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I find the big guns fascinating, although, to date, I have only owned two different .416 Rem Mags. Some of the guns I would love to have, provided I had the extra money is: a double .500 Jeffry a double .470 NE a bolt action .505 Gibbs. Guns I have no desire to ever own or shoot include: .600 NE .577 Whatever .460 Wby Mag .458 Win Mag Are there any big bore rifles you wouldn't want? BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | ||
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Anything with recoil greater than a Lott. | |||
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.458 Win Mag is my favorite all-around African Rifle. I have no use for anything over .50 cal. If I am going just for ele or buff...I take my old .458 WM model 70 and my .500 NE double. If I am going ele/buff and other game including antelope or leopard...I usually carry my .500 NE and .375 H&H. I like the .416 Rem Mag as well for an all around. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Buff..the .600 NE is fun to shoot...heavy but sloow recoil..would love to shoot elephant with it..if I owned one.. I second Lane on the .458Win...an underestimated round (with modern loads..)...works fine on ele.. As to your question: .378 and .460 Weatherby and any of the over-the-top-screwball wildcats..not for me. I use a .375H&H .470 and a .475 and a .500 Jeffery is coming.. | |||
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The ones I have no interest in are pretty minimal. I have no interest in anything with Ruger as part of the name, more due to the stab in the back from Wm Ruger and the company back in the assault weapon ban days. I have shot a .378 WBY twice, and have no interest in that again. If funds were unlimited, buying over .50 doubles would be interesting, but I fail to see a hunting need for me. Honestly, I already have more hunting rifles than I have hunts, so I don’t “need” anything more, but all the old classic safari calibers interest me. | |||
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458 Lott While I enjoy Jack Lott's writing, I have heard enough from his cartridge admirers. The .458 WM WILL do 2150+ FPS with handloads and not a tremendous amount of compression. Its funny, when you read about handloading for other big bores, they recommend compressed loads so the bullets don't get pushed into the case during recoil. But with the 458WM its a bad thing. I've shot elephant, buff, impala and warthog with mine and cannot find fault. | |||
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Anything beyond a 375H&H and 375 Ruger. Need to get rid of 458 Lott and 450-400 (I may hunt a buffalo with the double before I get rid of it) Mike | |||
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My choice for keeping . 416 Rem 458 Win Mag 470 NE double Nothing larger. EZ | |||
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None of the biggest Weatherbys. 700 H&H | |||
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Ive owned most and I never got attached to anything larger htan 40 caliber, favor the 404 and 416..I like a 375 and 9.3x62 or 64..I am paying the piper for shooting the 500s 577,458 Lott, busitas, blew out my ears, pulled my thumb outta my nose a few times, got some half moons, and for what? wasted my testosterone!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I don't have a need or desire for a 577+. I've got a 500 Acc Rel, so I don't need a Jeffrey or Gibbs. Also a 416 Rigby that can be handloaded up over 6000 ft#. So I don't need another 40 cal. But I'm waiting for the right configuration of a 416 Ruger as an ultimate "heavy" caliber when I'm in my 70's. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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375 Ruger and 416 Ruger. Any of that Euro stuff like 10.75×68mm 500 Jeffery. For me it would be 500 A2 for sheer practicality and 505 Gibbs for sheer desirability but only in the right rifle and that would not be a CZ. | |||
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Anything larger than 375. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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505 Gibbs and any of the big Weatherbys. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I'm a fan of the 416 over the 375. The 416 will do everything the 375 will and more, albeit with a bit more recoil. Time spent on the range with the caliber minimizes the effect. I'm also a huge fan of the 500 NE. With the 470 NE and 500 NE being built on the same frame, they have similar weights, the ammo is of similar weights, and the recoil of the two is similar. We've hashed that recoil debate out many times and the bottom line is taking a look at Chuck Hawes recoil charts, the difference between the two is roughly the equivalent of a 243 Win. In any event, it's a smart and logical step up from the 470 to the 500. For me, the 500 NE represents a tipping point of sorts. I owned and hunted elephant and buffalo with a 577 NE in 2012. Personally, I don't find the step up in recoil to be that much of an issue however, this is the point that the step up in weight really makes an impression. The weight of the gun as well as the ammo is significant when carried all day for several days in a row. The rifle is also physically larger and just seems to require more "man handling" to get it into position and reloading quickly. One additional comment on the weight of the 577. I didn't hit my buffalo properly on the first shot which resulted in a follow up of about 2 hours. I've got some back issues and carrying that weight "at the ready", out front, slumped over as we sneaked through the Mopani forrest really took a toll on the back. In reality, I didn't shoot the 577 as well as I do a 500. So if there is a caliber I really don't care to own in the future, I'd say 577 and 600 as I've pretty well defined what my limit of functionality is. | |||
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I am sure what you are saying is correct if the amount of shooting is limited. However, up the shooing and things change. I have found the limit is the 375 and even then when loaded around 71 grains of Varget/4064 which is about 2650 with 270 grains and 68 grains is about 2400 plus with 300 grains. I can and have used a 375 all week including spotlight shooting with those sort of loads. But even jumping things up with Re 15 it will get a bit much. The 3031 burn rate works well with 3 grains less for both bullets and velocity is similar. St that level I can shoot a 375 exactly the same as I would a 270 and including from improvised rests. Again, I am talking about a lot of shooting and of course things change with limited number of shots. I have said it before on AE. It was a 375 H&H and not a 395 H&H because of recoil. Remember when the calibre was introduced it was to use on everything and back in those days there would have been a heap more shooting done in a day in Africa than would be the case today. I have never had the opportunity of course but I would have liked to have tried the 375 with the original cordite loads. From memory the powder charge was from about 58 grains for 300s through to 63 grains for 235 grainers. I suppose a powder that sat somewhere between 4198 and 3031 might go close to duplicating those original loads. | |||
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For me, the most unpleasant to shoot, is the Mk 5 Weatherby in 378wm. Between the light weight, the WTBY style Monte Carlo and the high recoil velocity, the damn thing just gives me a headache when shooting from the bench! I would much rather shoot the 460, it just seems a bit less shocking. I sold my 500 ACCRel a couple of years ago to Liveoak, that one was not much fun from the bench either, but the 378 is my Achilles heel. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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@OP: I would never have a SAAMI .458 Lott again. I would keep one of those only if I had run a SAAMI.458 WIN.MAG. reamer into it, stopping at the belt, untouched belt recess. This would make it into a .458 Lott Like Jack Built, the wildcat circa 1971. I hate the SAAMI .458 Lott more than the .500 Jeffery. To prove it, I will have to get a .500 Jeffery put together on a CZ 550 Magnum.
Mike, Thus, one could safely use X grains of IMR-3031 or X grains of BENCHMARK-EXTREME by Hodgdon in place of X grains of Cordite, and work up in 0.1 grain increments to fine tune it. Light recoil would be very much like the old Cordite load for the .375 H&H. I'll try to remember to look up the old Cordite .375 H&H loadings to confirm your listing. EDIT: Datig says: .375 BELTED RIMLESS MAGNUM NITRO EXPRESS: 300-GR BULLET: 58 grains Cordite (2500 fps) .375 FLANGED MAGNUM NITRO EXPRESS: Lower pressure & velocity 300-gr bullet: 56 grains Cordite (2425 fps) 270-gr bullet: 59 grains Cordite 235-gr bullet: 60 grains Cordite Will see if Hoyem lists the lighter-bullet, Cordite loads for the .375 H&H "Belted". EDIT: Hoyem lists exactly the same Cordite recipes as Datig did for the .375 H&H Flanged Magnum. Hoyem's report of Cordite loads in the .375 H&H Magnum Rimless/Belted (Light bullet weight of 232-grain instead of 235-grain weight is claimed, maybe he actually pulled one and weighed it?): 300-gr bullet: 58 grains Cordite 270-gr bullet: 61 grains Cordite 232-gr bullet: 62 grains Cordite  Rip ... | |||
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None....That’s my problem..... White Mountains Arizona | |||
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The concepts of things like the .950 JDJ and .700 NE don't appeal to me but if someone wanted to give me an H&H in any calibre, I'd be glad to accept it  | |||
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460 Weatherby has never inspired me..... Cheers, Mark. | |||
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.375 Ruger .416 Ruger and 416 Remington prefer the classics! I have .458WM, 470 Capstick, 50 Alaskan and 50-110 Winchester. Pretty happy with my selection. Sold my 375 H+H, need a new one though. | |||
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Guns I never want to own: 1. Anything with significantly more recoil than my 500 Jeffery (505 Gibbs is fine) 2. Any Weatherby bigger than my 375 Weatherby. 3. No Rugers, got bit by one that wouldn't shoot a long time ago. 4. No new Remingtons. I love my ancient BDL in 270, the last one I bought (which is fine now) had to go to the gunsmith right out of the box. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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He's been gone almost 20 years, you got to let it go.  On the upside, modern day Ruger Manufacturing is making some great stuff and is quick to respond to whatever the market is asking for."The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Sorry to hear that. My wife really likes her little Ruger Alaskan in 375Ruger, 20"barrel:  Shooting groups like that means that papa Tanzan wouldn't object to borrowing it, even though its a lefty.  +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Nice groups and I've heard a lot of good things about the Ruger's in 375 and 416 Ruger. Already have those niches filled. My favorite rifle is my CZ 550 in 500 Jeffery. Built like a tank, massive action machined from billet, but balanced perfectly and swings like a fine shotgun.  3 shot groups at 50 yards ...   Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Large bore Weatherby calibers. Any caliber above the .500s. Any rifle that weighs 10 lbs.+ Pushfeed large bores. Double rifles. Nothing wrong with any of the above: they’re just not for me due to either my age (recoil), my size (rifle weight) or preference (CRF bolt action).  | |||
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Any nitro express round .500 and larger, another .458 Lott, .378 or .460 Weatherby. All are too much of a good thing for me anymore. Just because I can shoot them does not mean I want too. The only reason I have a .458 WM is because I found a Ruger 77 at a price way too low to pass up. One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. - Groucho Marx | |||
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Saeed's 577 T Rex! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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This is like asking what color hair a girl you do not want to sleep with! I have from 17 all the way to 700. I have barrels for 14 and 12 caliber, just have not had the time to build rifles for them!  | |||
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Good answer! I might have said 450 Dakota or 460 Wby some 3+months ago...but bought a 450 Dakota a few months ago (an AHR CZ550) and I am loving it. I have about 150 rounds through it and it is a wonderful rifle. Shot some 550gr Woodies this morning. Working my way up to 100gr of IMR 4350...going to stop at 2,200 fps with the 550. Should hit that with tomorrow's loads. My point is, any cartridge I say I don't want to own...if I had it in a decent rifle I'd probably like it! 0351 USMC | |||
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No love for the Weatherby here. I don't hunt, but I enjoy reloading and shooting. Horsepower is interesting. | |||
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+1, no Weatherby for me either | |||
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I need to find something interesting...458 win mag, 458 Lott and 416 Rem Mag could not keep my interest. I like Weatherby rifles but Left Handed is rare. I had the chance on a custom 375RUM LH on here and missed out. "Let me start off with two words: Made in America" | |||
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I own a 458 Lott, 500 NE 3 inch, and 450 Nitro 3 1/4 inch. I do not want anymore big bores. Somewhere I will pick up a 375 HH to go with my stable of 375 Rugers. One day, I would like to add a 375 FLM in double. | |||
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700 NE, 458 Lott, 460 WBY Ones I always wanted... 495 A square or 500..I let a LH Ceaser In a 495 get away about 4 years ago..wish I could get that back, same with a 460 short Asquare...cool gun... DRSS Member | |||
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I don’t get all the hate for the big Weatherby’s. There are plenty of other guns that kick real hard, but it seems to be popular to whine about the Weatherby’s. My absolute favorites are the .378 and .460. Something really cool about all that energy yet they shoot really flat too. Now that I finally got the bedding sorted out on my German .378 (in a Japanese stock) it’s shooting great and a ton of fun to carry and shoot. No brake, but a good recoil pad really helped. My Japanese .460 has always shot awesome. It seems to like most all bullets from 300 gr. to 500 gr. I’m pretty well stocked up on my .378 reloads, but need to do some loading for the .460. I’ve even set up the .460 on the progressive press in the past. This reminds me that both of those rifles need to be carried on a few hunts again. | |||
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can't thing of anything - i like guns, i like accurate guns, i like reloading, and i like recoil .. there's some platforms that aren't my favorite, but, nah, no calibers i "never" want to own ... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Ones you can’t find brass for. I have an irrational aversion to the .505” diameter. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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The .458 Win Mag with best powders and bullets is my maximum -- but I have tended to hunt mostly paper for the past decade, unfortunately. I wish I had kept the .416 Taylor on a VZ-24 that I had built. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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