New French 375 cartridge

17 March 2010, 23:29

REY375

Hello All,
I have read in a French forum that the French company Verney Caron introduced during last German IWA a new 375 rimed for its DB.
I don't have any picture or further information excepted that it should be faster than the venerable H&H rimless and based on a new specific case.
Does someone hear somethinabout it?

17 March 2010, 23:32

DuggaBoye

Let me guess--
approximately based on or very similar to the 500/416.

17 March 2010, 23:35

dogcat

Let me see....
A French .375, hmmmmmm.

There has got to be a joke in there somewhere...

Maybe - "It shoots but does not kill, it kisses"

Or - "It shoots only between 10am and 2pm, the rest of the time, it is resting, loving, or eating."

Possibly - "It cannot be shot in German made rifles, too much tension?"

Ok, help for the next joke...

17 March 2010, 23:41

ChetNC

Special surrender cartridge: falls harmlessly to the ground a short distance from muzzle if gun is actually fired in anger.

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Let me see....
A French .375, hmmmmmm.

There has got to be a joke in there somewhere...

Maybe - "It shoots but does not kill, it kisses"

Or - "It shoots only between 10am and 2pm, the rest of the time, it is resting, loving, or eating."

Possibly - "It cannot be shot in German made rifles, too much tension?"

Ok, help for the next joke...

17 March 2010, 23:42

Esskay

Only works for shooting things off the bistros along the "Champs-Élysées" ??

18 March 2010, 00:03

Monastery-Forester

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Let me see....
A French .375, hmmmmmm.

There has got to be a joke in there somewhere...

Maybe - "It shoots but does not kill, it kisses"

Or - "It shoots only between 10am and 2pm, the rest of the time, it is resting, loving, or eating."

Possibly - "It cannot be shot in German made rifles, too much tension?"

Ok, help for the next joke...

Oh yes it kills, so it must be of yankee origin!

18 March 2010, 00:24

Idaho Sharpshooter

The rifle is a front loader and stocked with the muzzles at the rear, so that it can only fire while moving backwards.

Rich

18 March 2010, 00:38

GeorgeS

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
The rifle is a front loader and stocked with the muzzles at the rear, so that it can only fire while moving backwards.

George

18 March 2010, 01:23

eurocentric

must be shock-proof so when a Frenchman drops it, it doesn't crack?

18 March 2010, 01:38

boom stick

I just found it... It is called the 375 Rugier... and apparently it's in trouble

18 March 2010, 01:40

D Humbarger

Only two different loads I hear. One bullet is encpasilated wine the other encapsulated perfume.

18 March 2010, 01:47

eurocentric

Oui Monsieur, give me cowardice.... or give me cowardice!

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
I just found it... It is called the 375 Rugier... and apparently it's in trouble

18 March 2010, 01:52

ledvm

quote:
New French 375 cartridge

You mean the French are still allowed to own a gun???

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18 March 2010, 02:10

GeorgeS

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
You mean the French are still allowed to own a gun???

If I remember my world history, the French included the right to hunt in their constitution after the French Revolution.

Every Frenchman I've ever met here has been a gun owner and shooter.

George

18 March 2010, 02:27

Macifej

Yeah - that Napolean Dude never kicked any ass ...

18 March 2010, 02:38

boom stick

Does anyone else think it is strange that all the tall french men were killed fighting for napoleon?
Now the french are shorter due to the loss of the tall genes that did not pass on.

So maybe the new 375 french cart is short and has a Napoleon complex.

18 March 2010, 02:43

PSmith

quote:
Originally posted by Macifej:
Yeah - that Napolean Dude never kicked any ass ...

Napoleon was Corsican.

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18 March 2010, 02:47

ledvm

quote:
If I remember my world history, the French included the right to hunt in their constitution after the French Revolution.

Every Frenchman I've ever met here has been a gun owner and shooter.

George

Believe me...I hope they are. That country has become very left-wing the last decade. I have a couple of French veterinarian friends.

18 March 2010, 03:16

BigFiveJack

A .375 bullet should be loaded into the 450/400 3" brass now that Ruger

is marketing that brass. As to it being French, well they take a lot of

heat for being the way they are, and they deserve it. But I'll bet there are

many Fench people who would like to openly be Ronald Reagan / George

W. Bush endorsers.

18 March 2010, 03:31

boom stick

Would that be a rimmed 375 Saeed?
375 flanged, 300 @ 2400
450/375, 300 @ 2500?
Might as well get a double in 375 HH

quote:
Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
A .375 bullet should be loaded into the 450/400 3" brass now that Ruger

is marketing that brass. As to it being French, well they take a lot of

heat for being the way they are, and they deserve it. But I'll bet there are

many Fench people who would like to openly be Ronald Reagan / George

W. Bush endorsers.

18 March 2010, 03:37

ChetNC

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
If I remember my world history, the French included the right to hunt in their constitution after the French Revolution.

Every Frenchman I've ever met here has been a gun owner and shooter.

George

Believe me...I hope they are. That country has become very left-wing the last decade. I have a couple of French veterinarian friends.

Last decade? Nobody does left like the french do left for about the past 100 years. Their communist party only recently faded into the trash heap of history and gave ground to the socialists.

If anything, France has moved right in the last decade. For them, it was a hard right, too.

Back on topic: Will the 375 Rugier be chambered in the Chauchat? Will there be a .375/8mm Lebel wildcat. Will be forced to use metric headstamps for it?

18 March 2010, 05:31

RyanB

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
Does anyone else think it is strange that all the tall french men were killed fighting for napoleon?
Now the french are shorter due to the loss of the tall genes that did not pass on.

So maybe the new 375 french cart is short and has a Napoleon complex.

Don't worry the Germans bred the height back into them in 1871, 1914-1918 and 1940-1944.

18 March 2010, 05:38

fourbore

quote:
Would that be a rimmed 375 Saeed?
375 flanged, 300 @ 2400
450/375, 300 @ 2500?
Might as well get a double in 375 HH

Oh my GOD! Anther unnecessary 375, here we go again another 375Ruger debate.

18 March 2010, 05:38

Dave Bush

Okay, now if we are done bashing the French, does anyone have any information on the cartridge in question? I am curious why Verney-Carron might develop a new .375 cartridge and not just go with the .375 flanged.

P.S Did any of you morons notice that the guy who asked the question was from France. I'll bet he feels real welcome here.

Dave
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18 March 2010, 05:42

boom stick

Oh snap!

quote:
Originally posted by RyanB:
quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
Does anyone else think it is strange that all the tall french men were killed fighting for napoleon?
Now the french are shorter due to the loss of the tall genes that did not pass on.

So maybe the new 375 french cart is short and has a Napoleon complex.

Don't worry the Germans bred the height back into them in 1871, 1914-1918 and 1940-1944.

18 March 2010, 05:49

Macifej

quote:
Originally posted by PSmith:
quote:
Originally posted by Macifej:
Yeah - that Napolean Dude never kicked any ass ...

Napoleon was Corsican.

Yes it was the Corsican Empire which ruled Europe under Napolean ...

18 March 2010, 06:35

ShortandFat

Gents

Pretty sure it was a French company or group "THALES" that just brought out our major gun powder plants in Australia.

It was known as Australian Defence Industries - ADI, Now they are calling themselves THALES Australia.

Now here's the twist, they have a financial or ownership link with Hodgdon powders

So does it suprise me...........not really,

But I would have thought, having big military contracts might mean the round could be more military specific

So if it's correct how do you want your eggs on you face, sunny side up or hard boiled ?

.

Sounds to me like the French are ready to stand up and be counted in the Firearm industry, good or bad

You guys better do some digging, find out if it's true or not.

regards
S&F

18 March 2010, 09:21

Idaho Sharpshooter

YOU, on the other hand; had best stock up today.
The prices there are about to double, mate!

Rich

18 March 2010, 10:56

ShortandFat

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
YOU, on the other hand; had best stock up today.
The prices there are about to double, mate!

Rich

Rich

Too Late, powders are literally being made down the road, I know people that work there and it's actually cheaper to buy the imported Alliant (Reloader) powders

French company is screwing us already. We are now paying $45 Aus ($41 US) for 500grams (1.1 lbs)

regards
S&F

18 March 2010, 12:12

Wink

There is nothing on Verny-Carron's web site about this. Where has anyone read about this "new" cartridge?

18 March 2010, 14:09

Nordic2

It`s only in US hunting is considerd for rightwing/republicans.
Thanks to the french revolution hunting became a resuorce for the people in Sweden.
In the northern of Sweden many of the hunters are liberals, socialists or even comunists. (even some greenies hunt to)

18 March 2010, 16:37

fourbore

quote:
It`s only in US hunting is considerd for rightwing/republicans.

That is media propaganda. Never in your wettest dream will any Olympic shooting sports be covered in USA either. Same media. Since the world has gone global, it will be interesting to see if Sweden changes or that life style is showcased for the rest of the world to see and adopt.

I assume you can own/collect all the guns you want in Sweden? And can carry concealed handguns any where any time in Sweden? Sweden has this right clearly spelled out and un contested in their constitution?

18 March 2010, 16:52

Bent Fossdal

quote:

Thanks to the french revolution hunting became a resuorce for the people in Sweden.

Oh, I am dying to hear you explain this!

19 March 2010, 00:03

Nordic2

In fear for a revolution the king and aristocrats gave more rights to the people and a democratic governtment, including hunting that was only for aristocrats before.

19 March 2010, 00:20

Nordic2

No we have to specify a area of collection example(Husqvarna guns).
It is not a right to wear arms it is a permit.

On tv we have seen biathlon a couple a weeks ago (one gold medal).
We havn`t any good shooters sence Pia Hansen doubble trap and Ragnar Skanåker pistol was at their top. So they dont show it on tv.

Most people live in towns and are not hunters. The goventment is koncervativ/republican.

19 March 2010, 18:05

DoubleDon

Ken Buch at KEBCO just returned this past Tuesday from several days in France with the fine Verney-Carron folks. He was mentioning to me in passing about this new cartridge, it's recoil, etc.. I told Ken "the pioneers get the arrows" and didn't pay much attention.

I will be talking to Ken this morning, tell him of this thread and ask him to enlighten us.

20 March 2010, 17:36

Kebco

I have seen the cartridge and fired a prototype gun. The case is big, much larger than the 375 flannged mag. Because of extraction problems with belted cases in double rifles my understanding is that it was designed to rechamber a 375 H&H belted case to a rimmed version to solve the extraction/ejection problems that some guns have. V-C told me that they are getting several hundred feet per second faster than the H&H with less pressure. However because this is a big case and not all H&H chambered guns will be safe to rechamber because of barrel taper at the chamber. V-C is waiting on C.I.P. to finish writing up the specifications before it will be commercially offered. On a side note I found the recoil to be very manageable and seemed to come straight back with almost no muzzle rise.

20 March 2010, 20:41

El Deguello

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
New French 375 cartridge

You mean the French are still allowed to own a gun???

Whether allowed or not, they have them. The French pay no attention whatsoever to their laws!

21 March 2010, 02:09

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by Kebco:
I have seen the cartridge and fired a prototype gun. The case is big, much larger than the 375 flannged mag. Because of extraction problems with belted cases in double rifles my understanding is that it was designed to rechamber a 375 H&H belted case to a rimmed version to solve the extraction/ejection problems that some guns have. V-C told me that they are getting several hundred feet per second faster than the H&H with less pressure. However because this is a big case and not all H&H chambered guns will be safe to rechamber because of barrel taper at the chamber. V-C is waiting on C.I.P. to finish writing up the specifications before it will be commercially offered. On a side note I found the recoil to be very manageable and seemed to come straight back with almost no muzzle rise.

Ken:

Is the new case based on any existing case like perhaps a .470 case necked down to .375 like the .500/.416?

21 March 2010, 04:41

Kebco

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bush:
quote:
Originally posted by Kebco:
I have seen the cartridge and fired a prototype gun. The case is big, much larger than the 375 flannged mag. Because of extraction problems with belted cases in double rifles my understanding is that it was designed to rechamber a 375 H&H belted case to a rimmed version to solve the extraction/ejection problems that some guns have. V-C told me that they are getting several hundred feet per second faster than the H&H with less pressure. However because this is a big case and not all H&H chambered guns will be safe to rechamber because of barrel taper at the chamber. V-C is waiting on C.I.P. to finish writing up the specifications before it will be commercially offered. On a side note I found the recoil to be very manageable and seemed to come straight back with almost no muzzle rise.

Ken:

Is the new case based on any existing case like perhaps a .470 case necked down to .375 like the .500/.416?

Not sure, I have a dummy round and a fired case but have not had time to look closely. The case has almost straight walls with a bottle neck at the very top. Looks like many improved cases with a rim.