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I just picked up a model 70 Classic action off a 300 Ultra mag and was wondering what would be a neat caliber for a custom buid???? I already have 375H&H 416 Rigby and 458 Lott. I was thinking something different ( no disrespect to the Ruger Cartridge thread )......any ideas??? | ||
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You really need a 404 Jeffery M70. That always works well on a RUM M70. | |||
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+1 For the 404 Jeffrey, It's next on my list. | |||
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X3 Rod -------------------------------- "A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong" Bob Hagel | |||
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300H&H | |||
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X4! I mean 404! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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+1 in any case it should be a classic and not a young cartridge !!! | |||
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+1 for the 404 Jeffery | |||
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404 sounds pretty good for the small end of the spectrum, but of course I have to vote for the 500 MDM! Which is a 375 Ultra case up to .500 caliber (not .510). And too, head stamped brass available. That is a great action, and as I understand Winchester had to do quite a bit of modifications to it for the RUM cartridge! It works, I have converted 5 of them so far. Oops that's a lie, I had SSK convert them, no one lets me have tools anymore to do things with. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Another vote for the .404, no other conversion necessary except re-barreling. Hornady, Jamison, Norma and others have headstamped brass. "I ask, sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during the Virginia convention to ratify the Constitution | |||
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Seems like a pretty solid consensus on the 404 J. I'm kinda leanin that way myself......what length barrel and what contour ya'll think? | |||
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While I have and love the .404, you seem not to need on in your battery.(  ,wait did I use the N word )This is the Big Bore section , and not to be blaspheming ,(still love the biggies) what about the .338 Edge. You did afterall say custom.  And if you still need (there I go again  ) a Big one why not the 470AR , the 500 AR, or make an UlTRA 470?DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Hmmm With the carts you already have it seems either a 300 HH or a 500 of some flavor. If you want a 404 then turn your Rigby into a 500??? and your 300 into the 404 to not have overlap. JMHO  375, 300 grain bullets. 404, 400 grain bullets. 458, 500 grain bullets. 500, 600 grain bullets. Simple! Then get a 300 HH for 200 grain bullets. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Duggaboy......need.....did you say need????????????????? The 338 edge project is gonna be built on a Rem 700 I just bought from Geedubya. Boomstick, I like the idea idea of a .500 somethin' but I ain't gonna fool with the Rigby it shoots good and is a lot of fun. Any traditional 500's that'll fit the winchester action??? | |||
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Traditional? 500 Jeffery will fit I think. The other 500s will be cheaper. MDM or KILL ALL will be a barrel swap. If you want a 510 I vote for the 500 AR 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Traditional: Only two I think of as traditional are the 505 Gibbs ,COL 3.850, and the 500 Jeffery/Schuler, COL 3.465. In theory both should be able to bee produced out of the "long" Mod 70 Classic action, just with more action work than some of the "newer" 500s. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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I like the idea of the .500 Schuler/Jeffery (I prefer the Schuler case design over the Jeffery) on the big side and the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan (STA) on the smaller side. | |||
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as you have the 'bigs' covered, I would have left it a 300 ultra mag. | |||
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heads: 404J tails: 300H&H okay, best two out of three... Great minds think alike, those two are on the "next" list at my house. Rich Buff Killer | |||
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I believe that you have a battery of rifles perfect, perhaps you need a rifle with a light arms e.g. a 7 mm R.M, 300 win MAG or similar for long-range shot. It is my humble opinion. Oscar. I am Spanish My forum:www.armaslargasdecaza.com | |||
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An interesting cartridge would be the .425 Westley Richards. I believe it was the most powerfull bolt action cartridge in the world when introduced in 1909. 410 grain, .435 caliber bullet at 2350 fps. Cases available from Horneber and bullets from Woodleigh. I've never had any trouble with the rebated rim. | |||
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JTEX My 500 MDM was made for this Win M70 RUM action! I have two-still working on load data, Both of mine are 21 inch barrels-550 gr bullets 2200 fps--510 gr bullets 2300 fps-470 gr bullets at 2400 fps and so on! .500 Caliber (not .510) Yes--have proper bullets designed and made for it! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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You just need more ammo and shooting time ....... Take your Rigby , load some GS HV or SP light weight bullets in it and see how good an all around rifle you already have .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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You can get a 26" Lothar-Walther Heavy Sporter Contour barrel. Or you can get 26" blank from them and have it turned. My L-W is great! Woody and the guys over in Georgia do a heck of a job! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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I would have to go with the 505 Gibbs for my next rifle. | |||
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Slightly OT, sorry. Turning my mod 70 in 30-06 into 404jeffrey. Feasible? .......... | |||
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which 500 in the m70? McGowen has the reamer and gages for the 500 AccRel .. open the bolt face, replace the barrel, it'll be 2+1, and its WAY easier to get to feed than the 500 jeffe .. 30-06 to 404? yes ... with some degree of humor, the "original" 404 conversions were 8x57 to 404 .. close enough to the same starting poing as to have no importance in work required the 500 AccRel has headstamped brass available RIGHT NOW, dies, and load data! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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