I think he thought one was bad enough and didn't want any more around.

Chuck

I get my cast RCBS 350 grain FN GC bullets (#416-350-FN) from:
Western Bullet Company
904 Kensington Ave
Missoula, MT 59801
(406) 728-4801
Well made, great price.
JCN

If you want a rifle the size and weight of a 375 H&H with the power of a 458 Win in close and an '06 trajectory on the plains, the 416 Rem is the ticket. If you want a bigger rifle with a true mag length action, the Rigby will do the same thing with more powder. If you want more power from the Rigby, it is there for the handloader, but one is better off with a 416 Weatherby in that case, and loading it down to Rigby levels when useful.

The alleged pressure problems with the Rem are easily cured by using AA 4350 with the 400 grain bullets. These make 2450 fps at 43,900 CUP, well below the SAAMI spec of 54,000 CUP.

So the conclusion to drawn here, after all these comments, is that .416 Rem. Mag. is vastly superior to all of its competitors.

AC - I wish it was that cut and dried. If so, we would all be shooting Howitzers. The size of the hole is only one of several factors. Many folks around here get fixated on the size of the hole, the type of bullet, 100 fps +/-, and a whole bunch of undescribable voodoo. Most of these folks have spent little time in the field.

At the end of the day it comes down to plumbing & electricity...

Bill, Bill, Bill - You missed the point all together. It�s all about the size of the hole. The bigger the hole, the quicker they die.

I don't know why you guys are so fixated on small bore cartridges like the .416.

ZD,

I thought you were the guy that lamented all this BS about +/- 100 fps, whether 10 grains of powder really meant a sh*t as far as recoil, that a 350 gr. bullet at 2700 fps can kill deer, and that relinquishing magazine capacity doesn't matter?

Tweak, tweak.

Poor deer!



Here is my .416 Dakota

Will,
The accepted conclusion is that the .416 Dakota is vastly superior to all its competitors, the 416 Rigby is a close second, and the .416 Remington is a less-close third.

Popularity with the masses (but what do they know?)is just the reverse in ranking.

1. .416 Remington
2. .416 Rigby
3. .416 Dakota, if we limit ourselves only to the three "best" 416's.

But the .416's Taylor, Hoffman, and Barnes Supreme ain't bad atall.

Zero Drift,
Just wouldn't let me quit, eh?
The Rigby can easily handle a 350 grainer at 2700 fps (or faster if you want it shooting flatter), and make hits pretty easy at 350 yards. I used just such a load on a fallow deer at 342 yards, laser ranged before the shot, and just held on the top of the back for point of aim (350 grain Barnes XFB Cannelured). I shot caribou out to 350 yards with a 340 Weatherby too, but that is about my limit. I do not advocate stunt shooting.

Surely the 416 dakota will move a 350 grainer along at 2700 fps at higher pressure and less recoil, so in the recoil department it might be better.

To my current thinking, a Dakota 76 in .416 Dakota might be the best all around hunting rifle in the world. And you have one, eh? I am green with envy.

1: Pressure.
2: Length.
3: Practical difference on game; none.

Dave

Rip - 350 grain bullets at 350 yards



Long range bear hunting with a howitzer???

Hey RIP,
Premier Reticles has the Mildot thing down for Leupolds. They put them in the first focal plane. Also, they have the best price on Leupolds that I have found. They do reticle conversions for the Leupold factory so their work does not void the Leupold warranty.
I have a VXIII LR 30mm 3.5x10 with the mildot conversion. Impressive.
JCN

Zero Drift,
Aye, I have the Dakota cartridge plaque with all their dummies (404 too), and by golly I have 6mmPPC live ammo for a Cooper, so your post evades my question. I guess you are saying it is an optical illusion and you did not switch the 450 Dakota and 416 Dakota cartridges in the photo. That still appears to be an awfully skinny 450 Dakota cartridge in the rifle photo. My eyes are playing tricks on me, eh?

I thought this would die a natural death but now it's up to 3 pages on my PC. Anyone for four?

JohnCharlieNoak,
Ah so, that it is good to know, that Premier Reticles can fix the Leupold booboo on mil dot reticles. Not that mil dot reticles are a good idea on every .416 rifle, but good to know. Now there is no excuse for using anything except a Leupold.

Now, for the cookie-cutter scars on the forehead problem, what about a slip on rubber bumper, to eliminate the only other Leupold deficiency, according to some? Knock wood ... Nah, That would get in the way of those nifty Butler Creek scope caps that keep the lenses clean.

Rip - The cartridge pictured next to the .450 Dakota rifle is the .450 Dakota cartridge. Must be an optical illusion. I have also checked the original picture - looks about the same as the scan.



Bill - Glad to be of service. I know how embarrassing it must be to still have that little .416 Remington.

Maybe this will help - From Left to Right .450 Dakota, .416 Dakota, .330 Dakota, 7mm Dakota, 6mm PPC. (The .450 and the .416 look similar, but the .450 Dakota parent case is the .416 Rigby and the .416 Dakota parent case is the .404 Jeffery)

You could give me the measures of the following cases
330 Dakota
416 Dakota
7 mm Dakota

quote:

Originally posted by tera:
You could give me the measures of the following cases
330 Dakota
416 Dakota
7 mm Dakota

Tera,
Please give this a rest and buy a cartridges of the world

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Tera,
Please give this a rest and buy a cartridges of the world

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
I don't know why you guys are so fixated on small bore cartridges like the .416.

Is there really that much weight difference between say a cz .416 rigby and an m70 .416 rem mag ??

Yes,
With the American style stock paticularly. The weight is appreciated in the .416.

LD

quote:

Originally posted by tera:
You could give me the measures of the following cases
330 Dakota
416 Dakota
7 mm Dakota

http://www.dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Dakota_Brass

Dont ever say I didnt do anything for ya.

I love my three 416 rem mags.I laod it with new factory brass and sperr 350 gr bullets for around $20 a box.That should be a factory load because the speer 350 gr mag tip is a very good bullet.The 416 rem mag brass is alot cheaper than the rigby and Weatherby brass.The Weatherby brass is the strongest of the three but you pay for it.I like loading down my 416 rem mag with 76 grs of reloader 15 with the 350 gr speerr bullet.It still shoots 2400 fps which is enough for most any deer,elk or moose if you wanted to use it for that.I loved the 325 gr barnes x bullet but they quit making them.I loaded them to 2800fps.You only need one kind of powder in the 416 rem mag to shoot any bullet Reloader 15.I have shot from the 300 gr barnes to the 410 gr woodleigh bullet.I hope the 416 rem mag stays around forever.I have two Remington big game rifles with 22" barrels that are my brush bear guns and a model 70 express in 416 rem mag.I have shot around 2000 rounds out of my three rifles mostly shooting the Winchester model 70.I got all three rifles for around $600 each which was a bargin.Its hard to find a winchester for $1300 now.I hope to get a bear or moose with my 416 this year.I almost shot a doe once with the 350 gr load but didnt do it.I am glad I bought these rifles when I did.