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I always understood the Ruger No1s limit to be the 500Nitro. If you want bigger ... pick another action.
Cheers...
Con

How come the hangup on the Ruger #1?

I say keep the #1 as a 460W...later you can use it as a warmup for the 577 T-Rex or whatever in a bolt rifle.

Find a donor CZ550 or the like and go nuts...or maybe buy a 600 OK.

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Originally posted by Con:
I always understood the Ruger No1s limit to be the 500Nitro. If you want bigger ... pick another action.
Cheers...
Con

I agree.
I have one in 500 A-Square and it has stood up to 200 rounds so far, about equally divided between

570 grainers at 2500 fps
and
750 grainers at 2150 fps
and
a few
650 to 705 grainers at 2200 to 2250 fps

from the 27" barrel that is 1.000" at the muzzle, 1:10" twist.

One could go faster with this rifle, but I fear cracking the stock.

Loads developed in the Ruger No.1 transferred to a 23" barreled ZKK with about 100 fps velocity loss.

Have you loaded any of the 600 grain tips yet? I found them to be quite a bit more punishing than factory rounds. If you want a T-Rex, move onto another, bigger action; you wouldn't be able to take it to its full potential even if someone was willing to build it on a Ruger #1...

And for a moments time, I thought you grew up. For someone's first gun, a newbie reloader, and budding rifleman, at least learn how to shoot first. All this shit makes about as much sense as drivers ed in a Formula One car...

The .460 Weatherby Magnum is .583 at the base, the .375 Weatherby is .532". The difference between the T-Rex and the .460 is .105". I know this doesn't sound like much, but it is important when we are talking high pressures in a chamber. I'll let some of the metal engineers on the board explain stress limitations.

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Am I missing something here.....

Yeah, a basic understanding of mechanical engineering.

have you ever heard the phrase "...pipe bomb..."?

I helped a gunsmith friend get on at a local machine shop some years back. The owner asked me if a gunsmith could cut it as a machinist. I told him every rifle Jim built was test fired from his shoulder, putting a pipe bomb if defective next to his right eye and lighting the fuse. He hired him about ten minutes later.

Shop Ebay for the large Falling Block Workd action. Hugh Roberts in Colorado built one in 600NE. You want about a 1 1/8" barrel shank thread.

Rich

save money and do a 12gfh and you wont need a bigger gun again

I know you love the No.1 but with changing actions you can gain so much. I suggest what others here say, save some money and go on to another action if you have your heart set on a .577 T-Rex.

Do you know anyone who owns a .577 T-Rex you can try out first? I myself want a .577NE Double Rifle. I've been saving for a while and didn't even consider it until I tried one. The recoil of that one is probably my upper limit since I am slowed a bit for a second shot. If you can't hit anything with it then it is money wasted.

I agree 100% with ManCannon. Positron, you are going to get hurt (or killed) if you keep going in the direction you currently are. You are way over your head with ideas that border on the dangerous and trying to satisfy your subconscious by asking questions on this forum as if it is ok to keep experimenting beyond your level of understanding. To those that keep this person going in this direction, I hope you can live with the consequences when something really bad happens, especially when an innocent bystander at the range gets some schrapnel through their head. I hope the gunsmith you are working with to build these concoctions has his liability insurance paid up. Yes, lots of people experiment with high pressure vessels and many are maimed or killed. Think about it, and asked yourself if it is worth the risk. Take the advice ManCannon is giving.

Woodrow S:
No one could have said it better!

Positron,

Post us a pic of your #1 in 460 wby.

Positron,
Let me pile on too. ManCannon, and Woodrow S are giving you some good advice, if you would listen.

A .577 NE is the biggest case that can clear the highly modified tang safety with its rim to physically be able to insert the cartridge into the action.

That does not mean it is safe, except at very low pressure, because of the thin chamber walls. Very unsatisfying if you just want some kicks.

There was an article in Handloader or Rifle Magazine many years ago about someone who did this, complete with load data. I was not impressed.

Having fired 43 rounds of Mitch Carter's .577 T.rex, I can tell you I want no part of anything bigger than a 50.

Shootable singles, doubles or bolt actions over 50/.505/.510 caliber
are just too heavy to carry all day, slow to get into action, or slower in followup shots. If you can't do it with a 50, then your shooting needs to be improved.

Practice with the 460 Wby before you decide to go any bigger.

You know ManCannon loves you. Tough love. XXXOOO.

Hey, positron, Mancannon and everyone else responding to your ridiculous question is offering their experience and urging you to exercise caution. Don't ask for advice if you aren't willing to accept it.

You're an ignorant fool, a mental paraplegic with no idea what he's talking about.

You've got your mind made up, no sense anyone else trying to confuse you with facts.

Positron,

I am not going to get in the middle of this because I like to shoot big stuff. I think most of the people here are trying to act on the side of caution to keeps things safe. No one wants to see any body get hurt. I would ask that you please clean up the language, there are lots of young adults that visit this site. Just quit all the foul talk. thanks

Oh and for you gentlemen who dont believe that I have a Ruger No. 1 in 460. Here is phone no. for ON Target Gun Shop were I had it done. You can call and ask for yourself 1-570-872-2145 its located in Frackville, Pennsylvania He does good work too because my gun actually ejects the weatherby cases better than it did the winchester cases!

Does it make you feel tough to talk like that ? Or can't you get your point across any other way ? How utterly childish.

Positron,

I would apologize if my posts had left you with the impression that I was "dissing" you or your wishes...
We all have dreams, and some of them are just not realistic. A few of the guys here may sound a little harsh,
but you keep trying to get some support for what they believe is an unwise, unsafe wish. Perhaps you could just do one thing for us: load that 460 with factory or equivalent power loads. Take a friend along to the range and set a target consisting of a regular 9" paper plate up at 50 yards. Have your friend be your ammo man, handing you rounds asap. Time yourself, and when you can put three rounds well on that paper plate in under ten seconds...twice in fifteen minutes, and ten days in a row, without ANY edge shots or misses during that time...come talk to us with some real world experience under your belt. WE are trying to keep you safe until you can swim with the sharks.
And you guys: give the newbie a little slack. He wants to play with us here as an equal...and that process is neither quick, nor painless. I can remember clearly buying one of John Buhmillers' 450 Buhmiller Magnums about 28 years ago. The first rifle I ever really got to even shoot over a 300H&H in power. Opened, as they say, a 55 gallon drum of "Whup Ass" on my own unworthy head. It took me a year to get comfortable with that cannon. I shot ten rounds every evening after work; first with cast 500gr bullets going up to 2200fps over ninety days.
Then I got on speed drills, empty the four shot magazine and one in the pipe in ten seconds on the paper plate program. Positron, I wish you lived near here, you could try out some real bruisers.

Last thought Positron: if you want some real bonecrusher, rebarrel that thing to the 550 Magnum. There ought be enough testosterone in a five-pack of top end loads for anybody.

regards,


Rich

Positron,

I think you are blowing our comments out of proportion. Remember that most of us have been there and done that. You asked what we think and you were rude when we told you. You've acted like a punk with a chip on his shoulder.

I don't think anything has been said to discourage you from having a behemoth big bore...just offering suggestions that make sense to us. Most of our suggestions, which I think were good, constructive suggestions to boot, you haven't even acknowledged. That is pretty rude and disrespectful. And you wonder why some of the comments have become personal.

You have never answered my questions. I would like to know why you are stuck on the Ruger #1? And I am now curious why you won't consider anything but 58 cal?

With the kinds of mods you are talking about, a bolt action isn't any more expensive than your R#1 and it would open up a pile more options for you.

And there are some great calibre/cartridge options that are MUCH cheaper than a 577 T-rex or 585 Nyati, that will give you the same experience.

And lastly, just being able to pull the trigger on a big bore is no big deal. Being able to shoot one well is a totally different story. When you were warned about the viscious recoil of the 460W on a R#1 it came from the perspective of people that actually want to be able to shoot their big bores accurately, not just touch them off. There is a world of difference.

You log enough shots behind that 460W of yours and you'll understand exactly what we meant. For chrissakes man, any one of us would shoot that thing. You sure as heck ain't tougher than any one of us. But you play with that thing enough and you'll know what we meant by our comments.

And there's nothing wrong with being real good at walking before you start running.

Canuck

Positron,
Most of us posting to you have been beaten and battered by large, huge, and "do what" caliber big bores.

You could do worse than to be interactive with them.

So, I'll ask you again, what loads are you shooting in your 460, what weight is your gun, and how well are you shooting at 50yards?

EACH AND EVERY ONE of us has jumped in too quick and deep... and probably has had a shoulder whacked "funny", "wiped" their nose with their right thumbs, been beat silly and other mistakes.

Again, you could do well to be interactive.

jeffe

Why do you guys insist on calling me a newbie or rookie or whatever. I don't even know why I am typing this because its clear I lost everyones respect here. But I can shoot this rifle pretty damn good. I fired over 40 rounds with it already! And out of my brother, and his two buddies and me I was shooting the best groups at 50 yards. There is nothing wrong with the weatherby in fact its a great round. Its just not what I really want. Ive always wanted a 58 caliber, however I refuse to buy an ugly Asquare Hannibal rifle. I like the look of the Ruger No. 1 perhaps I'll just stick with this punny rifle and I am sorry if I came accross as cocky. Peace......and Good luck in the Selous!

I am shooting factory loads with the Weatherby and 600 grain loads that were made up by Kole Conley. Supposedly they are loaded to 2490fps. however its probably a little less because of the barrel only being 24 inches. I keep them in the ten ring most of the time at fifty yards. Shooting beyond fifty yards is probably useless with open sights so I don't attempt shooting further than that! The weight is the same it was when I bought it all that was done was a rechambering. I like I said I fired over forty rounds and I know that may not be alot to you guys but at a hundred dollars a box its enough for me.

Positron,

There is lots to be learned around here. Just simmer down a bit and like jeffe said so well, get interactive.

Glad you've cranked a few rounds through that 460W...thats a good start. As far as treating you like a newbie, well, you've admitted you are one. And normally you gotta earn respect before you have any to lose. I think most of us have met enough rambunctious young guys that want to get into big bores to recognize the symptoms. If we haven't met them, I am pretty damn sure every one of us was one at one time!We are just trying to be helpful dude.

If you are cash limited, like most of us are (I've been planning my cape buff hunt since I first started hanging out here almost 9 years ago!), I think you'd be doing yourself a favor by opening up to some other options. A CZ550 in a 500 A2, 550 Mag or even 600 OK is going to be cheaper than trying to turn your R#1 into something it shouldn't be.

And pretty much all the 58 cals are expensive to get into...brass, bullets and rifle-wise. Consider the other options for the time being and get into the 58's when you've had some time to bank the cash or whatever.

Keep the R#1 though...heck, that'll be a fun rifle forever no matter what else you get into.

I am with you on the A2 Hannibal...to pricey and not my thing either.

Cheers and Peace to you too man,
Canuck

If I may contribute to this thread... You see Positron, the biggest gun I own is a 375 H&H factory Winchester classic stainless steel version. After 400 rounds through it of different brands and a few reloads of my own, I can honestly say that I am still learning how to shoot the gun. I'm not the greatest shooter, never will be and I am not able to shoot 1/2 of minute of angle with open sights at a 100 yards like so many on the Internet post day after day. This has not stopped me from killing two moose with that rifle though... I would only consider buying a bigger gun if I was able to shoot that 375 H&H accurately! This probably will never happen, not because I can't shoot worth a damn , but because I have a love affair going on with my gun!!! If you can handle the very big boomers, good for you, but I doubt the average hunter shooter can actually say with a straight face that he can handle the recoil of a 500 A-Square or the likes without any kind of flinch without lots of practice. These guns are heavy so you have to shoot them of a bench to get such precision. Shooting a boomer of a bench takes lots of practice in my opinion to be very good at it. Maybe I'm just a bad shot, or a sissy, shit who knows but at least I know my limits. Hell Positron, all my respect if you can manage such recoil, you must be a great shot.

Maurice

I am not saying by any means that I am good shot I only own one rifle at the time. But I went through a lot of rifles. I am one of those people who buy a rifle shoot it for a while and then trade it in on something else. Here are some of the rifles I owned and traded in. A German made Weatherby Mark V in 300 Weatherby Mag.,Remington 700 Stainless Synthetic in 338 Rem. Ultra Mag, A Weatherby Mark V Synthetic in 340 Weatherby, A Weatherby Mark V Fibermark in 416 Remington Mag, An Encore in with a 416 Rigby Barrel, An old Winchester rechambered in 358 Norma Mag, there is more I just wanted to name a few.......yes all of these rifles and not one of them left me satisfied

GO PLAY!!!

Who are u man and what is your problem? And what is with the pics your not funny.You quote Oppenheimer but yet you don't come across as an intelligent person at all. I wonder if you actually know anything about quantam physics or if you just think Nuclear bombs are cool!Seriously man if you have a problem with me I am located in Reading, Pennsylvania stop by and we will resolve are issues!

Perhaps Positron is a no neck 7 foot 400 pounder that needs extra recoil to arouse his male genitalia!

I still say you need to purchace my 600ok, pack it as tight as you can with H414 (remove the brake) and giver hell!

Mississippian let me guess how much are you selling your rifle for 4k,5k I am guessing you want alot for it man, unfortunately I am only interested in a 58 cal. I am not interested in recoil didn't mean to come off that way!I am not trying to sound like a tough guy. All I want to do is chamber a 58 caliber in my beautiful Ruger No. 1, it seems like from all of the info from this post and various others I am stuck choosing the venerable 577 Nitro Express. So be it...Im done argueing with you and the guy who thinks he is a Mancannon!

Positron,

we are not getting cross here are we? You are going to have to do one of two things here pretty quick:
a. lose the attitude
OR
b. go away

Just get the damn thing rebarrelled in 577NE and see how many rounds you get per action and/or stay in the hospital. Let us know if you and the #1 survive the transformation. I have already shot more than 60 rounds thru my 510KX, and I've had a stock on it for six days.

I wish you well, but I'm done here

Rich

Oh no don't kick me off your sucky forum how will I ever live!!!!!!

Let's see a picture of how your 460 came out. Always interested in new toys.

All you guys tell are lies, the videos on your forum are all acts this guy John that shoots the 460 goes pacing back from the recoil, I fired my rifle just as he did I didn't move back a step. Now either I am superman or there's alot of B.S. going on around here! Or maybe some of you guys need to hit the gym ever once in awhile......just a thought!

Positron,

I have a Ruger #1 in 500 nitro. Since the action is strong, I load it with 570 grain bullets out to 2365 ft./sec. It is a pretty good load. Still plenty safe to shoot, just a suggestion.

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All you guys tell are lies, the videos on your forum are all acts this guy John that shoots the 460 goes pacing back from the recoil, I fired my rifle just as he did I didn't move back a step. Now either I am superman or there's alot of B.S. going on around here! Or maybe some of you guys need to hit the gym ever once in awhile......just a thought!

Most of those guys have never shot a rifle before in their lives. They are just guys that Saeed has sucked into trying his elephant rifles...its for amusement and nothing more.

You really gotta lose the attitude. You act sincere for a bit, then like a punk for a bit. Either your a kid with a chip on his shoulder, or you are a troll playing with us for your own amusement!

Canuck

Canuck,

Like my old man would say, He is full of piss and vinegar!!!

Alright some of you guys are sending me private messages I don't know why! Telling me I should calm down or that I don't know anything about rifles. I will say this for the last time, some of you guys on here are full of it. Bottom freaking line there is no rifle that can't be shot accurately and it doesn't take years and thousands of rounds of ammunition to learn to shoot one. If you have been shooting rifles since your childhood and are comfortable shooting there is not much of a transition. You guys act like there is some kind of status to be obtained. I am not a dangerous game hunter. My only interest in big bores is strictly a hobby!!!!!!! Yes some rifles kick hard and it does leave one with some discomfort when one fires a rifle of such power but you don't fall over or lose balance! No I don't have the money like Robgunbuilder or SafariKid, all I was looking for was a cheap way to build a powerful rifle on a gun that I favor.Everyone else blew this thread out of proportion! So stop the hate mail please!!!