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Dan: In my post, I said functional...did a little research. Went to Jim Kobe's website, as he seems to be well thought of on the forum. For what I consider functional, feeding, blueprinting action, barreling, chambering and such..along with a wood stock (composite would be cheaper), cross bolts included. I added up the cost and it came to about 3K. Now, and again this is my opinion, to be functional, I don't think you need a scope, super fancy wood, high polish blue, quarter rip, skelton grip cap, engraving, new bolt handle, forend tip, anything other than basic "4 panel" checkering and such. I priced this "imaginary rifle" using a Win 70 action. That eliminates the need for a new safety. I happen to like the M70 trigger, so that doesn't need replacing either. As for finish, beadblast and blue...probably another $200. If you have to buy an action, say even at 1K, you still have around 2K left over from the 6K budget which could be used, but don't think so judging by what I have read about Jim's work, to make the rifle feed in the proper $80,000 rifle way. Functional...yes...pretty, well I guess that is in the eye of the beholder. Haven't got a chance to go to Africa yet, but I don't think that a cape buffalo would really care one way or another if it was the rifle I just "built" or a 80K ot more rifle...but again, never having been there I might be wrong about a cape buffalo's taste in fine rifles that are to be used to kill him. Part 2-----Just went to the Satterlee website..same basic gun as above, with synthetic stock, under $5500. I understand, but may be wrong, that Mr. Satterlee builds his actions and magazine assemblies for a specific caliber...so I am guessing that that would get rid of any problems pertaining to feeding issues. Now if I had that magical $80K, I could by a whole battery of his rifles, and still have enogh for a trip or two to Africa!!!  | |||
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It belongs in a art museum exibit! I think paying 40K, or more for any rifle is fcraaaaazy!  I can always buy more land, they don't make any more of that!  | |||
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JpK, Its not really " forgetting" the stock as you put it. Premium metal has stand alone value & integrity. It remains premium metal whether is sits waiting as a barreled action,sits in glass or in walnut. A guy may fit a glass stock to it while he gathers more money for the best walnut and stockwork. You can never go wrong with strong foundations.You always have the option to build upon them. If I was limited in budget when it came to doing the wood, I would rather spend it on the best aged and layed out walnut with precise inlet,even if it means forgoing the checkering, than to choose a more compromising piece of walnut with fancy checkering and substandard inlet. For me,High integrity but simple Premium metal and wood work gets first priority over fancy checkering,octagonal barrels,engraving,gold inlay.. etc. It was like when I had a FreedomArms 454 casull, there were other folk with converted and engraved rugers and what not, but when you felt the fit and function of the FAcasull and whitnessed it accuracy, you were well aware of it integrity, though she be rather plain in appearance. A Good lookin well framed and proportioned gal looks good even in a pair of torn jeans. You cannot really hide what she has. Same goes for premium metal in a glass stock. Though no doubt I would agree that they are both often better complimented in Armani or Fine walnut. But I will take the torn blue jeans and glass stock If I know whats inside of them has integrity, pedigree and more potential. No doubt there are others that are happy with expensive gold wrap that surrounds a cheap present, though it really cost no less than a fine present wrapped in brown paper. Im enjoying this thread, it reveals whats really out there and what choices and options one has. | |||
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Wow-wee, has this thread gotten a life of its own! Will everybody agree on this: To each his own!  I have seen high dollar rifles that were, well, not so high dollar in quality and function, seen the opposite on reasonably priced rifles too. BUT, when a guy shows me a "Hum-dinger" of a rifle (which rarely occurs) and tells me what he paid for it, one of 2 things happens: a) I think, cool, I'd pay that for "That". b) Wonder if they'd make me one the way I want it... ...AND guys, I believe it is the "b" that gets the folks to buy these high-end guns in the first place!(that's first, not second-hand) Adding to that is the fact that most of the guns in this price range are not "spec" guns, or itemized to the dime...These buyers just don't care what it costs if it turns out the way they wanted it. They have a rough idea but ain't gonna cry foul if it lands a few thou past where they figured it would go. ...Never forget that the guns you "see" are somebody else's "culls"...The "best-of-the-best" rarely get seen by the public at large. What you see at the Reno & Vegas shows, H&H, Purdey and GA websites are the guns that the elite collectors turned down, or, didn't want. Sometimes a top collector will allow the makers to show his latest "jewels" to help them sell, but usually this is not the case. That my friends is the true reality of this thread, JMPE (Just My Personal Experience) JW | |||
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I will be glad to take all the $80,000 culls that are out there if someone gave them to me! I will count each and every one of them as the jewels in my collection. I aint that proud. | |||
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Me Too! (if someone gave them to me!!)  | |||
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or to rephrase..."i respect your right to be wrong and stupid" 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Woodjack, We see things differently. The "torn jeans" analogy for me is the rifle with inevitable scratches and worn bluing, knicks and wear on the stock. That is why I don't mind hunting with expensive guns. That and the sure knowledge that what man makes he can remake. If I had a premium rifle in the works and couldn't swing the premium stock to go with it, it would sit waiting til I could. Maybe its just my complete aversion to fiberglass or kevlar stocks that can't get me there from here. I also prefer my bolt rifles relatively plain. I don't like much engraving and I think that quality and beauty speaks for itself. For wood, a great piece of walnut with great grainflow and color, good color contrast but not the swirly figure that seems to be getting more popular. Continuing with the analogy rifle=woman, a georgeous beauty looks her finest with an excellent dress or gown that is finly made and fitted but simple and that that shows her off, a less atractive gal might do better with more frills and fluff. That $80k rifle is one side of the spectrum, I'm thinking Weatherby migh be the other. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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JPK, I get you. No doubt there are those that dont mind the metal sitting on its idle lonesome. I would sit waiting also,but if I could foresee that it was going to take considerable time to gather 7k+ for premium wood&stockwork, I would strongly consider having a Mcmillan fitted for $700, to allow me to go hunting& enjoy more of what options I have at that time. Cause who knows, a person could get hit by a bus in the time he spends waiting for the walnut. I would not loose too much sleep waiting for wood stock If I could hunt in the meantime with somethn' like this:    | |||
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A ZKK 602 in .375H&H cost me $475, if I remember correctly. After 800+ shots fired only one "hickup" due to short-stroking (my fault). Aren't those updated 602 mutants (aka 550 Magnum) not reliable?  | |||
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They have been hit and miss. Some are fine and some don't feed. Some split stocks. Some have a good trigger and some have an awful trigger. etc. | |||
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I never understood why people say do this or do that today cause you might get run over and killed tomorrow. That I don't understand cause you would be dead anyway. Now the go today cause tomorrow you might be sick, or crippled now that makes sense. Sitting around not being able to go I understand. but if you were dead your dead.  "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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After seeong the pic of that 80000 dollar rifle, I am know trying to get an integral quarter rib(whaatever its called) on my custom rifle. | |||
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Glad to hear that there are good options under 10K. | |||
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Going to go on the (imaginary) action you ordered that you can't tell us the name of because other makers might get jealous of you spending your money with someone else? | |||
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Hey bulldog,it's a Satterlee.A complete wood stocked rifle chambered for the 458 Lott. | |||
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You dont say? I am als getting one of Stuarts Beautiful actions. Is he building the whole rifle? Be sure to post pictures during the build and of the finished rifle . He does excellent work. | |||
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Woodjack, It is a lefty so I am aleady inclined to love it! Still, as nice as that rifle looks, it looks to be begging for a beautiful piece of wood. JPK Free 500grains | |||
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bulldog,yes he is building the whole rifle.Ofcourse, if I somehow get pics, I will share.Hope to see what yours looks like! Is he building a complete rifle for you? | |||
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I'll be getting a fully integral barrel.This meaning the quarter rib,sling swivel and ramp front sight are all machined into the barrel itself.I might also choose to go with a little engraving and make it right the first time. | |||
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