Jeez, it's been so quiet over here lately. We need some lively discussion.

What the best bullet for buff in your 45-70?

Gees Dave, that's a wicked thing to do.

I would have thought with all the bullet testing that it was obvious ?

Oh, I forgot, the 45/70 doesn't go fast enough to kill big game

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Jeez, it's been so quiet over here lately. We need some lively discussion.

What the best bullet for buff in your 45-70?

Sierra MatchKing of course

I shot one once with a 420 Cast Performance in a guide gun, well actually I shot it twice as the first round bounced and glanced off the shoulder causing an ugly time in between, finally a good thru the lungs shot and he was down in 30 yds. Might have done better with todays bullets, but 8 yrs ago that's what I had in my hands at the moment. Not enough bullet, and not enough cartridge. Only adequate if considering the perfect shot.

I will never shoot another buff with 45/70, but if I was in the bush with a 45/70 I would be toting around some of those 330 gr Barnes Banded Solids!

Michael

What rate of twist should the barrel have?

I must sometime take my super shorts on a buffalo shoot! 50 and 458! Now that would be fun!

By the way Dave, my super shorts are the same size as a guide gun in length and weight and damn sight easier to shoot. The 458 Super Short is going to be a tiny little sledgehammer!

M

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Originally posted by TerryR:
What rate of twist should the barrel have?

Terry

We have been looking at that pretty serious on the TBP thread here and I think that a 458 caliber barrel needs to be minimum of 1:14 to stabilize most good solids for terminal penetration, 1:12 would begin to stabilize even less than optimum meplats, and RIP believes 1:10 would do a jam up job for that. Now most of our 45/70 barrels are 1:18 and 1:20. For expanding bullets it really makes no difference for terminal penetration. For solids it makes a big difference in terminal stability. One can do the slower twist rates, but you need a reasonable size meplat to stabilize, along the lines of 65% of caliber or better for slower twists.

This is still under study, but this is very close I believe.

Michael

Dave and Mike

Both looking for trouble!

HEH

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Originally posted by Mike70560:

quote:

Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Jeez, it's been so quiet over here lately. We need some lively discussion.

What the best bullet for buff in your 45-70?

Sierra MatchKing of course

I would want a tungsten bullet from 458extremist.
He is making some short heavy bullets to give more powder room.

800 Grain steel "U-Boat" bullet. Preferably rusted a bit.

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Originally posted by michael458:
Dave and Mike

Both looking for trouble!

HEH

we all know that


Now all we need is someone to come along and say that the 45/70 is as good
as any other 450 Cal
LOL

What is a 45-70?

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
What is a 45-70?

465H&H

Typo - it's supposed to be a .45-700 ...

Combined TomFoolery bullets
BT MatchKingsFords
700gr at 321 FPS ...
out penetrates even garnet chuckleheads!

Science has shown that buff are impervious to anything with 45-70 on the barrel

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What the best bullet for buff in your 45-70?

One that is shot out of a .458 Winchester at 2100 fps and weighs 450 grains or so.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Combined TomFoolery bullets
BT MatchKingsFords
700gr at 321 FPS ...
out penetrates even garnet chuckleheads!

Ah crap. . . . This is not going to turn out well. . . . . But damn fun to watch

Somebody....maybe it is DumbAss Bullets, makes a 25 caliber/87 grain Sabot for the 45/70...

Buffs know about this and basically die from fear before a shot is fired...saves on ammo