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Craig HAS written a few articles on rifles/calibers he did nt care for. Of course, you'll have to take *my* word for it, but the most recent one was centered around a few cartridges that in his view, should be relegated to the ash heap of history. The 300 H&H, 303 Brit were two that come immediately to mind, but there were others. Now back to the original topic, the 375 Weatherby is I think, a very versatile caliber, especially for a "one gun" type safari, especially where longer ranges might be encountered as it flattens out the 375 H&H's trajectory. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Thank you Jorge, Maybe NNN will take your word for it. | |||
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I have a 338 Lapua in a sniper rifle and it is very, very accurate. I have not heard of the 375 Lapua before now. Is it a wildcat or a factory produced round? | |||
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I believe it is a wildcat. - dan "Intellectual truth is eternally one: moral or sentimental truth is a geographic and chronological accident that varies with the individual" R.F. Burton | |||
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In Germany there is a proprietary cartridge called the "9.5mm Tornado." It is exactly and simply the .338 Lapua Magnum necked up to .375. The firm doing this offers a Mauser 98 actioned rifle chambered for it. It may also be called the "9.5x69mm." When the 70mm long .338 Lapua Magnum is necked up in one easy step, it shortens to 69mm, and then you pour in the powder and seat a bullet, and you have finished ammo, assuming you have also primed the case. No fireforming. Ready to go that easily. It only holds 9 grains more water than the .375 Weatherby by Norma (120 vs. 111). It is equal in internal capacity to the .375 RUM, but is shorter, fatter, heavier, thicker in the head. It is not rebated like the .375 RUM. The .375 Lapua would be 2.710"max case length, trim to 2.700", versus the 2.720" of the .338 Lapua. You can also load it to 3.75" COL in a 3.8" box and get extra capacity over the .375 RUM. To do this, get a .375 Weatherby throat, and a slightly longer than .375 Weatherby neck (short neck is the only fault of the .375 Weatherby, like the .375 H&H but both work fine, sort of like the .300 WinMag), fully 0.375" neck length. Then the .338 Lapua case body, with 20 degree shoulder semi-angle, really shines when so necked and throated. It is an "unusually handsome" cartridge, as Gregor Woods might say.  | |||
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Why didn't he say so in the articles? Readers who respect his opinion would certainly want to know what his true opinion is. | |||
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NNN/500groans farted in cyber-space again, and the gas weighed 500 grains. That's a lot of hot, stinky ether. | |||
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500: He did say the calibers in question had "outlived" their usefullness in that they were other calibers that perfomed a better job. I'd like to remember the time/date of the article. He was very specific. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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jorge, There was quite a long running thread on AR (I think it was AR) whereby people were upset with the various calibres that Boddington wanted to junk. Mike | |||
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Maybe we should make an analogy this way: 375 H&H = walking 375 Wby = driving 378 Wby = flying the F16 Walking will get you there - it's been working fine for thousands of years. Driving is faster and more practical in nearly every case. Plus, if you're driving along and you car dies (like you ran out of 375 Wby ammo), you can always get out and walk (by shooting 375 H&H in it). Now, few people have the need for the kind of speed available in the 378 (or any other specialized 375 hot rods). The F16 is expensive to run and you have to have above average abilities to handle it right. If your F16 craps out on you, you probably won't be walking - they are hard to pull over in midair. It's kind of an unrealistic example, I know, but it does serve to show how practical the 375 Wby really is. You can put a .375 bullet into brass of almost any size, but when looking at brass or ammo availability (and even interchangeability), the 375 Wby indeed comes out on top. There are lots of wildcats and proprietary cartridges around. I'd personally like to see the 375 Taylor standardized and chambered in as many factory rifles as the H&H. The 375 Dakota is a superb design, but the price of brass is outrageous. On the other hand, I generally don't like belted brass, so the H&H could use updating to a cleaner, more modern case like the Dakota or 375 Howell, or the 375 Lapua. I wish the corporations would pick one that works though a standard length action and make it the new standard. With current powders and materials, there is no NEED for a magnum-sized action to reproduce traditional 375 H&H performance IMHO. ============================== "I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down" --Fred Durst | |||
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I am not too sure that the price of brass would be that much of an issue. If you look at what it costs to go hunting in say, Alsaka the price of the brass kind of becomes inconsequential. I have a 100 rounds of brass for my 375 Dakota and I doubt that I will have to buy more. i used this rifle in Africa and fired a total of 10 rounds including one shot to check zero. | |||
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People say that all the time, but in reality if you can barely afford the hunt in the first place, the price of brass matters. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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500grains, You are taking my comment too literally. I am just saying that it matters to some a lot more than others. It may not affect the choice of going on a particular hunt (particularly when taken in isolation), but it could warrant serious consideration (ie. it matters). For example, one might ask themselves the question if "Cartridge X" or "Rifle Y" is worth another monthly payment on the loan I took for the hunt, or can I get by with a cheaper standard cartridge/rifle that is probably just as effective? I guess you are saying it only matters if it would trigger a decision to stay at home? People throw that around about a lot of things....eg. why take bushnells on an expensive hunt when you'd be better served by Leica, or why take a factory Remington you already own when you could get a D'Arcy Echols Legend that would serve you better on your $15k hunt, etc, etc. Add up a few of these "extravagances" that you should be able to afford because you are going on an expensive hunt and you could pay for another hunt. Don't forget that there isn't just the $13K moose/grizzly hunt in Alaska to consider...there are $5k elk hunts, $8k grizz hunts, $2.5k black bear hunts, etc, etc, that you might want to do next. I generally pinch pennies wherever I can in order to afford what is my highest priority...the hunt. As an example, I have almost no taxidermy because I have to make a choice between it and spending the money to go on another adventure. And I know there are a lot of guys that have to pinch even more than I do. Maybe you are one of those guys that doesn't understand because you can afford not to understand or care? You know, the type that looks down their nose at 45/70 owners that won't ever be able to afford a double rifle.  Cheers, Canuck | |||
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In my opinion the Dakota calibres, the Weatherby calibres and especially those based on the 378 case from 30/378 through to the 460, 404 Jeffery etc are all calibres for the guns/ammo enthusiast and I don't think the cost of brass affects the issue too much one way or the other. I think just about everyone with any of the above type of calibres whether he is going to shoot elephants or he is going out to blast kangaroos has the brass etc on hand well before the shooting trip.  Mike | |||
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Well , if "cheap" enters the picture , then the Weatherby or other improved .375 still trumps the rest , if you want a high performamnce .375 . You just fireform W-W brass , and easily comvert existing rifles . I have all of $500 invested in my Weatherby , including reamer and dies . The RUM would be a close second for the cheapskates , if you can stomach a M-700 rifle(grin) . | |||
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Just like Canuk said - price matters. There are only a handful of people in the world to whom price truly does not matter. And I'm not one of them  Even Saeed picks up his brass when hunting in Africa, and I'm sure he can afford to buy more...The price of brass directly affects the amount of shooting I do. Brass does wear out. I'd rather save on brass and spend that 'extra' couple hundred bucks on new boots or more bullets, etc - things that will really make or break a hunt. I'd rather hunt more with that money. All those little expenses add up fast. I pinch pennies in non-critial areas, or I don't go. You can shoot a 375 H&H fairly cheaply, if you reload and make rifle/component choices smartly. A cartridge has to be significantly better in order to justify added expenses here. ============================== "I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down" --Fred Durst | |||
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I just ordered my reamer from Dave Manson. A charming lady took my order and I am on my way to the wonderfull world of fast .375´s. It started out with wanting to shamefacedly copy the performance of Saeed´s .375/404 but with the versatility of being able to fire .375 H&H ammo. Thanks to RIP and Lawndart for the help and I´ll be sure to post more as the project progresses. | |||
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JohnAir, Bravo!  | |||
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You guys got me all excited!!! I want to rechamber my rifle now from H&H to Wby but who does this kind of work in Canada. More precisely, who has the right reamer to do the job? Enigma | |||
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Enigma, What part of Canada? | |||
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Hi Canuck, I'm in Manitoba but I'm ready to ship my gun anywhere in Canada if needed. I checked on Prairie Gun Works Web-Site to see if they would have the reamer only to discover that they only have a 375 Ack Imp reamer... Enigma | |||
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Very interesting. I have a dilemma- DO I need to fill a gap between a 300 win. mag and a .416 rem? If I choose a .375 H&H/Weatherby does the .416 rem beecome obsolete? | |||
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I've just finished my second 375 Weatherby. I decomissioned the first one 5 years ago and really missed the cartridge. Has anyone worked up loads with 270 grain bullets using Reloadeer 19. I'm thinking this would be a great powder for the 270 grain TSX's. My rifle is built on a model 70 with a 26 inch super match grade Pac Nor barrel bedded in an HS Precission stock. I put on a Pachmyer F990 recoil pad so it will be a soft shooter. It weighs in at 9 lbs with a scope. Just about perfect. Take care, Dave | |||
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When I built my personal 375 H&H I kicked around the idea of the Wheatherby. I decided to go with the H&H purely from the fact that it is more traditional and if I ever choose to sell the rifle it would re-sale better in 375 H&H. I've owned that rifle 10 years now and fired one shot thru it, Just one. About time to get some blood on that one, anybody want to go hunting? Timan | |||
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470 MBOGO, I am playing around with 4350 in that application. Going well so far. I will try some RL-19 and report back after the weather cools a bit. It should work well. It would be the moral equivalent of 225 grain bullets out of a 338 Win Mag. LD  | |||
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Brooks Range, The 375 Weatherby (or 9.3 x 70) would cover both the 300 Win Mag and 416 bases nicely. For the thick stuff though, there is something comforting about 400 grains at 2,400 fps. My dilema is do I rebarrel this Winchester classic 7mm STW in 375 Weatherby or 416 RemMag. Life is hard, and full of hard choices. LD | |||
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TIMAN, We are having an invasion of Californians here in Idaho. I hear the 375 Weatherby is good on SUV's. LD | |||
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I like Boddington but as I recall it was in fact Jack O'Conner who like the 375 Weatherby as well and lamentaed its passsing. I know Boddington has a thing for 375s in general. I bought my 375 H&H just because I could get to a Weatherby and still shoot standard if I chose. Adding versatility is great. | |||
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After I saw this, I figured- 375 H&H -walking a couple kms on a summer night to your mates house for beer and BBQ.. 375 WBY - driving to his house and then not being able to drive home 'cos you had too many, leaving your car there and having to go back for it the next day, only to find it was towed for being parked in a non-park zone - big ball ache! 378WBY - flying an F16 right over your friends house, watching the BBQ, missing the beer, not finding anywhere to land, only to realise it was completely unecessary to try fly your F16, you should have just walked in the first place, and had a great time!!  | |||
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Enter the 375 Ruger. Perhaps the most practical of all? NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Thanks Lawndart! You finally came uip with a usaeful target for a 375 Weatherby. Now I must get one. 465H&H | |||
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Well, this thread is still alive. Hopefully anyone looking at it will disregard the crap from Dan and George. I have edited nothing in this thread. Others have done the same edit and delete routine that Yoda did on the Sheephunter thread, before going over to the dark side. They know who they are.  Anyway, back to the .375 Wby. It lives. Regardless of whether Craig Boddinton's Uncle Art Popham loved it or not. I do not aspire to an Echols Legend in .375 Weatherby. Not at all, since a rechambered Winchester M70 Classic Stainless and a CZ 550 Magnum work so well and can be perfected with some smithing and aftermarket parts galore. I do hear the call for building one like Dave470Mbogo just did. I would just like to add: 500grains is a liar/lawyer and a jerk (Craig Boddington said so), and so may this thread live on forever in infamy. | |||
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470 Mbogo got me thinking about a 26" barreled .375 Weatherby. I don't have one. I still see no need to do anything but a 12" twist, though a 10" twist might be considered. My Pre-64 M70 in .375 H&H with Brown Precision "Pounder" stock is slated for a rebarrel. That's the rifle on the Botswana "Kopje Top" below. The action, original finish, is beginning to show quite a bit of bluing wear, since it is a 1958 model that has been in my sweaty, gritty hands since 1988. Time to refinish. Two inches more barrel will not upset the balance much at all. It will still be close to 7 pounds bare/empty, with No.3 contour stainless barrel, and it will still shoot .375 H&H factory ammo accurately in a pinch. Thus one has the choice of 300 grainers at either 2400 fps or 2800 fps, as need be: THE MOST VERSATILE BIG GAME RIFLE IN THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT Q: Who needs a .375 H&H if he has a .375 Weatherby? A: Not me. But I will save the fireformed .375 H&H brass for use in the old Mark X with the light bullet loads it likes so well. | |||
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I've got a couple H&Hs but admit I've always been intrigued with the Wby. A local judge has an early Weatherby FN, a gorgeous rifle, but emphatically not for sale (I've tried hard). Another friend has a nice customized ZKK rechambered to Wby he will sell, all it takes is money. Maybe.  NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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Forrest, That ZKK would be the choice, IMHO, unless you are into the collector value of the original FN .375 Weatherby. The ZKK would be the "shooter." Maybe you need both of them? If you go back to the first post on this thread that went to hell and back, you will see the 25" barrel velocities of a CZ 550 rechambered to .375 H&H. You can load the bullets out to 3.75" COL and get 5 or 6 in the box of the BRNO ZKK 602, same box length as the CZ. That would be a fine "Stealth Weatherby" as lawndart puts it. The featherweight .375 would best be done with the .375 Ruger on an FN Mauser or Ruger Mark II, something else to look forward to. Maybe I should make the new .375 Weatherby barrel a No.4 and add a half pound or thereabouts? | |||
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The Hornady cylindrical H&H basic brass makes excellent full length .375 Weatherby brass. Size it in the regular .375 Weatherby die, anneal it, trim it, and you are ready for full house loads. That brass has only an "H" on the headstamp, otherwise blank, so ".375 Wby" could be easily engraved. Or stock up on Norma made .375 Weatherby brass with the new headstamp. | |||
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Hello 500 grains, After Craig used the 416 Weatherby in Africa, he sold it as soon as he got back to the US. I have known Craig for quite a few years and he told me the recoil of the 416 was awful and was thrilled to sell it. He did not in any way sat the round was bad but was honest about the recoil. Problem is Boddington never saw a product or caliber he didn't like. Personally I find an objective evaluation more useful.[/QUOTE] | |||
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Boddington is the most prolific wordsmith in his field. He occasionally writes some good stuff. I get quickly bored with a lot of his stuff, but there are some shining jewels in all the pulp. Like his piece on the .375 Weatherby. | |||
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Not me. I don't need either. But, I got a deal (nearly stole it) on an A-Bolt Stainless Stalker (yes...yes.....I know....) and never fired a round from the H&H chamber. I handed it over to my smith, at once. Now I have an 8 1/2 lb. "do-it-all-anywhere" piece. Figger it ought be about the berries for elk or bear or swamp donkey or even whitetails for practice. When it comes to my guns, when was it ever a question of "need"????  Founder....the OTPG | |||
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