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STW-Fan- Yup a little improved for more case capacity but basically just that. It would launch a 1000gr bullet at just over 3000fps no sweat.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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You are FREAKIN' NUTS!!!!!!!!!!  A quick check with Norma ballistics comes up with 20027 ft-lbs. at 3003 f.p.s. Wow!!!  I can't wait to see what's next!!!  | |||
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Rob or Hubel you guys have to take a video when you hunt with those canons. The hitting power must be only believed if seen, hence the video. Thank you in advance! | |||
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Thats why they call them STOPPERS. 15K - 20K of muzzel energy is easily achievable. There was a guy in Alaska who also built a .700 on a .50BMG case. He sent me a chamber drawing and my version has a tad more powder capacity due to less case taper. The shoulders were different too. I've heard Dennis Olsen has his own version too. Probably not interchangable but similar ballistics. The .700's are much easier to build, but may not be legal in all states. Ed's .700 is ATF registered so no issue. Here in LV no issue either. However ,the 12 Ga is legal everywhere and you can shoot those 4000fps 3/4 oz sabots too.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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3/4 sabot or 328 grains @ 4008 f.p.s. : Zeroed for 250 yards. 450 yards -15.2 inches low. Max. height is 1.5 inches @ 160 yards. Energy: Muzzel 11701 ft. lbs. @ 450 yards 4253 ft. lbs. All of this is going on a .290 B.C. ( my assumption) I think that is one hell of a varmint gun as well! | |||
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*going to get the calipers and my 10 gauge H&R* | |||
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RIP, you need one of these 12 ga. shotguns with the twisty stuff inside the barrel. Then get you a swaging set and some surplus 20 mm projectiles to make up a fine batch of long range bullets so that thee deer across the border in Indiana would not be safe when the gun is on the picnic table in your back yard. | |||
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500grains, I am afraid I might sink a tug or barge on the Ohio River if I tried that kind of stunt. Then where would I be? Besides, you know any caliber that starts with a digit bigger than 5 is just plain silly for anyone! Being a Professional Small Boy that knows his limitations, I stop at .510.  | |||
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Hubel458 If you can part with 4 full length fireformed cases I would take them. E-mail and let me know how much and where to send money. Could also use a couple of bullets. Robgunbuilder If you could send dimensions and directions for making brass I would appreciate it. Thanks Richard ttandt@charter.net | |||
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Man, you guys are having WAY TOO MUCH FUN!!! "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Could he hear you answer to the question?  "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Given the choice that's the way I'd take it. I'm deaf and a flincher too. Working on the latter, though. If I can get my neck straight I might try this. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Tiggertate, huh what did you say? After the first 2 rounds, earplugs didn't matter anymore.  Recoil was plesantly mild (considering), Ed does a nice job on rifle setup. If anything, the 3/4oz sabot loads had a little more "slap" to them than the 730gr lead bullets did. This is probably due to the increased velocity with the lighter bullet. | |||
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Holy crap. I guess I never took the time to really read the 12GFH saga. This appears to be a pretty simple deal. I know of an H&R fully rifled 12 ga I could pick up real cheap. These have heavy barrels, but would need a bunch of weight in the stock for anything like balance and heft for this kind of cartridge. Would this be a valid platform for building one? Is the factory barrel long enough @ 24"? It has a 3" chamber already, but that could be reamed out to 3.5, as Ed says. ============================== "I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down" --Fred Durst | |||
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The pic link is not showing?!?  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Must be my 'puter!!!  My geek brother will be here Sat. for my pop's birthday. I'll let him see what's going on.  This is such a cool thread, I HATE missing the pics!!! You fellas are cutting edge!!!  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Ed I also get a "red x", on 2 different computers/systems. I tried doing a direct connect and got sent to a "holding" page??? 3 different 12ga FH loads  12ga FH next to a 2 3/4" 12ga shell (2 700HE cases undergiong their forming in the middle)  | |||
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WOW!!! What is the round on the extreme left?  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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#1 408 Chey-Tac #2 500 Nitro #3 700 HE Belt started, body not yet swedged #4 700 HE After fireforming, still needs final anneal and taper expand. #5 12gaFH W/Bridger banded bullet #6 2 3/4 Federal w/ 3/4oz Barnes sabot | |||
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Made a quick call to NEF. The bbl is a straight pipe of 0.893" OD (this seems smaller than I recall, but maybe my memory is off. I thought it was just over 1" diam). Length is 24" with a 1:35" twist. Factory chamber is 3" Ultra Slug Hunter I really like the looks of the round loaded with the Bridger banded bullet! One other question on making cases: are you using solder/loctite of some kind in the threads for the rims? ============================== "I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down" --Fred Durst | |||
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WOAH, I have two 408s in my collection, so now I get an even better idea "just how big" these 12gaFH rounds are!!!!!   BTW, what does "FH" stand for? Jest Kureous. "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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"From Hell" (See thread title.) | |||
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Another scale referance for you, the "700 Hubel Express" and the "12ga From Hell" both start off as 50BMG brass that's had the neck/shoulder streightened out. | |||
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OK, now I feel REALLY DUMB!!!  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Mr. Ed Hubel, will you PLEASE consider starting your OWN WEBSITE showing your exploits!!! I noticed on THIS THREAD on Greybeard Outdoors that you are even playing with 4 and 2 bores. I think MANY FELLAS would love to see you have a website similar to Dave Estergaard's .470 Mbogo. I know that you noted on the other thread that you noted:
But I STILL think folks would love to see "how you do it." Maybe Robgunbuilder and Tailgunner could give you additional pics and help with the site!!! BTW, may I ask, how does the recoil of either the 700 Hubel Express or the 12gaFH compare to a .577 double rifle? Or have you ever shot a .577 double?  I'm also DYING to see you make a nylon shot cup and see how many 00 or 000 buckshot you can fit in one of those 12gaFH rounds, and targets showing the distruction. Of course, it would have to be at close range since you have a RIFLED barrel. It'd still be "cool."  "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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"They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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One thing I've learned is make the rims out of steel not brass. The brass ones distort when seating the primers. I'm shooting my 12 GAFH THIS WEEKEND AND WILL HAVE SOME REPORTS BACK ON MONDAY.-ROB Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I am surprised no one has asked about running a 12 ga FH reamer down the chambers of a 12 ga SxS shotgun.  | |||
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Well, I never thought I would see something that made my 4 Bore muzzle loader look small. You guys are nuts! And I mean that in the nicest possible way! One day I am going to have to get a closer look at one of these babies. 'Till then, have fun! Cheers, Dave. Cheers, Dave. Aut Inveniam Viam aut Faciam. | |||
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We need some VIDEOS to disprove that the .577 Tyrannosaur is THE "flying gun." "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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WOW, the video camera needs a SPRING!!! That REALLY is SOME KINDA GUN!!! "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Well I just got back from a nice Range session with the 12Ga FH. I was having great fun with a load of 300 grs of Rl-25 and a 750gr Bridger solid. It runs about 2450fps and recoil is really pretty mild. Accuracy at 50 yrds offhand ( 25lb rifle) was 2 inches . Very impressive fireball and the report is like a cannon going off. Sure got lots of attention! After firing I would open the block, hold the gun up and watch the cases just drop out! Shot about 10 rounds this way! I then mostly worked out fireforming loads. I found that a annealed .50BMG case filled with 35 grs of Bulleseye and then packed with oat meal and a soap plug will blow a case out to final dimensions perfectly. I also found that the brass 12 GaFH rims are just too weak to prime with .50BMG primers. They distort too easily particularily when you arm the primer. I solved the problem by chucking a .50BMG case in the lathe and drilling it out 37/64 and then tapping 5/8X24. I then parted the threaded .50BMG rim off and screwed it onto the 5/8X24 threaded 12 ga FH cases. You can now use a standard .50BMG shellholder to deprime, prime, seat etc. All you then do is unscrew the .50BMG rim and screw-on the 12 Ga FH rim and shoot. Neat solution if I say so myself. Ed- Nice job on the reamer! I took the easy way out and had one made. Now for the reloading dies, I just used a boring Bar with a taper attachment on my DRO equipped lathe to make the sizing and loading dies. They worked out just fine. I really considered just making the chamber on my barrel with a boring bar as its so darn simple, but finally deceided to have a reamer made. I also think you could make a half reamer for this thing easily enough. On a 12 Bore barrel your removing so little metal the whole job only takes 1/2 hr with coolant feed up the muzzel to remove chips quickly. My chamber turned out just like a mirror and I was upset that I had to 400 grit it. This project has really turned out to be a winner.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Rob, nice thinking on how to reprime your cases . Proves that there is more than one way to Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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Caution- CCI No. 35 primers must be individually inspected for cracks before using. To date there have been three confirmed reports of damaged firearms due to cracked primers burning through on .50BMG's. I would not use a CCI primer period! The best are RWS, but they are very hard to find. Ed- I have a primer pocket reamer and depth tool that I use on all my cases. It's handmade, but has worked on thousands of cases.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Ed- If you find some RWS primers let me know.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Let's see it SCOPED! "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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Ed- what are the barrel thead dimensions for the savage?-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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The only comment that I would like to point out is in the pic, it doesn't seem to have much LUG BEARING AREA?!?!? Maybe I've missed something, but it looks as though if you really push it the lugs could shear off and implant the bolt into your cheekbone?!? Any additional comments to clear up my foggy thinking??? "They who would give up an essential Liberty for Temporary Security, deserves neither Liberty or Security." ---Benjamin Franklin "SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS" | |||
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