maybe they see your "Body of Work" is a little thin for someone who's been at it for 25 years or is it 35 years or 10 years or when your business was established. You might want to work on firming up your CV before you tell us about all that invaluable experience.

I'd venture a few high school kids could have read all the books you quote and duplicate all your work in a few weeks. Actually they may have done it a little faster since they wouldn't have to craft all your proclamations. Yes - all those 19th century (or earlier) technologies you've invented - the truncated cone, the flat nose, driving bands, and copper - I almost forgot you invented copper too!!

Regarding my various projects – you'll see them when they're ready to be seen. That might be next week, next year, or never since they are my projects and my experiments. Of course if I had your fragile ego I'd be scurrying around like you trying to post some tired old same old to prop up my stale and contrived image rather than something new.

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judged fit to have a valid opinion

This statement pretty much sums up who you are doesn't it Gerard??

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Originally posted by Gerard:
Rip,
The 510570FN is not dead and gone, I said that it is no longer a shelf item. It will be available through the dealer network as a special order item. It is not viable to lay out the raw material for something that has such a limited application. Now, if you shoot them in the IWBB and think you will get 96" of penetration, I am wondering how to structure the bet. I know I can't lose, even with the 1:10" twist.

Gerard,
The IWBB will soak up some more of your bullets.

Those top brackets that hold the boards in place are subject to bending under 3000 fps bullet impacts with the water, have been reinforced in the first three rumens. Rumeni?

Now a sandwich of two pieces of 12-guage coated steel angle iron forms the brackets on top and bottom, bolted to the stainless steel square tube that never suffers from bending.

Your 570-grain .510-caliber FN will be shot into the IWBB at 2400 fps. That did 8 feet in a live bison, exited. And it did it again after the bull was dead.

Is "bigger" a better penetrator in the IWBB?
This will be the biggest bullet I have tried in the Iron WaterBoard Buffalo.
Working my way up.

BTW, I have control of the hotmail account and am closing it. I found a hacked-in email address inserted there as my alternate email address.

Apparently the MSN/hotmail toadies were forwarding instructions to that address for the hacker to read about me changing the password.

Some adesmond14@XXXXX.com, maybe a 14 year-old antipodean hacker? IC3/FBI have the address, as well as the MSN/hotmail toadies now.

If I am to order some more .510/570gr FN's, I need to have those .395/340gr SP's in hand. Any idea when you might finish delivering on that order?

Also, I still have your barrels in .395-caliber with GSC custom barrel profile, lying fallow, ready to go if the Zulu's ever stamp your papers.

YES CHIEF!! THESE CARTRIDGES ARE LOADED WITH BULLETs MANUFACTURED IN SOUTH AFRICA!! THEY ARE QUITE EFFECTIVE INDEED!!

Hey Mac
Still hurting from the whooping you took a while back hey? Cmon dont be a cry baby.

That's a pretty strong photo there RAT!!

I don't recall feeling beat up a bit there RAT!! I've actually been anticipating your belated return...you and your alternate Mr. Hyde are quite the Minstrel show here on AR - wouldn't be the same without you...

Have you slayed any of "The Worlds Most Dangerous Game" of late..??