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Hello All, I have read in a French forum that the French company Verney Caron introduced during last German IWA a new 375 rimed for its DB. I don't have any picture or further information excepted that it should be faster than the venerable H&H rimless and based on a new specific case. Does someone hear somethinabout it? | ||
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Let me guess-- approximately based on or very similar to the 500/416. DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Let me see.... A French .375, hmmmmmm. There has got to be a joke in there somewhere... Maybe - "It shoots but does not kill, it kisses" Or - "It shoots only between 10am and 2pm, the rest of the time, it is resting, loving, or eating." Possibly - "It cannot be shot in German made rifles, too much tension?" Ok, help for the next joke... | |||
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Special surrender cartridge: falls harmlessly to the ground a short distance from muzzle if gun is actually fired in anger.
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Only works for shooting things off the bistros along the "Champs-Élysées" ?? | |||
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Oh yes it kills, so it must be of yankee origin!  | |||
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The rifle is a front loader and stocked with the muzzles at the rear, so that it can only fire while moving backwards. Rich | |||
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must be shock-proof so when a Frenchman drops it, it doesn't crack? | |||
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I just found it... It is called the 375 Rugier... and apparently it's in trouble    577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Only two different loads I hear. One bullet is encpasilated wine the other encapsulated perfume.  Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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Oui Monsieur, give me cowardice.... or give me cowardice!
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You mean the French are still allowed to own a gun???  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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If I remember my world history, the French included the right to hunt in their constitution after the French Revolution. Every Frenchman I've ever met here has been a gun owner and shooter. George | |||
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Yeah - that Napolean Dude never kicked any ass ... | |||
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Does anyone else think it is strange that all the tall french men were killed fighting for napoleon? Now the french are shorter due to the loss of the tall genes that did not pass on. So maybe the new 375 french cart is short and has a Napoleon complex. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Napoleon was Corsican. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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Believe me...I hope they are. That country has become very left-wing the last decade. I have a couple of French veterinarian friends. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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A .375 bullet should be loaded into the 450/400 3" brass now that Ruger is marketing that brass. As to it being French, well they take a lot of heat for being the way they are, and they deserve it. But I'll bet there are many Fench people who would like to openly be Ronald Reagan / George W. Bush endorsers. Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Would that be a rimmed 375 Saeed? 375 flanged, 300 @ 2400 450/375, 300 @ 2500? Might as well get a double in 375 HH
577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Last decade? Nobody does left like the french do left for about the past 100 years. Their communist party only recently faded into the trash heap of history and gave ground to the socialists. If anything, France has moved right in the last decade. For them, it was a hard right, too. Back on topic: Will the 375 Rugier be chambered in the Chauchat? Will there be a .375/8mm Lebel wildcat. Will be forced to use metric headstamps for it? | |||
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Don't worry the Germans bred the height back into them in 1871, 1914-1918 and 1940-1944. | |||
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Oh my GOD! Anther unnecessary 375, here we go again another 375Ruger debate.  | |||
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Okay, now if we are done bashing the French, does anyone have any information on the cartridge in question? I am curious why Verney-Carron might develop a new .375 cartridge and not just go with the .375 flanged. P.S Did any of you morons notice that the guy who asked the question was from France. I'll bet he feels real welcome here. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Oh snap!
577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Yes it was the Corsican Empire which ruled Europe under Napolean ... | |||
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Gents Pretty sure it was a French company or group "THALES" that just brought out our major gun powder plants in Australia. It was known as Australian Defence Industries - ADI, Now they are calling themselves THALES Australia. Now here's the twist, they have a financial or ownership link with Hodgdon powders So does it suprise me...........not really, But I would have thought, having big military contracts might mean the round could be more military specific So if it's correct how do you want your eggs on you face, sunny side up or hard boiled ? .Sounds to me like the French are ready to stand up and be counted in the Firearm industry, good or bad You guys better do some digging, find out if it's true or not. regards S&F | |||
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YOU, on the other hand; had best stock up today. The prices there are about to double, mate! Rich | |||
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Rich Too Late, powders are literally being made down the road, I know people that work there and it's actually cheaper to buy the imported Alliant (Reloader) powders French company is screwing us already. We are now paying $45 Aus ($41 US) for 500grams (1.1 lbs) regards S&F | |||
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There is nothing on Verny-Carron's web site about this. Where has anyone read about this "new" cartridge? _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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It`s only in US hunting is considerd for rightwing/republicans. Thanks to the french revolution hunting became a resuorce for the people in Sweden. In the northern of Sweden many of the hunters are liberals, socialists or even comunists. (even some greenies hunt to) | |||
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That is media propaganda. Never in your wettest dream will any Olympic shooting sports be covered in USA either. Same media. Since the world has gone global, it will be interesting to see if Sweden changes or that life style is showcased for the rest of the world to see and adopt. I assume you can own/collect all the guns you want in Sweden? And can carry concealed handguns any where any time in Sweden? Sweden has this right clearly spelled out and un contested in their constitution? | |||
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Oh, I am dying to hear you explain this! Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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In fear for a revolution the king and aristocrats gave more rights to the people and a democratic governtment, including hunting that was only for aristocrats before. | |||
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No we have to specify a area of collection example(Husqvarna guns). It is not a right to wear arms it is a permit. On tv we have seen biathlon a couple a weeks ago (one gold medal). We havn`t any good shooters sence Pia Hansen doubble trap and Ragnar Skanåker pistol was at their top. So they dont show it on tv. Most people live in towns and are not hunters. The goventment is koncervativ/republican. | |||
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Ken Buch at KEBCO just returned this past Tuesday from several days in France with the fine Verney-Carron folks. He was mentioning to me in passing about this new cartridge, it's recoil, etc.. I told Ken "the pioneers get the arrows" and didn't pay much attention. I will be talking to Ken this morning, tell him of this thread and ask him to enlighten us. Deo Vindice, Don Sons of Confederate Veterans Black Horse Camp #780 | |||
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I have seen the cartridge and fired a prototype gun. The case is big, much larger than the 375 flannged mag. Because of extraction problems with belted cases in double rifles my understanding is that it was designed to rechamber a 375 H&H belted case to a rimmed version to solve the extraction/ejection problems that some guns have. V-C told me that they are getting several hundred feet per second faster than the H&H with less pressure. However because this is a big case and not all H&H chambered guns will be safe to rechamber because of barrel taper at the chamber. V-C is waiting on C.I.P. to finish writing up the specifications before it will be commercially offered. On a side note I found the recoil to be very manageable and seemed to come straight back with almost no muzzle rise. Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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Whether allowed or not, they have them. The French pay no attention whatsoever to their laws! "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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Ken: Is the new case based on any existing case like perhaps a .470 case necked down to .375 like the .500/.416? Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Not sure, I have a dummy round and a fired case but have not had time to look closely. The case has almost straight walls with a bottle neck at the very top. Looks like many improved cases with a rim. Ken DRSS, PP Chapter Life NRA Life SCI Life DSC | |||
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