Bande de connards !

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Originally posted by Kebco:
Not sure, I have a dummy round and a fired case but have not had time to look closely.
The case has almost straight walls with a bottle neck at the very top. Looks like many
improved cases with a rim.

Come on Ken, slap the calipers on that brass and give us length, base diameter, rim diam.
and rim thickness! We are quite CURIOUS!!!

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Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
We are quite CURIOUS!!!

Naaah, only a few of us are curious, the rest would rather bag the French & have a bitching snarling session. I'm curious though so, yes please Ken, make with calipers & put those few of us out of our misery.
Steve

.375rum,376steyr,375ruger,375blaser is it room for more?

The only new .375 i´ve seen at the IWA was a 9,5x70 based on a 338Lapua, loaded with 330grs highBC Solid bullets launched at 2900fps.

Best
2RECON

....ok, not a "rimmed" one

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Originally posted by fourbore:

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It`s only in US hunting is considerd for rightwing/republicans.

That is media propaganda. Never in your wettest dream will any Olympic shooting sports be covered in USA either. Same media. Since the world has gone global, it will be interesting to see if Sweden changes or that life style is showcased for the rest of the world to see and adopt.

I assume you can own/collect all the guns you want in Sweden? And can carry concealed handguns any where any time in Sweden? Sweden has this right clearly spelled out and un contested in their constitution?

Doh! So that wasnt biathalon I watched all week?
As far as a new 375 there will be another me too 375 but I doubt there will be anything new about it. If there is good on them.

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Doh! So that wasn't biathlon I watched all week?

No doubt about it, I dont watch enough TV. I stand corrected. Thank for not hoisting the BS! flag.

I was never a big TV guy, and after I typed that line, I was wondering if it would stand up.

I did see some hunting on one of the cable stations one time, so; I guess it still is all out there if you look. Kinda remained me of that mutual of omaha series years ago.

I will be watching this afternoon, I have a sick feeling in my gut regarding the US economy, my retirement in shrinking US dollars more stock mkt wild swings and now a certain pending big vote for a national health care program.

As for the french 375, sure I am curious too.

And although I don't own either, I was surprised Hornady chose the 9.3R over the 375R? But with the 450/400 in the mix, I am not complaining - Hornady did good.

T'es un peu dur Grandveneur (+ que sur SPN

Just for no stupid interested guys

http://www.facebook.com/photo....=159356103838&ref=mf

Compliments of translate.google.com

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Bande de connards !

Band of assholes!

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T'es un peu dur Grandveneur (+ que sur SPN

You're a little hard Grandveneur (+ on SPN

And finally the much awaited photo, compliments of REY375


I will take the, nicely tapered for easy extraction, 100 year old classic,375 H&H Flanged, thank you.

Lets try this one more time for those that did not see my original post. The original design was to have a rimmed cartridge bigger than the belted 375 H&H so that guns chambered for the belted H&H that had extraction/ejection problems could be rechambered to a case with a rim. This case is designed for double rifles or single shots and not to compete with rimless cases or to run through bolt trash. The 375 flanged case is too small to clean up the belted 375 chamber. Now if you want a new made double in the 375R V-C or 375 Flanged mag give me a call, I will happy to fix you up with either one.

375R V-C
Case length 2.86"
Rim thickness .06
Rim diameter .62
case diameter just above the rim .54
case diameter just below the shoulder .52

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Originally posted by Kebco:

375R V-C
Case length 2.86"
Rim thickness .06
Rim diameter .62
case diameter just above the rim .54
case diameter just below the shoulder .52

close to the 450 NE base of .545,
or a rimmed 425WR (base .54),
or a rimmed 375RUM

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Originally posted by Kebco:

375R V-C
Case length 2.86"
Rim thickness .06
Rim diameter .62
case Diameter Just Above the Rim .54
case diameter just below the shoulder .52

Now, take a look at 450/400 3" brass.
C.L. = 3"
R.Thk. = .06" I think
R.D. = .613" in COTW
D.J.O.R = .545

So I ask, can the HORNADY made 450/400 brass be used in the V-C chambering?

Its close.
just measured a Horandy 450-400
Rim thickness .058
rim diameter .61
case diameter above the rim .54

If they wuz smart theyda dun a 3" with more taper and shallower shoulder than a 2.85" at the same capacity.

It looks like a 375 Weatherby in a different shape.

How much pressure (per CIP)?

I may have misswd it (I was busy putting shootaway on ignore on this computer) but did you mention how many ms of velocity?

CIP has not finished writing the specifications. Factory tests have shown several hundred fps faster than the H&H belted case with less pressure.

Looks like it might go pretty good necked up to 416.
Steve

Hey Guy's

Razz the French all you want.
When I was in Paris and stopped at a gun shop,
they had suppressors sitting on the counter, you could buy them like accessories.
Now that is educated and civilized, none of this class 3 crap.
So we could learn a thing or two from them.
Just my 2c.

Nitro450exp

PS: The Beretta store was cool too, a few DR's to drool over.

REY375, we owe you an appology, but it seems like you got your opinion in, so we can leave it alone.

I think this cartridge is well suited for just what it was intended for. With that being said, I doubt anyone here will ever own one. Does someone have a belted 375 double that needs cleaning up? But it's good to see a cartridge that fills a need.

Yes the French, and most parts of Europe, have that supressor law figured out. The US really needs to get it's sh!t together again with it's law making. No politics need be discussed, but where have we gone with our anti-constitution mentality? Keep the change!

That first rifle in picture 39/80 has one of the most beautiful stocks I have ever seen...and that damasicus steel work rifle is exquisit! Thanks REY!

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I think this cartridge is well suited for just what it was intended for.

If we are being asked for an opinion, I like too respectfully disagree.

I think it would have been better designed with more body taper. First for easy extraction. And second as prior stated, this shoulder width may not be suitable for all barrels.

This cartridge was designed to be more powerful than the H&H, and will therefor change the regulation of the barrels. It would make more sense to me, if the true purpose was to re chamber 375 belted H&H doubles with extraction problems, too duplicate the H&H ballistics. Obviously what the gun owner wanted in first place. Less cost - less hassle.

my 4c adjusted for future infaltion, and IMHO only.

Who wants 300 @ 2700 in a double rifle?

If I want that fast of a load I would want it in an accurate single shot or bolt but most likely a bolt action.

boom load it with 350-380gr instead.

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CIP has not finished writing the specifications. Factory tests have shown several hundred fps faster than the H&H belted case with less pressure.

Well, that will take some volume since nothing is free in the world of internal ballistics.

Also, I think your idea is a good one. Thirty to forty years ago a lot of people were making double rifles out of .375 H&H, 458 Win Mag, etc. Rimless cartridges in a double rifle will fail sooner or later.

A long time ago I was priveledged to train with a Foreign Legion Para detachment. Good guys, and the government subsidized la chat, as well.

Lawndart

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Thirty to forty years ago a lot of people were making double rifles out of .375 H&H, 458 Win Mag, etc. Rimless cartridges in a double rifle will fail sooner or later.

This has always been my gut feeling, yet Ruger No1 seems to be working out ok.

It would seem, once again, the new and improved is not so improved (belted mags in singles and doubles) and good old flanged rounds still have a place.

For this unique, repair application, I wonder if "EXPERT" tig welding could be used to build up inside the barrel where cut away for the belt and then rechamber to 375R.

I have always wondered about using the belted .375 H&H in a double rifle as well but it seems that all the makers chamber this round and as a result, the flanged version has all but disappeared. The makers seem to think it is okay. Does anyone ACTUALLY KNOW anyone who had a problem with extraction/ejection with the belted .375 in their double rifle? I have heard all the horror stories and warnings but never actually saw anyone post anthing showing that they came to pass and there are lots and lots of smaller caliber rimless cartridges chambered for doubles and I never heard about any complaints regarding those either.

Good to see this cartridge.

Why should the U.S. have a monopoly on uselessly overbore cartridges that turn out to be commercial failures?

We could create a whole new thread just listing all of the "improved" versions of the .375, almost all of which have been failures. I believe the latest is the Ruger.

As for the French, they have a rich hunting tradition. I've enjoyed hunting there and the people I've hunted with.

One of the interesting things about this forum is finding out I have more in common with people living in other countries than with my neighbors.

I have very high end double rifles in 458wm and 375H&H and no extraction or ejection issues.

But, I think it takes a high end rifle with a lot of attention paid to the paws (or whatever you want to call them) that allow the belt to depress them and slide into the chamber while they then drop into the groove. Lots of attention, lots of fitting...

JPK

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Originally posted by nitro450exp:
Hey Guy's

Razz the French all you want.
When I was in Paris and stopped at a gun shop,
they had suppressors sitting on the counter, you could buy them like accessories.
Now that is educated and civilized, none of this class 3 crap.

I realize this is not the political forum but just to clarify French law defines 4 categories of firearms. #1 includes ALL military caliber weapons. That means 7x57, 308, 30-06, 8mm Lebel bolt rifle or an old Berthier = M-16 in the eyes of French Law. #4 includes all semi autos that hold more than 3 rounds and chambers something larger than 7.65 Long. Both category 1 and 4 require "may issue" permits that are subject to renewal every 3 years. An individual may own a total of 12 of firearms and I believe they have full national registration of all weapons. Firearms as hunting tools or sporting equipment are merely regulated and tolerated however there is absolutely no political or legal expection that anyone would ever use any gun to defend themselves much less their country. Skarkozy is arguably the most conservative president in recent French history and had this to say on French radio:

"Security is the responsibility of the state. I am against the private ownership of firearms. If you are assaulted by an armed burglar, he will use his weapon more effectively than you anyway, so you are risking your life." Yet, there are 751 "sensitive urban areas" or "ZUS" where the police will not go, so security must be in God's hands alone there.

Ironically, simply screwing a suppressor on your granddad's old Springfield .30/06 will cause you about the same amount of hassle in France or the US.....one is worried about the muzzle, the other worries about the chamber. On balance, gun laws in France and the US are equally restrictive and equally stupid.

On topic- I hope they make a great 375 and their military never adopts it for some nebulous purpose and screws everyone out of the chance to get one without restriction.

Carry on.

I just noticed the picture of the cartridge reminds me of the large display cartridge on the roof of the Norma plant.

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On balance, gun laws in France and the US are equally restrictive and equally stupid.

This is not even close. There are very few places in the world with the constitutional guarantees of the US. France is far from equally stupid. They got us beat hands down.

If you are interested, start a thread in politics, and we can discuss how the Constitution and the 2A ceased to guarantee anything after NFA 1934 or how some of this may be reversed through the commerce clause.
Otherwise, let's agree to let this thread continue as a 375 thread.