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Jeez, it's been so quiet over here lately. We need some lively discussion. What the best bullet for buff in your 45-70?  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | ||
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Gees Dave, that's a wicked thing to do. I would have thought with all the bullet testing that it was obvious ? Oh, I forgot, the 45/70 doesn't go fast enough to kill big game   | |||
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I shot one once with a 420 Cast Performance in a guide gun, well actually I shot it twice as the first round bounced and glanced off the shoulder causing an ugly time in between, finally a good thru the lungs shot and he was down in 30 yds. Might have done better with todays bullets, but 8 yrs ago that's what I had in my hands at the moment. Not enough bullet, and not enough cartridge. Only adequate if considering the perfect shot. I will never shoot another buff with 45/70, but if I was in the bush with a 45/70 I would be toting around some of those 330 gr Barnes Banded Solids! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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What rate of twist should the barrel have? | |||
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I must sometime take my super shorts on a buffalo shoot! 50 and 458! Now that would be fun! By the way Dave, my super shorts are the same size as a guide gun in length and weight and damn sight easier to shoot. The 458 Super Short is going to be a tiny little sledgehammer! M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Terry We have been looking at that pretty serious on the TBP thread here and I think that a 458 caliber barrel needs to be minimum of 1:14 to stabilize most good solids for terminal penetration, 1:12 would begin to stabilize even less than optimum meplats, and RIP believes 1:10 would do a jam up job for that. Now most of our 45/70 barrels are 1:18 and 1:20. For expanding bullets it really makes no difference for terminal penetration. For solids it makes a big difference in terminal stability. One can do the slower twist rates, but you need a reasonable size meplat to stabilize, along the lines of 65% of caliber or better for slower twists. This is still under study, but this is very close I believe. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Dave and Mike Both looking for trouble! HEH http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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 Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I would want a tungsten bullet from 458extremist. He is making some short heavy bullets to give more powder room. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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800 Grain steel "U-Boat" bullet. Preferably rusted a bit. | |||
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we all know that Now all we need is someone to come along and say that the 45/70 is as good as any other 450 Cal LOL | |||
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What is a 45-70? 465H&H | |||
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Typo - it's supposed to be a .45-700 ... | |||
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Combined TomFoolery bullets BT MatchKingsFords 700gr at 321 FPS ... out penetrates even garnet chuckleheads! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Science has shown that buff are impervious to anything with 45-70 on the barrel 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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One that is shot out of a .458 Winchester at 2100 fps and weighs 450 grains or so. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Ah crap. . . . This is not going to turn out well. . . . . But damn fun to watch | |||
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Somebody....maybe it is DumbAss Bullets, makes a 25 caliber/87 grain Sabot for the 45/70... Buffs know about this and basically die from fear before a shot is fired...saves on ammo  DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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