I finally got a gun that will shoot through a buffalo lengthwise. I just ordered a seven pound stainless steel .45-70 Marlin GS with an 18 1/2 barrel. Oh baby! Michael has turned me toward the dark side

"buffalo lengthwise"


Are you going to run up to it afterwards
and hammer the bullet through ?





Tin foil hat on !!!

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Is it stainless like mine?
Stick a 2 moa red dot on it.

I think it is 2 lbs too heavy.
Needs a carbon fiber stock.

Maybe shorten the tube to only hold one so you cycle it and load it again so you can shoot pointy bullets to make it a single pipe double rifle

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
I finally got a gun that will shoot through a buffalo lengthwise. I just order a seven pound stainless steel .45-70 Marlin GS with an 18 1/2 barrel. Oh baby! Michael has turned me toward the dark side

Once you have turned to the "Dark Side", you will never be the same!



Now what you must do is send that rifle to me, I will have that small bore barrel snatched off of it, and put a proper .500 caliber barrel on it, and we can have some real proper Flat Nose solids that can hammer your buff to the dirt, lengthwise, sidewise, upsidedownwise, insideoutwise, and outsideinsidewise!

HEH

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Is it stainless like mine?
Stick a 2 moa red dot on it.

I think it is 2 lbs too heavy.
Needs a carbon fiber stock.

Boomy
Instead of decreasing weight for 45/70, just keep the same weight and make it .500? A proper compromise I think!

LOL
M

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Originally posted by michael458:

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
Is it stainless like mine?
Stick a 2 moa red dot on it.

I think it is 2 lbs too heavy.
Needs a carbon fiber stock.

Boomy
Instead of decreasing weight for 45/70, just keep the same weight and make it .500? A proper compromise I think!

LOL
M

Best way to proceed here is weld the two clunkers together and make a bi-lever mook special ... Rob can have the "thing" gold plated for you ...

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Originally posted by Macifej:

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
Is it stainless like mine?
Stick a 2 moa red dot on it.

I think it is 2 lbs too heavy.
Needs a carbon fiber stock.

Boomy
Instead of decreasing weight for 45/70, just keep the same weight and make it .500? A proper compromise I think!

LOL
M

Best way to proceed here is weld the two clunkers together and make a bi-lever mook special ... Rob can have the "thing" gold plated for you ...

Is that a repeating "double rifle"? Imagine the load out you could do with that?

need to have selective triggers and some mechanical linkage that switches actions it cycles.

Don't need plating It will be stainless!

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Originally posted by michael458:


Is that a repeating "double rifle"? Imagine the load out you could do with that?

Maybe, but he would still have to contend with the fact that it's in 45-70
so he wouldn't really be in the club because of that

Michael... We have been joking about the double lever for a while. Would be a hoot!

Maybe the linked lever could actuate the firing like "The Rifleman" Chuck Connors

see video

http://www.northforkproduction...iflemanchuckconnors/

500N
Thanks for clearing that up for us! So, Dave you will only need the one rifle you have and covert it to 50 B&M AK, then we can weld it to mine you see above, then you will have a proper .500 caliber Repeating Double Rifle, holding 4 rounds on each side, total of 8. Now it will be a bit heavy at 14 lbs, so we must skinny this up a little. I think I can get at least 3lbs off for an 11 lb gun, short, but still pretty heavy, maybe another pound by removing extra parts, I mean you only need one lever, because this Repeating Double is going to shoot two at a time anyway, Soft and Solid together each time, best of both worlds at once, launching 1000 grs at a time at 2000 fps, one from each barrel. Best I can do is get it down to 10 lbs, but I think it will work.

I think macifej should machine it out of a single piece of titanium on a 4 or 5 axis CNC and mirror the actions so the loading ports are on either side. I think we can get the weight down to 12 lbs with skinny 18" barrels.
The tricky part is designing the selective trigger and cycling mechanism.
OK CAD geeks... Get to work!!!

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Originally posted by michael458:
500N
Thanks for clearing that up for us! So, Dave you will only need the one rifle you have and covert it to 50 B&M AK, then we can weld it to mine you see above, then you will have a proper .500 caliber Repeating Double Rifle, holding 4 rounds on each side, total of 8. Now it will be a bit heavy at 14 lbs, so we must skinny this up a little. I think I can get at least 3lbs off for an 11 lb gun, short, but still pretty heavy, maybe another pound by removing extra parts, I mean you only need one lever, because this Repeating Double is going to shoot two at a time anyway, Soft and Solid together each time, best of both worlds at once, launching 1000 grs at a time at 2000 fps, one from each barrel. Best I can do is get it down to 10 lbs, but I think it will work.

You have a bloody answer for everything !!!!

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Now don't you guys be dissin my .45-70. At 1600 fps it will out penetrate a .577 NE. I know that's true cause I read it on the internet.

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Originally posted by 500N:

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:
500N
Thanks for clearing that up for us! So, Dave you will only need the one rifle you have and covert it to 50 B&M AK, then we can weld it to mine you see above, then you will have a proper .500 caliber Repeating Double Rifle, holding 4 rounds on each side, total of 8. Now it will be a bit heavy at 14 lbs, so we must skinny this up a little. I think I can get at least 3lbs off for an 11 lb gun, short, but still pretty heavy, maybe another pound by removing extra parts, I mean you only need one lever, because this Repeating Double is going to shoot two at a time anyway, Soft and Solid together each time, best of both worlds at once, launching 1000 grs at a time at 2000 fps, one from each barrel. Best I can do is get it down to 10 lbs, but I think it will work.

You have a bloody answer for everything !!!!

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I think Paul might like one of these! LOL

Diverging barrels zero'd for 100 ... aim at the middle of your buff and get a head and ass shot in one pull ...

How to lead a fast moving target ..?? Hmmm ...

Boomy

That's way out of my pay scale now.



Dave

It's all about the bullet, man you must order some of those little Barnes 330s I am so hyped on for the 45/70! Now you are going to have to go back thru 70 pages of the TBP thread to find all the 45/70 stuff! HA!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Diverging barrels zero'd for 100 ... aim at the middle of your buff and get a head and ass shot in one pull ...

How to lead a fast moving target ..?? Hmmm ...

I tell you all the possibilities with this could be endless!

Michael

Even the little Barnes 330s won't save the 45-70 !!!!


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Mirroring the actions should be easy with a cnc
Macifej... Put those cnc's to work!

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Originally posted by 500N:
Michael

Even the little Barnes 330s won't save the 45-70 !!!!


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500N

I am always looking for a way to make the 45/70 effective, the truth is out there! We must find it!

Maybe it's out there, I endeavor to persevere, the 330 Barnes is but one part of the equation! While I graduated my lever guns to .500 caliber, I hate to leave my brothers lacking, if they won't join me in .500 then what am I to do? I can't just abandon them?


But I am still looking!

M

The issue is the action
The Ruger #1 can get 400 @ 2150
On a 1886 with the longer OAL you can get good velocity with the bullet out to 2.8"

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Originally posted by 500N:
Michael

Even the little Barnes 330s won't save the 45-70 !!!!


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My, you are SO out of touch with reality!!!

The .45-70 is THE most popular of the Big Bores... AND by a HUGE margin!

For verification see my blog

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:

500N

I am always looking for a way to make the 45/70 effective, the truth is out there! We must find it!

Maybe it's out there, I endeavor to persevere, the 330 Barnes is but one part of the equation! While I graduated my lever guns to .500 caliber, I hate to leave my brothers lacking, if they won't join me in .500 then what am I to do? I can't just abandon them?

But I am still looking!

M

You will NEVER succeed in finding "a way to make the 45/70 effective".

No if's, buts or maybe's.


So give up while you are ahead.


Your only saving grace in my eyes, and you are lucky you have that with all that you have stacked against you (living in SC, 45-70 lover etc), is that you have "Seen the 50 cal light" and embraced it.


But unless you drop this silly nonsense about the 45-70, you will never be accepted into the Double Rifle fold, dual lever guns or not !!!


LOL

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Originally posted by .458 Only:

quote:

Originally posted by 500N:
Michael

Even the little Barnes 330s won't save the 45-70 !!!!


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My, you are SO out of touch with reality!!!

The .45-70 is THE most popular of the Big Bores... AND by a HUGE margin!

For verification see my blog

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

Your from Canada, that doesn't count as you don't have any reality there.





Tin foil hat on

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Well, with 3 of the best topics for starting arguments on gun forums
in the one thread (45/70, Canada and Barnes), if that doesn't start
WW III, nothing will

Have a good day


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quote:

Originally posted by 500N:
Well, with 3 of the best topics for starting arguments on gun forums
in the one thread (45/70, Canada and Barnes), if that doesn't start
WW III, nothing will

Have a good day


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Well, I have at LEAST a couple of friends in Aussieland!

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

Sometimes, Big Bore Humor (double entendre purely accidental) eludes me.

If, in fact, you do hunt buffalo in Africa with a .45-70, with what firearm will your PH be armed? And is he resolute, and a fine shot besides?

Sgned,

-Curious

You make too much sense.

quote:

Originally posted by mauser93:
Sometimes, Big Bore Humor (double entendre purely accidental) eludes me.

If, in fact, you do hunt buffalo in Africa with a .45-70, with what firearm will your PH be armed? And is he resolute, and a fine shot besides?

Sgned,

-Curious

That 45-70 is a damn fine revolver cartridge though ...

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_fact.asp

Though I hate scopes on revolvers ...



Chuck

quote:

Originally posted by 500N:

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:

500N

I am always looking for a way to make the 45/70 effective, the truth is out there! We must find it!

Maybe it's out there, I endeavor to persevere, the 330 Barnes is but one part of the equation! While I graduated my lever guns to .500 caliber, I hate to leave my brothers lacking, if they won't join me in .500 then what am I to do? I can't just abandon them?

But I am still looking!

M

You will NEVER succeed in finding "a way to make the 45/70 effective".

No if's, buts or maybe's.


So give up while you are ahead.


Your only saving grace in my eyes, and you are lucky you have that with all that you have stacked against you (living in SC, 45-70 lover etc), is that you have "Seen the 50 cal light" and embraced it.


But unless you drop this silly nonsense about the 45-70, you will never be accepted into the Double Rifle fold, dual lever guns or not !!!


LOL

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500N

Come on now! Listen to what I have to say. Doing my best to help my fellow shooters. Yes, it is true, I have had to leave the 45/70 behind because I have found that .500 caliber at the same velocity is truly effective. And by increasing velocity on my .500s with the 50 B&M and the 500 MDM, then they turn into sledgehammers!

But what about my fellow shooters stuck in 45/70 la la land? The caliber is good, .458 good things start to happen! But we must do something about the sledgehammer equation! In it's current state, it ain't happening! Ok, good bullets in .458 at higher velocity, maybe that is the answer, magic bullets like the brass non cons, maybe the 330 barnes banded is a magic bullet too for 45/70? But we must strive to increase effectiveness of this cartridge.

Now I thought the double lever action gun, firing two bullets at the same time might increase that effectiveness some. No doubt it would, but now we have weight and mechanical difficulties that probably are just not worth the effort I think! So that idea is out. HEH.

Now being accepted into the Double Rifle Fold? I don't know how to answer that to be honest! While I think they are truly nice and all, they still confuse me somewhat, look like shotguns to me, and I can't figure out which barrel to use or look down, they are awfully heavy, sorta weak, not very versatile, and I ain't very good at loading and using one of the things! While there are some great guys with doubles, like Mike, yourself, peter, and I think Dave too, but there are an awfully lot of "snobby" folks there to! So I reckon I will stay with those single barreled bolt guns and lever guns, I believe I can do better with those than I could an over grown shotgun thingy! LOL

Michael

Doesn't that Marlin come in a "Safari Express" model?

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Doesn't that Marlin come in a "Safari Express" model?

Why Rusty, I think you are right, here are some I found, but they are .500 caliber Safari Versions

everytime i see a marlin lever gun, without a big loop, i FLINCH .. my paws dont' fit!

Jeffe

I have small hands (but that is all-everything else is huge ). My buddy John gave me a damn nice stainless marlin he had SSK convert to 50 AK because it hurt his hands so bad! LOL

Now those guides in 50 B&M AK, knocking those 500 gr Hornadys at 2000 fps will knock the crap out of you! I did all the load data in a guide gun converted to 50 B&M, all benchwork, and I hold the front pretty tight, but you can't hold that bastard, it jumps! LOL. Then I had a few 71s converted, and with that straighter stock they are easy to shoot. So I figured the straight stock version on the Marlin was the best to convert to 50. That one is new and has not been shot.

M

Still struggling to wrap my head around the .50 AK B&M. Why neck it down when you can have a little more diameter?? You think the .50 AK is bad in a levergun, you should try it in a revolver!

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Still struggling to wrap my head around the .50 AK B&M. Why neck it down when you can have a little more diameter?? You think the .50 AK is bad in a levergun, you should try it in a revolver!

Because I can that's why!!

No man, to be honest in my opinion there are a lot more good bullets now available in .500 for lever guns than in .510 for levers. Not only that, but I am the king of .500 in rifles, so I had to have one for lever guns? Where's your mind? I have them for bolt guns, single shots, lever guns and even semi's, so............HEH!

Some people invent the cartridge and look for a rifle to put it in. I am different, I look at the rifle first and then what cartridge can I make of value for this rifle! In some cases I look at a rifle and ask, "can I have a .500 in this rifle?"

Now in the case of the 50 B&M AK, pretty much the same, had some of those hi grade browning 71s that needed turning into something worthwhile, bam, 50 B&M AK. Same with the Marlins! Then I started thinking about the bullet, and the bullet for the 50 B&M AK, what it was designed around, is the 500 gr Hornady .500! Yep, designed of course as a handgun bullet, but wow what a bullet. I have tested it out to 2100 fps so far and jacket and core still hold together! Far beyond expectations. It's at it's best at anywhere between 1500-2000 fps, and the 50 B&M AK with 18 inches of tube will run it at 2000 fps. Even the Super Short can run it at 1700 fps in it's 16 inches of tube, and now that Sam made a forming die to turn it from a big flat nose to a more rounded profile it now feeds in all my bolt guns, so I have the best of both worlds with it, staying within it's velocity range, flat or rounded depending on the rifle. Bolt or lever!

I figure that the 50 B&M AK in a M71 with 18 inches and the 500 Hornady at 1900-2000 fps would be about one of the finest thin skinned dangerous game combos ever devised! This would just hammer bear and lion to the dirt! I used this in the prototype cartridge which is now in the semi DPMS, and at 1875 fps this bullet put wildebeast, zebra and giraffe in the dirt on the spot, like they had been hit by lightning!

So why you ask? All the reasons above is good enough for me.

HEH
Where have you been? I did not see you at NRA, place was crawling like ants on an ant hill!

Michael

Michael... We have to get you to 2.25" case for the Super lever .500" 500 B&M AK
500 MDM for the levergun!

Mike,
Have you considered a 475 Turnbull? I've handled and shot one. They are very nice!
475 Turnbull

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Originally posted by Rusty:
Mike,
Have you considered a 475 Turnbull? I've handled and shot one. They are very nice!
475 Turnbull

Rusty

I understand they are very nice rifles. But with a .500 I can't see much need for a 475? At least for myself. I do have some high hopes of getting some of those bullets however for my upcoming bolt guns in .474, 475 B&M and Super Short. Or, I will just have my own made, either way will work.

Michael