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Originally posted by ScottS:
Jeff,

The 405 is long gone. She shoots the 458 Win mag pretty well, and actually that is what she wants. I was thinking that the 416 Ruger might be a bit more versatile while at the same time offering a little less recoil, or at least no more than the 458 Winnie. She wants to shoot water buff and bison, but water buff most.

I guess the question really is how does a 416 Ruger's recoil compare to a 458 Winnie?

Oregon45, that is a descent practice idea, but for water buff she will need to drive the 400 at better than 2200 fps to get acceptable penetration.

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If she can handle a winnie with no brake, she will be able to shoot a 416. But it begs the question, why not take the winnie?

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Oregon45, that is a descent practice idea, but for water buff she will need to drive the 400 at better than 2200 fps to get acceptable penetration.

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Originally posted by ScottS:

Thanks for that. The answer to your question is not as simple as it would seem to be. Firstly, the 458 is mine and is a project in the works. Currently it sports the OEM laminated stock which has been butchered to allow shooting. The LOP of this butchered stock falls between mine and her's (too short for me too long for her). The original thought, and one which may still come to pass, was to simply finish the 458 project (new stock for me) and modify the laminated stock so that it would work better for her and then let her use the 458 with this modified (albeit butt ugly) laminated Ruger stock. In the meantime my twisted mind (as my wife would say) has come up with the idea of the 416 Ruger, hence my purpose for the creation of this thread.

BTW, yesterday I took her to Cabela's where she tried on several rifles (CZ550 Magnum, Weatherby MkV, Colt Sauer, Remington, Ruger No1, and Ruger Hawkeye African) and decided she really really likes the Ruger Hawkeye African. The problem being now for the 416 Ruger idea that Ruger has not begun producing the Hawkeye African in 416 Ruger (I was told only the Alaskan is avaiable at present) and she, like me, seems to be only interested in walnut (although she expressed great interest in Bubinga even though as she put it "it is heavy as hell" aka Colt Sauer) and blued steel.

I hope that answers your question.

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Gentlemen,
I appreciate the comments. What would be proper shot placement on a water buffalo to ensure that a 30-06 or a slow 416 (2000 fps 400gr) load would provide complete pass through while at the same time destroy enough of the vitals to provide a quick clean kill?

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Unless she is a particularly experienced shooter or of unusually large stature, I think a .416 Ruger is way too much gun for a 15 year old girl. For god sakes, buy her a CZ in 9.3X62 and put a good scope on it. She will shoot it better and it will be way easier for her to carry. The fact that you have to even ask this question tells me you already know the answer.

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What would be proper shot placement on a water buffalo to ensure that a 30-06 or a slow 416 (2000 fps 400gr) load would provide complete pass through while at the same time destroy enough of the vitals to provide a quick clean kill?

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What would be proper shot placement on a water buffalo to ensure that a 30-06 or a slow 416 (2000 fps 400gr) load would provide complete pass through while at the same time destroy enough of the vitals to provide a quick clean kill?

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Big Bore Boar Hunter,

Thank you for the info. A gentleman on another website, and who I have actually met recently due to his close proximity to my residence (idiotic fancy talk, eh) informed me that the 338 Winnie in his experience plain sucked as a buffalo/bison round. He stated it took surgical precision accuracy (not realistic in the field no matter who you are) and a good bit of luck besides to bring down a buffalo/bison quickly and cleanly with anything short of a central nervous system hit. In my experience central nervous system hits are easier said than done.

Sounds to me like your wife has made an outstanding, and should I say traditional British, choice for buffalo/bison rifle. My daughter tried on one of those Ruger No. 1s yesterday in 450/400 3" and really liked it (I believe she liked it more than the Hawkeye) but wants a bolt action not single shot (guess she is tired of her Encore).

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
I find myself in a place where I completly agree with Shootaway ........
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The 338 will split the skull on a brain shot on a buff without much fuss.

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Gentlemen,
I appreciate the comments. What would be proper shot placement on a water buffalo to ensure that a 30-06 or a slow 416 (2000 fps 400gr) load would provide complete pass through while at the same time destroy enough of the vitals to provide a quick clean kill?

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Originally posted by ScottS:

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The 338 will split the skull on a brain shot on a buff without much fuss.

I had no idea that a 338 could do that! I cannot imagine what the 458 would do then. Thanks for that bit of comprehension, changes the thought process a bit perhaps.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
I find myself in a place where I completly agree with Shootaway ........
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I knew you would all wisen up sooner or later!

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Gentlemen,
I appreciate the comments. What would be proper shot placement on a water buffalo to ensure that a 30-06 or a slow 416 (2000 fps 400gr) load would provide complete pass through while at the same time destroy enough of the vitals to provide a quick clean kill?

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Originally posted by ScottS:
Would a 416 Ruger (M77 Hawkeye) be too much rifle for a 15 year old girl's first buffalo rig? What do you think?

Thanks