Recovered .505" FN's.......from Dangerous FWSB's

505" S&H Brass FN for Gibbs 558 Grains

2450 FPS...penetration 48"...553 Grains remaining

2600 FPS...penetration 56"...551 Grains remaining

505" Woodleigh SP for Gibbs 600 Grains

2450 FPS...penetration = shrapnel 320 Grains remaining

Range to Target - 25 Yards





Proving once again that Frozen Waterlogged Sand Bags are no match for a Saxon with a Screw Machine and a Yeti with a 505 Gibbs!

Special Thanks to Rich for working up the loads and "Pig Wrestling" the sand bags indoors to thaw in sub freezing teperatures

Outstanding integrity of your brass FN solid. Fail Safe and then some.

who is going to taxedermy the sandbabs

BRAVO!

yer makin the woodleigh look bad...

You will notice from the rifling engravure that it was done with a 1:10" TWIST McGowen barrel.

The Woodleigh was a soft and just for comparison. Maybe someone else will be up to the task of performing a similar test with other bullets. Woodleigh & Barnes Solids into whatever medium from the same rifle with the same load.

Rich's test is about as severe as it gets for structural integrity, but is very unlike game, and of course there is no sense in comparing the Woodleigh soft to any solid for structural integrity or penetration in frozen wet sand bags, except for entertainment purposes.
Also, roundnose or FN solids will both stay on track in frozen sand, I guess, just like they do in stacks of wood. Not a good test for what makes the FN so special in game.

I have yet to get a Woodleigh roundnose FMJ or the old Barnes roundnose brass solid to stay on course in the IWB.

I have the S&H .395/330-grain brass FN, and the GSC .395/340-grain copper FN. I could test that in the latest version of the IWB consisting of 10" compartments of 1.5" wood and water.

I suspect in frozen wet sand bags, the copper FN would expand and penetrate less.

It would be a close contest in the IWB.

Best of all would be to Texas Brain Shoot some elephants. Either the S&H or the GSC would be sufficient, but the photo finish there would be interesting.

You aren't trying to start a penetration war are you RIP??




You know there's stuff here in the mad science lab that's VERY interesting!! How much clock cleaning do you really want??

Unfortunately none recovered from dangerous game, just the game pictures to look at.

Gerard,

Please forward a few Hippo, Elephant, & Buffalo for us inexperienced guys to use as proper test medium.

We are running out of things that will stop bullets.

I will check with our service provider to see if we can email them.

They said no.

Sorry, you will have to find your own.

What? No comments about the performance of 10" twist in the .505 Gibbs?
Obviously capable of top velocity without blowing up the rifle.
The brass bullet was going fast enough for it to start expanding/deforming a wee bit, besides the sand blast grinding the nose off the bullet.

The S&H bullet might feature in the next Tremors sequel movie.
Good for shooting through sand into subterranean monsters.
The trick will be a targeting system to spot the giant worms before they eat the shooter.

Where is that "Chubby Checker Doing the Twist" emoticon when you need it?

quote:

Where is that "Chubby Checker Doing the Twist" emoticon when you need it?

Best I can do:

eeeew...

that dancing looks like they drink miller lite

Talk/type all you want Boomstick, this weekend I will have video to post (somehow) of der Boominator cranking off a round or two with the 550 and 505 Gibbs...

We shall see what the young jedi's recoil limits are...


Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Sacrificing a big-bore virgin at the altar of Gibbs!!

Have fun Boomy!

Cheers,
Canuck

Are we about to get a new "Champions" video???

Rich, hope the snow is deep enough for your rilfe to land "softly".

Keith

I am awaiting the Boomster videos with baited breath!

John

Don't worry Boomer! The video won't be viewable EVERYWHERE on the planet!! (some places don't have electricity)

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Talk/type all you want Boomstick, this weekend I will have video to post (somehow) of der Boominator cranking off a round or two with the 550 and 505 Gibbs...

We shall see what the young jedi's recoil limits are...


Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

The boomster made it up there for a shoot? Good deal, I wondered if you men were able to get together after all. I wish I could have gone too!

I've been wanting to scope Idaho out for a fall trip some day. I'm in Wyoming this fall.

Surely boom stick is not the Boominator. That would be Rich's nephew, surely, being offered up to the red gods.

Mac, and JKS, you are confused or my guess is wrong.

If boom stick won't finish off a 470 AR and report on shooting that, even though funding for it was donated by Mike and Blair from Australia (they paid the stupid tax on it too) ... how in the heck is boom stick going to have the gumption to travel to Idaho to shoot?

Colonel Mustard in the Pantry??

Not Colonel Mustard.
Captain Obvious.

RIP, the delay in rifle construction is undestandable; Boomie's line of business (mortgage broker) has gone into the tank with the housing fiasco.

Even better on the shootout. I was able to get him into the SHOT Show for the weekend! He will have stories to last all year, and on a lonely road somewhere on the outskirts of Vegas he will experience Big Bore Nirvana. I'm going to duct tape the rifle to him, and him to a light pole!

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

O.K.
Not Idaho.
boom stick is to finally shoot a big bore in Nevada? More believable.
I'll believe it when it happens.
No squib loads!
No mercy!

Mortgage Broker?!?!?! Ok get em a hot load in RGB's 600 then!!! No Mercy!!

driving to vegas...
might even carpool...
wholesale mortgage... I am the middle guy between the brokers and the wall street investors. The bad guys tend to be mortgage brokers, loan officers and direct banks looking the other way. Its not so much the biz that has been hard these last 3 years its been the first home and wife that drains all the money...

I have survived the worst and it will only get
better.

I do what I can and with good friends, cooperation and kindness of others sometimes good things happen. The 470 will be on display at the shoot out in march in Texas that I hope to attend and see some of your ugly faces in person.

VERY ugly trust me Boomer!! If I make it to Africa before I croak off I won't need a rifle to slay the animals! One look from this mug and they'll wish they'd spied Medussa!!

I guess what happens in vegas won't stay there...
rip... Fly down for the weekend and see firsthand.
I should make a name tag with "boom stick" on it and see how many laughs I get.

quote:

wholesale mortgage... I am the middle guy between the brokers and the wall street investors. The bad guys tend to be mortgage brokers, loan officers and direct banks looking the other way. Its not so much the biz that has been hard these last 3 years its been the first home and wife that drains all the money...

OK...Now I am struggling not to hate you. I am in the lumber biz ...and the worst ain't over by a long shot.

Ah, its all OK boomie....don't hate da playa, hate da game! Right?



Cheers
Canuck

Rich you're taking the boom to Lost Wages? Cool!! Being as boom is a cameraman, you & he, can team up for a kickass report!
Take it easy on the little fella! We need him in one piece afterward.

After this we may need a new handle for him, maybe "Willow"; as it is said a willow sways in the storm while mighty oaks stand firm and are uprooted. And my new handle will be "Stormbringer".
This is starting to sound like a "Lord of the Rings" trailer.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

quote:

After this we may need a new handle for him, maybe "Willow";

Or maybe "weeble".

Anyone that grew up in the '80s (or had kids growing up then) will likely remember that commercial...."Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down!"



Cheers,
Canuck

Billy Holiday's 1930's version of Weeping Willow comes to mind.....

What great news! Boomer is going to finally get his 470 AR!
And Butch and Sundance hit the Shot Show next weekend.
I got happy feet now!

Highjack off.
Comparing the penetration of the .395's:
S&H 330-grain brass FN
vs
GSC 340-grain copper FN

Load them
1) to the same velocity,
2) to same kinetic energy, or
3) to same momentum?

The differences will be little anywhichway.

I predict the differences in live game or IWB will also be little.

Could one possibly be better than the other at anything besides penetrating frozen, wet sandbags?

Well hell, you'll all be at the SHOT show?

I still have to get Boomie to drive up here to Bakersfield so we can go shooting at 5 Dogs.

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Highjack off.
Comparing the penetration of the .395's:
S&H 330-grain brass FN
vs
GSC 340-grain copper FN

Load them
1) to the same velocity,
2) to same kinetic energy, or
3) to same momentum?

The differences will be little anywhichway.

I predict the differences in live game or IWB will also be little.

Could one possibly be better than the other at anything besides penetrating frozen, wet sandbags?

I'm sure Gerard will have an opinion on this or at least quote a Magazine Test to support his opinion.

quote:

Load them
1) to the same velocity,
2) to same kinetic energy, or
3) to same momentum?

None of the above. Load them to the same pressure level.

There I go again, playing straight man to a comedian in RSA.
Point taken.

RIP - Gerard has a 30 year headstart on us so unless we are willing to make a significant investment of time (capital) we'll have to suffer his authority on the subject of internal ballistics!!

I would like to send some of your ammo loaded with various bullets to the lab so we can finally dispel the wives tale of "High Pressure" sans driving bands!