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Originally posted by Precision Man:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
What would be better on buffalo, a 300 grainer at 2500 or a 350 grainer at 2500. No problem for the 375 Wby shooter as he can have either

How about a 350 grainer at 2800 or a 450 grainer at 2500 with room for more or 550 grainers from one of my Lotts? I can have any of them so your Weatherby is looking limited. I know this is a .375 thread but it's a valid point. There's nothing magical about something being .375 diameter.

But the 375 Wby shoots 375 H&H ammo.

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
Looks like someone is happy to have a high end M70 in 375 Wby

I've looked long and hard at this rifle, if I hadn't just got my Lott finished, this gun would be mine

I feel the 375 RUGER fit s the bill , and as a cartridge/rifle package its second to none, it can be built up to something that is pretty portable , not to heavey for long hunts and loaded with the NEW R17 2700 fps PLUS with a 300 gn proj is attainable.....its a great cartridge/rifle package
Daniel

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:

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Originally posted by Precision Man:

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Originally posted by Mike McGuire:
What would be better on buffalo, a 300 grainer at 2500 or a 350 grainer at 2500. No problem for the 375 Wby shooter as he can have either

How about a 350 grainer at 2800 or a 450 grainer at 2500 with room for more or 550 grainers from one of my Lotts? I can have any of them so your Weatherby is looking limited. I know this is a .375 thread but it's a valid point. There's nothing magical about something being .375 diameter.

But the 375 Wby shoots 375 H&H ammo.

And, rifle dependent, it might do it pretty accurately, or not.

I've got things that amuse me more to do than work up which particular rifle, and you'd have to do it on a rifle by rifle basis I'd wager, shoots factory ammo for a slightly different chambering to what point of aim. Whatever lights your candle. I go with having a couple safes full of rifles and known loads for them I already have worked out. I fail to see the advantage in .375 Ruger or Wby to ME personally. Other people's circumstances are different. H&H doubles in NE flanged magnum are prettier and more elegant though. That's an unarguable fact :-) .375H&H, Flanged or Not, been killing things reliably under all conditions all over the world since 1912.

Loved every H&H I ever owned and thought it was the greatest round for hunting Alaska big stuff. Then I bought a 375 Wby and all the H&H's went up for sale. The Wby does everything the H&H does and more, plain and simple.
However, the rifle will often make the cartridge. As much as I love the Wby my favorite round (rifle) is now the 375 Ruger.

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The old 375 H&H is one cartridge for the world, and none of the wanna-bes will ever knock it off it's place in the hunting world. The one that comes close is the 375 WBY,

What advantage does the 375 H&H offer over the 375 Wby. The only advantage I can think of is for a high end custom gun in M70/M98 where it would preferable to have 375 H&H inscribed on the rifle.

The 375 Wby can duplicate the H&H peformance for your buffalo but it can also offer much higher velocity for flatter trajectory on smaller game. On the other hand it can deliver H&H performance will lower pressure. It would also chamber 375 H&H ammo easier than would a 375 H&H.

I would say the 375 Wby is the best all world rifle and the 375 H&H is second best.

Name one advantage the 375 H&H offers over the 375 Wby.

It may come as a suprize to you but I'd be willing to bet you I can hit any target, at any range with a 375 H&H that you can with a 375 WBY Mag, and the H&H will shoot the 350 bullets as well, so what practical value have you gained with the WBY over the H&H? How dead is dead, and how hit is hit, when you can do the same thing with either? I can guarintee you a Bufflao will not know the difference between the two.

I never said that the H&H would push a bullet as fast as the WBY, but what I am saying is it doesn't gain you anything from a practical stand point other than to statisfy your need to be right! To top that off if your 375 Wby Mag is in a push feed Wby rifle that alone is a reason to trade it for a good CRF actioned 375 H&H rifle!
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Originally posted by MacD37:

It may come as a suprize to you but I'd be willing to bet you I can hit any target, at any range with a 375 H&H that you can with a 375 WBY Mag, and the H&H will shoot the 350 bullets as well, so what practical value have you gained with the WBY over the H&H?

It can duplicate H&H at lower pressure. It would chamber a 375 H&H that was rolled around in the dirt before being chambered.

Whatever the ideal velocity is for 300 grain 375 bullet a 375 Wby will do that and also do it with a 350 grain bullet.

Consider what happens if you go the other way, that is, convert a 375 Wby to 375 H&H. It is a losing deal all the way. The only plus the H&H has is more widely available loading dies but you only have to buy dies once.

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To top that off if your 375 Wby Mag is in a push feed Wby rifle that alone is a reason to trade it for a good CRF actioned 375 H&H rifle!

The only advantage I can see with CRF is it means you get to know a gunsmith very well That stuff is real shit. Just put a small burr on the case rim and jammo time. Typical German over engineering.

And with German engineering consider what you would need to do to convert an M98 to M70

1) Grind all the tang away to remove all bedding area.

2) Grind half the recoil lug away so as to make it very small.

3) Then move the recoil lug back on the action so as to reduce the amount of stock material behind the the now minature recoil lug.

378 is my favorite.

Extra velocity enables you to obtain a flatter trajectory. Typically a spitzer bullet drops about 200fps per 100 yards at about 2800-2600 fps. So it could be said a 375 weatherby is a 100 yard stronger cartridge than a H&H. Is it needed? Probably not at close range. It does limit to some degree any of calculations on hold over at 300-400 yards and does deliver a larger punch at those ranges.
I have my 375 Wea sighted in on the nose at 200 yards. I feel comfortable hitting a animal at 400 yards (with a good rest) with little thought for adjustment for trajectory. I do not like a cluttered scope with hold over lines or taking time to range everything with a range finder. If the opportunity affords it self for a nice animal, I want to be able to shoulder my rifle and fire a round without fidgeting with a bunch of equipment to determine the distance of my target and how much I need to hold over.
More important is I am very confident in this weapon. I hit what I shoot at with it and generally in the right spot, I do not take risky shots, so it works. I suspect that you can do the same with an H&H. I have one of those as well.
My 375 wea is built on a model 70 action so I do not have the push feed mental block.

This same argument can be made between a 30-06 and a 308.
If one of these weapons works for you. You can put the bullet where you aim then it should be effective.

EZ

To me, besides tradition, the 375 H&H is a wonderful round. It's tapered case design makes feeding and extracting trouble free in any decent rifle. Most hunters can learn to shoot it without flinching, and it's powerful enough to take any animal on earth. That being said, if Barnes had come out with their 350g TSX a year earlier, I probably would've had my CZ in 375 H&H rechambered for 375 Weatherby rather than rebarreled to 500 Jeffrey. I think the real advantage of the 375 Weatherby cartridge (not the rifles) comes with heavy for caliber bullets. A 350g 375 Barnes TSX or Banded Solid at 2550 fps gets you into 416 Rigby country with less recoil. It should be a great long range round as well.

Chuck

A .375Wby has the same advantage over the H&H as the mystical .458 Lott has over the .458Win. So, it must be a better killer

In 97 years, no one has dethrowned Holland and Holland's offering in terms of a round that'll kill any animal that walks or crawls, and past the distance most hunters can place their shots.

Feeds slick, ejects just as well, factory ammo wherever things that bite and claw are hunted, a wonderful history. Nothing is lacking in the round.

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A .375Wby has the same advantage over the H&H as the mystical .458 Lott has over the .458Win. So, it must be a better killer

Not true, the 375 H&H has no problem hitting it's original velocities without running out of powder space, it'll actually do better than it did when it came out 97 years ago.

The 458 win mag on the other hand simply doesn't have enough case capacity to hold enough powder to easily achieve factory velocity with 500 gr bullets, especially with the mono metal solids.

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AI USer, what do you get from a factory H&H round through your 375AI?



BaxterB, never put a factory 375 H&H thru it - I reload.

OK, but when you handload a 375 H&H to about factpry velocities (2530-2550), what loss do you see out of the AI chamber...

I was talking about velocity advantage - being 150 to 200fps faster, means it is a better killer

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Not true, the 375 H&H has no problem hitting it's original velocities without running out of powder space, it'll actually do better than it did when it came out 97 years ago.

The 458 win mag on the other hand simply doesn't have enough case capacity to hold enough powder to easily achieve factory velocity with 500 gr bullets, especially with the mono metal solids.

Have not read all the postings regarding the 375HH, but if I could only have one caliber/rifle, it would be the 375HH and the '06 a close second. I would opt for the 375HH everytime.

martin

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376 steyr
Fits in a standard length action, velocity with a 300grn solid is below 2500fps. Above 2500fps bullet failure becomes increasingly common. Any round that is faster than a .375 H&H sucks on elephant, and is little better on lion.

Hmmm... Common sense, surely the most common sense statement made in this thread at this point... And made by someone who probably knows of what he speaks!...

Though my choice is .375 H&H just because of it's classic status.

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H&H of course, and then the Wby. First reason is personal preference and then onto component availlability. Brass and dies are readilly availlable for the .375H&H and there is no shortage. Other reasons are is that it is a very proven, respected and capable round. Good for everything large and small, near and far. Guess I'm a little biased as I was shootin' mine just yesterday. Winchester model 70 .375H&H Magnum.
Rodney.

Me too!! Any velocity over 2500-2600 fps out of any 375 is superfluous, unless you are shooting at critters over 300 yards. It just exudes class. The 375 H&H rules!!

Lou

The .375 Whelen aka .375-06., with a 250 grs Barnes X. Lighter gun or less recoil, more magazine capasity, at close range every bit as good as the .375 H&H, and outside 200 yards most guys should not hunt anyway.

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outside 200 yards most guys should not hunt anyway.

Can't say which .375 is the best, I guess.

Suppose it might depend on a fellow's exact need and application......one might be a whisker better than another......at least on paper.

I will say that it would take a pretty fair effort to pry my .375 Wby from me. I am satisfied/impressed enough with it's performance that I have no need to look any of the others over.

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I will say that it would take a pretty fair effort to pry my .375 Wby from me. I am satisfied/impressed enough with it's performance that I have no need to look any of the others over.

Ditto.

I was about to have a.375 Weatherby built, and along came the .375 Ruger cartridge. I changed my mind and bought the Ruger, which is my current favorite.

I like the H&H, really like the Weatherby, but don't have any time for the 378 or RUM. If I need that much power I will go bigger in caliber.

The Weatherby offers a little more velocity than the H&H, but I don't see it making a big difference in practical application. If I have to shoot further than 300 yards, I will use my rangefinder anyway...

Plus, the Ruger is very KOOL, and has been proclaimed The New King of the .375's. Can't forget that aspect, either.

Best history: .375 H&H
Best improved: .375 Weatherby
Best future: .375 Ruger

The only 375 I have ever shot is the H + H. But then it worked just fine and I have never felt the need to try any of the others.

I only have experience with one and that is the great 375 H&H.

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I only have experience with one and that is the great 375 H&H.

If you only have experience with the H&H 375..................

I've used them all except the 378 Wby, the RUM and 375 Ruger.
I don't think there is a wrong choice among the the ones I have experience with. My favorites at the moment are the Steyr and the H&H. That could change with the next beer, though.