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Chuck, have you shot a .375 H&H or a .375 RUM also? I have only shot a 375 H&H and factory loads from a .375 RUM. I am guessing that the .375 Wea. kicks a bit less the .375 RUM factory loaded, in which case most experienced shooters should be able to handle it. I have never fired a .416 rem mag., so I can't say which I'd prefer. | |||
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Mike375, Dakota had zero in inventory and spoke in generalities of "6 months to a year" when I visited them in person , Jan. 2005. As for the other actions, I'll just hold out for a Dakota or use a CZ. smallfry, It seems the stainless 76 was imagineered in the Dakota/Nesika Bay honeymoon period. Now that reality has set in post honeymoon, they have called it off. No stainless 76 on the horizon at all. It fell off the edge of the flat earth at Dakota Arms. | |||
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Chuck and Lefty To me , the recoil from the Weatherby is tough to tell from the warmer H&H loads ......this in a re-chambered rifle with same weight , stocking , etc. Despite the straight classic stocks being all the rage these days, I find the mild weatherby style like the old push feed Winchesters handle recoil very well for me........ | |||
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No one has explained their theory of why the increased velocity of a 375 Weatherby would be better for dangerous game. While it is well accepted that 2600 fps out of a 460 wby is not better on DG than 2300 fps out of a 458 Lott, the same should be true in .375 caliber as well. Ron, have you shot any DG in Africa with a .375 Wby, or is this merely a hypothetical discussion? | |||
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500, In principle Saeed has shot a lot of DG in Africa with 375 Wby ballistics and what is more he takes a pair of them. The fact that he takes a pair of them is a strong endorsement of a lack of short falls for the calibre. If 2300 is the way to go then that would make the H&H factory ammo better when fired from the 375 Wby chamber. Mike | |||
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Thank you Mike375, Please handle anymore questions to me by persona non grata. Just do your best and I am sure it will be more than the twit deserves. | |||
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My recoil comparisons come from shooting both H&H ammo and improved stuff side by side in improved chambers. Felt recoil is a subjective thing, and I found the "improved" version objectionable. Especially the percieved recoil velocity. The 416 doesn't seem to recoil as quickly. If that makes sense. I've never shot the RUM. Chuck | |||
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Mike375, Help this twit. His skull is thick and full of mush. I will be eternally grateful if you can get him to understand one idea that is not a preconceived notion pulled out of his nether region. Shameless, lonely bore that he is, he just won't quit talking to me. Pitiful! | |||
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And once again, if the 375 wby is better than the H&H, then isn't the 378 wby better than the 375 wby? You guys are evading this question 500, The 378 carries a couple of disadvantages as compared to the 375 Wby. Firstly is the inability to fire 375 H&H ammo. Secondly is the limitation on rifles suitable for use with the 378. Magazine capacity That will do for starters. Mike | |||
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500, I am unable to see how my last post evades your question. It is really very simple. The 375 Wby can provide more velocity than the 375 H&H and that potential increase in velocity exceeds what the increase in case capacity would suggest due to powder suitability. Alternatitiely it can be loaded to any level of H&H ballistics. It can use 375 H&H factory ammo. In short, it covers a wider territory than does the standard H&H but loses nothing in the process. The 378 is a totally different ball game. Mike | |||
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Mike375, Thanks for trying. I fear it is hopeless. Let it go. Let him continue to make a fool of himself. Enjoy a good laugh.  | |||
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500Grains. I'm sure for buff a 450 barnes X going at 2700 FPS will do the job just fine. You think so? | |||
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SO WHAT? I have read these pages seeing all the virtues expounded on.... I have seen this virtuoso go from the best violin solo to a stringed quartette.... The flucuations back an forth are hard to follow for a deep thinker and even agrumentative within the same poster! Now we need seven shots?? Egad! If even half of the attributes of the .375 Double Venturi are true in all this info that almost reads antonymous at times; then a Ruger #1 should suffice just fine! Is there a hidden deep lack of confidence here? Seven shots? Fill me in, my head is swimming! RIP, I do like your throat configuration. "The throat is the 'heart' to a gun's accuracy." | |||
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No lack of confidence. I just like loading on Sunday and shooting one head of game per day, and only having to reload once per week. You don't have to worry so much about spare ammo in various carriers. More than enough is right there in the rifle. Etc. Actually not such an indispensable feature, the SEVEN-SHOOTER .375 Wby, but nicely and easily done on a CZ 550 Magnum. Cheap and easy. More than anyone would ever need, both for single shot or fusilade. | |||
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300 grains at 2740 fps at lower pressure than max load .375 H&H. 5000 ft.lbs X 7 = 35,000 ft.lbs weekly.  | |||
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500, I do not understand your failure to grasp the simple point that the 375 Wby allows for higher velocity as compared to the 375 H&H while at the same time retaining the practicality of the 375 H&H. In addition if we add Saeeds experience which I think you would agree is considerable then he has established via the 375 Lazzeroni that such velocities as the 378 can do are producing negatives. But even if Saeed's testing/observations are false the 378 brings with it problems that are not associated with the 375 Wby. The 375 Ultra is currently limited to the Rem 700 and rifles such as HS Precision and many shooters rightly or wrongly do not want push feeds and conversion of existing 375 H&Hs to 375 RUMs obviously involves gunsmithing of a more complex nature and hence the potential for a fucked up rifle. The same situation applies to the 375 Dakota and in addition the Dakota has expensive brass of whose quality is often open to debate. I think the basic the point RIP is making is that the 375 Wby is better than the 375 H&H as the so called all around one calibre for the world and for the very simple reason it affords extra velocity over the H&H without bringing on board various difficulties. In addition if the new owner of the 375 Wby finds the recoil too much and also at the same time decides to give up handloading he can use 375 H&H factory ammo. Then if for some magical reason the ABC brand of 375 H&H factory ammo gives magical results but only gives those results when fired at the specific velocity generated when fired in a 375 H&H chamber then our new 375 Wby owner can rebarrel back to 375 H&H....a far easier situation than if he had gone down the 375 Dakota/RUM or 378 road. Mike | |||
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With the bullets available today I think the 378 is possibly better than the 375Wby from a game killing standpoint. But, the recoil is just too much for most hunters to deal with, so it's all for nothing. | |||
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500, All those conversions and or actions etc are a far more expensive and complex operation than a rechamber of an existing 375 H&H to 375 Wby. I have no idea how the 378 compares to lesser 375s unless you want to talk about roos, pigs, goats and emus  Saeed has said several times that his penetration and general results were inferior with the 375 Lazerroni and he seems to have settled on his 375/404s being loaded to 375 Wby ballistics. Apart from the vast number of animals he has shot we also know that he is not continually using 375 Wby ballistics due to economic reasons.  But even if the additional velocity of the 378 is better you are still missing the point of the various trade offs. For example, someone with a CZ 375 or M70 375 or Mark X 375, which along with the Ruger make up a huge percentage of the 375s out there can easily have them rechambered to 375 Wby. Talking about Granite, Hein and converting P14s to 378 Wby is another world altogether not to mention the problem of undoing such moves if the 378 recoil proves to be too much for the the new owner. So to try and make it as clear as possible for you, even if the 378 Wby is superior to the 375 Wby, the 378 Wby is not a viable option for most shooters as compared to the 375 Wby either on a cost or recoil basis or both. Mike | |||
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Mike, It almost appears that the 375 Weatherby is to the 375 H&H like the 458 Lott is to the 458 Winchester Magnum. Not to suggest that the 375 H&H has ever suffered any issues like the 458 has in years past. Just an observation. ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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Longbob, Funny you should mention that as I was going to use that analogy for 500 Grains Mike | |||
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Mike, You could take it a step further and point out that the 460 Weatherby is no more effective than the 458 Lott as the 378 Weatherby is no more effective than the 375 Weatherby under similar circumstances....... ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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Thank you, John S Longbob Mike375 The Nattering Naybob of Negativism is just trolling.  Beating a dead horse here. Ignore it and maybe it will go have a hissy fit somewhere else. | |||
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RIP, If I remember correctly, you were working on a 450 Lapua or something. What ever became of that? It seemed like an interesting round to me. ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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500 Grains, You are still not getting it. Firstly the general thrust on the 375 Wby centres around rechambering existing 375 rifles. As Longbob said is has many similarities to the 458 Win and 458 Lott situation. Other costs you have not included are 378 ammo/cases Vs 375 H&H. You might also like to include the cost of a muzzle brake. The conversion of the CZ from 375 to 378 as a functioning rifle might be more involved than you are suggesting. If memory serves me right Old Sarge converted a BRNO or CZ 458 to 450 Rigby and I don't think it was all smooth sailing. As someone who has been and is very involved with 378s the recoil, especially if some precision is the goal, is way too much for most shooters because either: 1) They simply can't deal with it or 2) They are not prepared to deal with it. Before they moved to the heavier barrels with the Wby KDF type brake they use to be nick named "the horse" at Wby. I have already said to you that even if the 378 is better than the 375 Wby it simply does not fit into the average gun owners makeup. And if Saeed had to use solids then obviously that would compromise the 378s killing ability compared to a 375 Wby with expanding bullets. In a nutshell, the 375 Wby allows the 375 bore to have a velocity for the same SD bullets of the 338 Winchester, a wider range of powders for reloading, while retaining the ability to use standard 375 H&H ammunition and brass and in conjuntion with a very simple conversion. If the 378 Wby when loaded with solids that are loaded backwards, sideways or whatever you want to do with them is superior to the 375 Wby that is fine, but it is irrelevant to the context of converting 375 H&Hs to 375 Wbys or having 375 Wby made up instead of a 375 H&H. Mike | |||
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I don't think I have my analogies mixed up at all. The 458 Lott is between the 460 Weatherby and the 458 Win Mag. Much like the 375 Weatherby is between the 378 Weatherby and the 375 H&H. The 458 Lott, 458 Win Mag, 375 Weatherby, and 375 H&H can use the same size action. The 460 and 378 Weatherby use a much larger action. The more I think about it, the more I feel the analogy applies. ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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500 Grains Actually there is one very big difference between the 458 Lott Vs 460 Wby and 375 Wby Vs 378 Wby. That difference is recoil. The 458 Lott is already up in the big time recoil and is still big recoil when using 458 Win. In addition, a 378's big set of tits are its 7mm Mag and 300 Mag velocities and hence trajectory and hence long range. In addition, the selection of the 378 Wby automatically rules a lot of rifles out that some people like eg, Rem 700s, Sakos, M70s, Wby Vanguard/Howa. Mike | |||
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500grains, I've quoted myself for posterity sake... ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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Longbob, I see that NNN is trying to put your words into my mouth. It is a good analogy which he is trying to twist bassackwards for hissy fit purposes. You are better off just ignoring it. As to the 45 Lapua, yes I have two of them. Both are CZ 550 Magnums. One is a rebarreled .416 Rigby with a McGowen stainless 1:12" twist 22" barrel. The other is a rechambered .458 WinMag that had its boltface opened up, so 25" 1:14" twist, IIRC. I have done a .338 Lapua and a .378 Wby on the CZ 550 Magnum also. The 45 Lapua with the 22" McGowen barrel will do 2443 fps with 100 gr of RL-15 and 500 grain Hornady RNSP. No pressure signs That same load in the 25" CZ barrel will do 2483 fps. No pressure signs. Maybe Varget or H4350 Extreme would do better velocity wise in these rifles with greater charges, but the current loads are good ones. I might be interested in a .375 Lapua and a .423 Lapua down the road, but for practicality and altogether sufficient killing, the .375 Weatherby is tops, especially when it will carry 6 or seven cartridges fully loaded, and deliver 5000 to 6200 ft.lbs.(300 grainers at 2740 t0 2800 fps) per shot. I like 5000 ft.lbs., at lower pressures than the .375 H&H delivers 4200 ft.lbs at, with a red face and cheeks puffed, .375 Huffin' & Hurtin'. The 22" 45 Lapua is 4 down plus one. The 25" barreled 45 Lapua is still 3 down plus one. To Weatherby or not to Weatherby, that is the question. If one has to ask why, then one don't want to know. | |||
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RIP, Thanks for the info about the 45 Lapua. It is interesting that you mention a DGR rifle holding 6 or 7 rounds. Not only is the firepower handy, it is also a good way to add weight to a rifle, IMHO. The weight is right in the middle of the rifle (center of gravity) and doesn't affect the handling. Plus, it is heaviest with the first shot which reduces the recoil. If you are shooting anymore after that, then your adrenilin is up and you won't feel the next few. For you panties that like a lighter rifle, just exercise a little bit more and drop that extra lead off of your ass. ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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Ja, I like my .375 H&H's to weigh less than 7 lbs. Real rifles like the .375 Weatherby are great at slightly over 9 lbs. Then you add 3/4 pound of ammo between your hands. | |||
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500grains, So, you can shoot a 450 No. 2 out of a 458 Lott if you can't find any ammo for your Lott and the 450 No. 2 would be more common in a bind in Africa? Same goes for the compatibility of the 375 flanged and the 375 H&H. I guess I learn something everyday. Thanks for the clarification. I was all wrong. ___________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy crap...what a ride!" | |||
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Longbob, You are slaying me. NNN needs to throw down that shovel.  | |||
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500 Grains, Would you care to list the negatives of the 375 Wby as compared to the 375 H&H. Just to help you I will eliminate somethings that are not negatives but often would be negatives when we move up in case capacity. 1) Extra recoil is not a problem because you can shoot H&H ammo. The case is not so much bigger than the H&H that loading back to H&H is a big deal. 2) Brass costs the same as it uses the H&H brass. 3) If you are a believer in the 2400 f/s number then you have that with H&H factory ammo. 4) You can roll your 375 H&H factory ammo in the mud and will probably still chamber OK. One negative I can think of is that if you got a Purdey or H&H done in 375 Wby I imagine the resale value might be down. Mike | |||
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Mike375, You are whoopin' his ass in every round. I think we could call a TKO and end this, but the idiot won't quit!. It is shameful, the thrashing the idiot is taking here, but it is well deserved. Just punch him in the throat if he comes back for more, and wear your brass knuckles. Three chamfer sharpened .375 Weatherby cases between your fingers should do the dirty. | |||
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Dan McCarty: He has not admitted that he is a liar. He has not retracted his lies and apologized. He has only said that he would not mention his lies out of deference to his buddy George who is trying to moderate here. Dan McCarty deserves worse than he has been getting here. He may repent and be forgiven, or he may go to hell.  Thats Barq with a bite root beer. | |||
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The .375 Wby has been "tops" for hunting one troll in particular. This just goes to show how versatile it is, both in the game field and in cyber space. How stupid can a punk be? To think he can make up lies and get away with it. A retraction is in order. I don't care about any apology from a character like this, as it would be meaningless given his lack of integrity. Two issues. 1. Repeated accusations that I am drunk on alcohol whenever it is only 500groans' goose that has been cooked on a thread. 2. The audacity to start working on another lie in the midst of this thread ... he posted it and then erased it, thinking I had not seen it: Loss of hospital privileges? Total bull shit. LIAR LIAR LIAR: Dan McCarty AKA 500grains. | |||
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500 Grains, You have just nicely stated one of the cases for the 375 Wby. Factory H&H ammo for DG and full loads for your long range scenarios. You have not listed the negatives of the 375 Wby. Mike | |||
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I think 500 missed or glossed over this post by Ray Quote "I would not have been impressed with any 375 powerhouse for buffalo at one time, but I always considered the 375 H&H a good buffalo caliber and still do...anything faster was just hype... HOWEVER, after seeing about 30 or 40 Buffalo killed with Saeeds 375/404 about the same as a 375 Wby, I have to say I have been impressed, it certainly kills buffalo as well as any caliber including the 500s as far as I can tell, and it kills them fast.... With the advent of monolithic bullets the whole picture has taken on a new meaning where velocity is concerned and the internal damage of a 375/404 is something to behold..." Unquote It seems to me like 30 or 40 buffalo is a pretty good sample and Ray's observations along with Saeed's vast experience makes a dam good recomendation for .375 Weatherby type ballistics.. I have seen John S mention the same thing , a little extra velocity seems to hammer the big stuff better , and I think John is a no BS sort of person. | |||
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Making good sense,guys, except for NNN. No libel, lies, or fashion statements from anybody but him. Everybody is a straight shooter except NNN. No pity here either, not even for NNN who wants it most. NNN = Dan McCarty = 500groans Barq with a bite root beer. | |||
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