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My vote is for the .375 Ackley Improved (375 Weatherby). What is your vote and why? | ||
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You didn't say why, so why should we? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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H&H of course, and then the Wby. First reason is personal preference and then onto component availlability. Brass and dies are readilly availlable for the .375H&H and there is no shortage. Other reasons are is that it is a very proven, respected and capable round. Good for everything large and small, near and far. Guess I'm a little biased as I was shootin' mine just yesterday. Winchester model 70 .375H&H Magnum. Rodney. | |||
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 Here we go again Rod -------------------------------- "A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong" Bob Hagel | |||
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The .375Wby, followed by the .378Wby. | |||
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I have an AI so I am prejudiced. It was an FN commercial action, and that was the barrel that came on it. It is a pretty neat cartridge, and even better as a one rifle safari, etc. Rich | |||
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The H&H followed by the .375 Ruger. The H&H doesn't give the velocity that the Ackley or Weatherby does but I found out it will do a pretty credible job out to 300+ yards. Love my H&H. ****************************** There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular -- but one must ask, "Is it right?" Martin Luther King, Jr. | |||
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Define "Best"? If you are looking for all out power then something like the .375 RUM is the answer. If you want something in a medium action that's more affordable then the answer is .375 Ruger. If you want something with universal ammo availability the answer is .375 H&H. Define Best? Personally I decided the answer was the Holland and Holland. Ammo anywhere made the difference. They are all Africa Legal, so it all becomes a question of whether or not you think .375 is enough...or if you want a .400+... Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
375 Wby wins the ammo availability contest because it shoots H&H and 375 Wby ammo.  and the 375 Wby would probably chamber 375 H&H ammo that has been rolled in mud or had the case distorted. | ||
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.375 Weatherby. Can duplicate .375 RUM and .375/404 ballistics. The factory ammo results are identical in 26" barreled .375 Wby and .375 RUM. I have chronographed both. Right at 2800 fps with 300-grainers. Handloaders can duplicate this too. Properly headstamped brass by Norma and Factory loads for the .375 Wby are the only advantage over the .375 AI. Both of those can put .375 H&H ammo to good use. The .375 Wby and .375 AI are real improvements over the .375 H&H. And I noticed that my load data for the .375 Wby has disappeared from the tabulation array in my piece, in Saeed's Reloading pages section of this site.  Did Walter get jealous? Oh, well, I've got better data now anyway. | |||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
It is still there Ron. But post up additional data. Actually I think old Roy only introduced the 375 Wby to be irritating. It has a higher annoyance factor than either the 30-378 or the 378 itself.  | ||
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Really? I must lack the capability to see it on some puters. Will have to switch puters and look again. Java script issue? My tabulation was different than the others. Not the same format. Redheaded stepchild that the .375 Wby is, how appropriate. Ol' Roy's .375 is indeed his crowning glory, and a crown of thorns for the extended pinky crowd. Cheers.  | |||
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376 steyr Fits in a standard length action, velocity with a 300grn solid is below 2500fps. Above 2500fps bullet failure becomes increasingly common. Any round that is faster than a .375 H&H sucks on elephant, and is little better on lion. | |||
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the one i happen to have in my hands, at the right moment .. and if i don't have one in my hands, and i need one, i am certain my wife will have one ... she thinks its a bigbore  opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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RIP's info | |||
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TABLE{ blah blah blah color:transparent; } There's your problem. Cut the bolded part out from the expe1011.css file and the visibility of the load data becomes a lot less puter dependant. BTW, my vote also goes to the 375 Wby. The "why" part has already been stated. | |||
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.375 Nitro Express, Flanged Magnum. Sentimental reasons and it's a nice rifle. Got a number of H&H rimless "modern" ones too, Improved and un-improved. They aren't as pretty. | |||
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Here's why I think the .375 AI is the best: 1. Ammo abounds worldwide, because you can alway shoot 375 H&H in it. This is no small matter, if you lose your ammo on the way to Africa. 2. I'm getting 2933 fps with 300 gr. SGK (BC=.475) (or the like) with 95 grs. of Norma MRP (26.5" barrel) - 5700 ft# of energy at the muzzle. Nothing on Earth will withstand that kind of pressure in the boiler room. And, all this with good case life and 1 MOA accuracy! Don't forget the 300 gr. SGK is a specially alloyed, hardened bullet, which is very accurate - the most accurate 300 gr. .375 bullet on the market in my experience. 3. This awesome performance makes this gun a 600 yd plus elk rifle (even an antelope rifle in a pinch), not just a dangerous game getter. 4. Loaded to its potential, this is all I can take as a shooter, thus I wouldn't want a 378 Weatherby or 375 RUM, which would be less efficient and bigger kickers getting the same performance. 5. The 375 AI can be built on any standand magnum action, such as 300 Win Mag. All one needs do is change out the barrel and you're ready for Africa. No bolt or action modifications needed. Just put your 300 WM barrel back on when you get back to the States. 6. All this versatility means cost savings, meaning you get to shoot one or two more trophies when in Africa. Warn regards, AIU | |||
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375 H&H. Every time I look at having my CZ bored out, I remember with added velocity, and recoil, I loose a round. 20% less firepower is not made up for by a bit of velocity that doesn't affect much... | |||
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I like the 375 Wea. I have a converted stainless Mod 70 that shoots lights out and chrono's factory fodder @ 2800 FPS+ a little change. Unlike the 378's or 404 based cartridges, I can get the same number of cartridges down in the box as a H&H (4 down in the Mcmillan safari stock and sunnyhill floor plate). I see little on the down side of this cartridge as a universal big game gun. I like the factory Nosler Partitions but I would have liked to have seen a factory solid offering and perhaps a Swift or X bullet. I suppose the demand was just not strong enough. We will reload! EZ | |||
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A second vote for .375 NE flanged magnum, a classic for double rifles and single shots. | |||
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AI USer, what do you get from a factory H&H round through your 375AI? | |||
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I like the .375 Weatherby, essentially the same as a .375AI, except you can buy factory ammo. Some countries used to require that your rifle and ammo match. Mine also still shots .375 H&H ammo extremely well, just in case i should ever need to use it in a pinch. 375 H&H ammo is readily available worldwide in big game areas, some of the others are not. On a trip to Brazil my ammo made it down there, but didn't make it home on the plane. So for the traveling hunter availability of ammo is an important aspect of caliber choice. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
I think the 375 Wby would see a lot more users if Wby offered it in their standard rifle and in particular the lower priced Synthetic and Fibremark. However, I think Wby feel it will steal sales from the 340 Wby and the 375 Wby buyers will use H&H brass. However, they offer 375 H&H in their base rifles. I think if Wby offered the 375 Wby in their standard rifles they would make quite a few double sales of 300 Wby and 375 Wby. I know they get a lot of paired up sales with 30-378 and 378. | ||
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....................... The old 375 H&H is one cartridge for the world, and none of the wanna-bes will ever knock it off it's place in the hunting world. The one that comes close is the 375 WBY, but will not produce anything a Cape buffalo could reccognize as an upgrade. However there is only one cartridge that was designed by Roy Weatherby that i would own and that is the 375 WBY Mag, and only then in any CRF rifle over anything WBY has ever made since they dropped the FN Mauser action. ........WBY SHOOTER  ........ME  ............  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
What advantage does the 375 H&H offer over the 375 Wby. The only advantage I can think of is for a high end custom gun in M70/M98 where it would preferable to have 375 H&H inscribed on the rifle. The 375 Wby can duplicate the H&H peformance for your buffalo but it can also offer much higher velocity for flatter trajectory on smaller game. On the other hand it can deliver H&H performance will lower pressure. It would also chamber 375 H&H ammo easier than would a 375 H&H. I would say the 375 Wby is the best all world rifle and the 375 H&H is second best. Name one advantage the 375 H&H offers over the 375 Wby. | ||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
For a more expensive rifle I wold have an HS Precision or Sauer. You don't have that nonsense of trying to have a case rim slide under an extractor at a funny angle. Nice in line feed. And you want magazine capacity, HS Precision will take care of that. | ||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
Looks like someone is happy to have a high end M70 in 375 Wby http://www.gunsinternational.c...cfm?gun_id=100075911 | ||
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What would be better on buffalo, a 300 grainer at 2500 or a 350 grainer at 2500. No problem for the 375 Wby shooter as he can have either | ||
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I have a lot of trouble discounting the 375 WBY. It stands on its own two feet without any further justification. And my very wise friends 470Mbogo and RIP have shown me the way. That said, despite a fair bit of experience with the H&H, I am currently somewhat enamoured of my 375 Ruger. Last but not least, Saeed's 375/404 wildcat has no flies on it. I will get to spend some quality time in its company, so maybe I will withhold my final answer on the "best .375 of all" until after taking it through some field testing.  Cheers Canuck | |||
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Canuck, are you planning on going into politics? For me, the .375 alphabet ends with H. &H.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
Once Saeed gets some more experience he will come to realise the errors of his ways in exceeding standard H&H ballistics | ||
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Yes, I agree. Sometime in the next 150 odd buffalo he may see the light. | |||
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Touche! A symptom of wanting to answer but having nothing definitive to say! | |||
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Correct me if I am wrong but... The one that gives you the best ratio of confidence and shootability. The 375 HH is a pussycat to shoot so why not go bigger. Cart design merrits has a lot to do with the rifle. Cart avaliability is where the rubber meets the road. All things being equal I would say the 375-06 varriants can do 90% of what the H&H can do (300@ 2400) If 300 @ 2500 is the gold standard 300 @ 2400 is nothing to sneeze at and less recoil with less powder ect. Seems people like the magic of range and killing power of the 375 class carts. The 375-404 seems to be hard to beet for range, killing power and good cart design. What is the best is HIGHLY subjective. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Consistent ammunition availability everywhere on the planet. In the action related thread you were saying push feeds were better because they'd eat most any ammo and CRF rifles won't and at one point you were forced to use shit ammo/brass in your .270 and it didn't like it while shooting roos from the back of trucks with a SMLE and such... Walllll....In the real world you can find H&H pretty much everywhere where such a cartridge is called for. Can't be said of the other .375s. If you need more from your .375 and want to make it more like a .458 or .416, Wallllllll, most of us own some of them too. Therefore: The other .375s don't do anything any better than more common alternative calibers as far as slaying energy or ballistic coefficient that most people that own .375s also own and the alternative calibers also have better around the world ammo availability. This is coming from a person that has 4 versions of .30cal magnums. I like the .308 Norma I built the best of them all but if somebody asked me which .300 Mag to buy I'd tell them they'd likely be best off with a Winnie because you can buy ammo at walmart if you had to. Especially your average Joe that's more hunter than reloader or gunsmith. Do you pick opposing rationales in different threads on the same forum often? I usually just read the classifieds but I've had free time of late so I've been following a few threads for grins/to pass the time. | |||
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How about a 350 grainer at 2800 or a 450 grainer at 2500 with room for more or 550 grainers from one of my Lotts? I can have any of them so your Weatherby is looking limited. I know this is a .375 thread but it's a valid point. There's nothing magical about something being .375 diameter. | |||
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BaxterB, never put a factory 375 H&H thru it - I reload. | |||
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| <Mike McGuire> |
375 Wby will use 375 H&H ammo. And with even more clearance on the shoulder it would accept H&H ammo that a 375 H&H would not accept. So as you can see there has been no change in my rationale The 375 Wby simply adds to the practicality of the 375 H&H while also offering either extra velocity, or heavier bullets at the same velocity or the same ballistics at lower pressure. | ||
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