Do I really need a 577 or 600?.......

11 September 2018, 10:12

gunslinger55

After watching how effective my 458 Lott was on buffalo do I really need my .505? Or even a 577 or 600? Please talk me out of it...Please. But I think I do...Just because...

11 September 2018, 18:04

Bitterroot

“Need” has nothing to do with it.

11 September 2018, 18:18

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Bitterroot:
“Need” has nothing to do with it.

Exactly!

I have practically all calibers up to the 700.

I even have barrels for .12 but have not built anything on them yet!

11 September 2018, 18:26

larryshores

quote:
Originally posted by Bitterroot:
“Need” has nothing to do with it.

Yup. Just fun.

11 September 2018, 19:47

Bryan W

Think of it this way. It is one gun/caliber you could use to kill anything on this earth.

talk about versatility!

Bryan

11 September 2018, 20:09

boom stick

Some like daggers
Some like sabers
Some like broad swords
Some like them all

11 September 2018, 20:15

BNagel

Do it (long) before you lose your chest meat (pectorals.)

11 September 2018, 20:41

Atkinson

Lets keep this simple, No you do not!

11 September 2018, 23:49

gunslinger55

Haha just the answers I was looking for. Somehow my .470 double I just got seems inadequate.....

11 September 2018, 23:50

Bitterroot

quote:
you do not

Geez, you’re no fun. Sound like my wife

12 September 2018, 00:17

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
Lets keep this simple, No you do not!

Let's make it even simpler.

If you have to ask the question, YES, you need it!

12 September 2018, 00:40

gunslinger55

Don't have a wife anymore so that problem solved except the girlfriend is a penny pincher that's a red flag....

quote:
Originally posted by Bitterroot:
quote:
you do not

Geez, you’re no fun. Sound like my wife

12 September 2018, 00:42

gunslinger55

Exactly the answer I was looking for!

Pretty sure if I was blowing 500 grain 458's endwise through buffalo that bigger is better and more is merrier!

quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
Lets keep this simple, No you do not!

Let's make it even simpler.

If you have to ask the question, YES, you need it!

12 September 2018, 00:44

gunslinger55

Yes that is the practical answer and in all respects correct. But wheres the fun in that?

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
Lets keep this simple, No you do not!

12 September 2018, 00:58

MARK H. YOUNG

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Since you have a couple of boomers already maybe you should fund your next safari with the money you'd spend on a 577 or 600. Just a thought.

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12 September 2018, 01:13

gunslinger55

Good point..........Need to see if the .505 delivers like the .458 Lott.....Then go from there...

12 September 2018, 01:45

Jiri

I never needed anything like that. But I always wanted it.

Since I have one and fired it for the first time, I need it ;-)

Will I hunt anything "large enough to match it's power"? I don't think so. Is it fun? Absolutely!

The same with .500 S&W revolver.

Jiri

12 September 2018, 02:21

Paul H

I know I'll never kill enough game to determine if a .458-.475" 480-500 gr bullet at 2150-2300 fps out the muzzle lacks anything against the biggest game to be hunted. That said I wanted to know what I could handle, and thought a very large rifle would be appealing. I got as far as my starting loads with my 500 Jeffrey which were a 600 gr cast bullet leaving the muzzle at 2200 fps. I learned I don't need anything more than that, and honestly would think a good 416 is about as good as it gets in power and shootability.

12 September 2018, 02:35

boom stick

Have you shot one?
If you did, you might have your answer.

12 September 2018, 03:25

jeffeosso

Now some men like a fishin'
But some men like the fowlin'
Some men like to hear,
To hear the cannonball roarin'
Me, I like sleepin',
'Specially in my Molly's chamber

Need? Sirrah, you don't need anything bigger or newer than a 7x57, as have been proven ....

Want? if it doesn't make you sell a kidney, want is fun!

I will tell you, the "normal man" is done with a 458 lott, and truth be told, most can't handle even that much ....

Now, that you have a nice heavy medium, a 577 is yet another journey into maddess,

12 September 2018, 06:30

buckstix

quote:
Originally posted by gunslinger55:
After watching how effective my 458 Lott was on buffalo do I really need my .505? Or even a 577 or 600? Please talk me out of it...Please. But I think I do...Just because...

Hello gunslinger55,

I would suggest you substitute the word "WANT" for "NEED". Its OK to buy something you WANT, and not have to justify the NEED. Perhaps you might ponder something bigger, maybe a 700 NE. That worked for me. I didn't NEED one, but I did WANT one. And, no remorse.

12 September 2018, 07:09

Matthewx

I suggest two each in 577, 600, and 700. You will probably need equivalent bolt rifles as well.

Matthew

12 September 2018, 08:01

gunslinger55

I plan my hunts around my rifles...Is that weird? LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Jiri:
I never needed anything like that. But I always wanted it.

Since I have one and fired it for the first time, I need it ;-)

Will I hunt anything "large enough to match it's power"? I don't think so. Is it fun? Absolutely!

The same with .500 S&W revolver.

Jiri

12 September 2018, 08:03

gunslinger55

My .416 RM is a tackdriver, plenty of power and a pussycat to shoot compared to bigger guns. I was going to stop there but I got sidetracked. Looking forward to testing out my 505......

quote:
Originally posted by Paul H:
I know I'll never kill enough game to determine if a .458-.475" 480-500 gr bullet at 2150-2300 fps out the muzzle lacks anything against the biggest game to be hunted. That said I wanted to know what I could handle, and thought a very large rifle would be appealing. I got as far as my starting loads with my 500 Jeffrey which were a 600 gr cast bullet leaving the muzzle at 2200 fps. I learned I don't need anything more than that, and honestly would think a good 416 is about as good as it gets in power and shootability.

12 September 2018, 08:05

gunslinger55

Not yet looking forward to it. They guy I was with in Australia was looking forward to shooting a buff with a 4 bore. Would love to try that one out....

quote:
Originally posted by boom stick:
Have you shot one?
If you did, you might have your answer.

12 September 2018, 08:06

gunslinger55

Madness it is! But so much fun especially to take hunting

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Now some men like a fishin'
But some men like the fowlin'
Some men like to hear,
To hear the cannonball roarin'
Me, I like sleepin',
'Specially in my Molly's chamber

Need? Sirrah, you don't need anything bigger or newer than a 7x57, as have been proven ....

Want? if it doesn't make you sell a kidney, want is fun!

I will tell you, the "normal man" is done with a 458 lott, and truth be told, most can't handle even that much ....

Now, that you have a nice heavy medium, a 577 is yet another journey into maddess,

12 September 2018, 08:06

gunslinger55

You sir are trouble. But I don't fault your logic!

quote:
Originally posted by Matthewx:
I suggest two each in 577, 600, and 700. You will probably need equivalent bolt rifles as well.

Matthew

12 September 2018, 08:31

boom stick

Every man should start with an 8 bore and work their way down. Most start small and work up. I think the former is better than the latter. there may come a time when the 600 seems too small and nothing will do except a 12 gauge from hell side by side.

13 September 2018, 00:01

Atkinson

I suppose if one is a collector of fine guns, the need is a legitimate cause..strictly as a hunter of DG you do not need any caliber larger than a 9.3x62 or 375 actually, and tricks have been done with much lesser calibers for sure.

13 September 2018, 05:47

gunslinger55

I stood side by side with a hunter shooting a 375 on buffalo. While I love my .375’s I would disagree on this point with large dangerous game

16 September 2018, 17:37

Karl

partly you do just because some men are chosen naturally to have ultra large bores and you owe it to others to be that example of manliness/masochism. Also for those near misses of .11" from the animals brain with a 470 whereas the 577 would have scored a hit.

16 September 2018, 19:49

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Karl:
partly you do just because some men are chosen naturally to have ultra large bores and you owe it to others to be that example of manliness/masochism. Also for those near misses of .11" from the animals brain with a 470 whereas the 577 would have scored a hit.

Karl has it figured out!!!

16 September 2018, 20:08

shootaway

Anyone is going to shoot better with a cartridge that has less recoil.No point in making things difficult on yourself for nothing.Large bones and big muscles do not add brain power.Use what has been proven to get the job done and be done with it.A 458 Lott class cartridge is enough and if you find that too much use a muzzle break.

16 September 2018, 20:50

cal pappas

Gunslinger55:
May 4 (first Saturday in May) 2019 is the Alaska double rifle shoot. Join us if you can. There will be doubles from .350 to .600 and black powder doubles from .360 to 4-bore. Shoot them all if you wish and make your decison then. If you confirm early, stay at my place as my loft is open (to save on hotel charges).
Cal

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16 September 2018, 21:52

Ray B

There are NEEDS and then there are WANTS.

If people only got/built/made what was NEEDED we'd still be traveling on foot on a planet with a carrying capacity of about 1 million humans.

But when we are allowed to achieve our wants, all things are possible.

17 September 2018, 04:21

AnotherAZWriter

quote:
Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I stood side by side with a hunter shooting a 375 on buffalo. While I love my .375’s I would disagree on this point with large dangerous game

I was the guy with the .375; it was chambered for .375 JRS but I shot factory H&H, so my muzzle velocity was lower (and I noticed it recoiled less than my SAKO .375).

I was duly impressed with Gunslingers .458 Lott. He took shots I didn't feel comfortable taking (like Texas heart shots) and he dumped them.

I think the .375 is kind of like a bigger .30-06; great if you have one gun, but not the best in all situations.

19 September 2018, 23:41

gunslinger55

Cal sounds like a great reason to come back up to Alaska!

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Gunslinger55:
May 4 (first Saturday in May) 2019 is the Alaska double rifle shoot. Join us if you can. There will be doubles from .350 to .600 and black powder doubles from .360 to 4-bore. Shoot them all if you wish and make your decison then. If you confirm early, stay at my place as my loft is open (to save on hotel charges).
Cal

19 September 2018, 23:48

gunslinger55

John I picked up another of your A frames from Joe’s place was in a buffalo. Pretty mangled not sure from impact or meat grinder lol. If you had solids those end to Enders may have been feasible with the 375. For the first time using the Lott with those bullets I was pretty impressed with the performance but the recoil can be severe. I would be comfortable hunting anything with this cartridge and loads with no fear of lack of penetration or bullet failure and a whole lot of energy

quote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
quote:
Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I stood side by side with a hunter shooting a 375 on buffalo. While I love my .375’s I would disagree on this point with large dangerous game

I was the guy with the .375; it was chambered for .375 JRS but I shot factory H&H, so my muzzle velocity was lower (and I noticed it recoiled less than my SAKO .375).

I was duly impressed with Gunslingers .458 Lott. He took shots I didn't feel comfortable taking (like Texas heart shots) and he dumped them.

I think the .375 is kind of like a bigger .30-06; great if you have one gun, but not the best in all situations.

19 September 2018, 23:54

gunslinger55

You are correct need is not part of the equation just an excuse. More fascination, obsessiveness and just great fun!

quote:
Originally posted by Ray B:
There are NEEDS and then there are WANTS.

If people only got/built/made what was NEEDED we'd still be traveling on foot on a planet with a carrying capacity of about 1 million humans.

But when we are allowed to achieve our wants, all things are possible.

19 September 2018, 23:56

gunslinger55

Good enough for any and all big stuff by far! I am sold on the Lott big time

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
Anyone is going to shoot better with a cartridge that has less recoil.No point in making things difficult on yourself for nothing.Large bones and big muscles do not add brain power.Use what has been proven to get the job done and be done with it.A 458 Lott class cartridge is enough and if you find that too much use a muzzle break.