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04 April 2006, 01:48
RIP
.500 Jamison, a new cartridge proposal.
I am asking Mr. Jamison (of Jamison International LLC brass fame) if he would consider making a 3.000" long .416 Rigby Basic necked down to .510 caliber.

I am begging him to do so and call it the .500 Jamison.

Fingers crossed. thumb
04 April 2006, 02:03
jeffeosso
Ron,
whil he may do it, it won't be called exactly that ...

jeffe


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
04 April 2006, 06:22
gixxer
Would it be a long neck or short neck BS(Boom Stick) version? Big Grin Had to add that...
04 April 2006, 07:11
boom stick
gixxer... Roll Eyes

rip...at least you are c.y.a. on a potential lawsuit animal sorry

rip via con dios! may the gun and wildcat gods bless you and you live forever in the songs of local villages in africa thankfull with their bellies full of elephant meat killed by this mighty creation.

dave does not seem interested in the 500 mbogo so this could be the max cart you could do as an easy rigby conversion. how many pieces in a run will he make?


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

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04 April 2006, 07:15
boom stick


p.s. remind me on why it needs to be 3" there could be no patent infringment. just more room?


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
04 April 2006, 07:25
AnotherAZWriter
Well, whatever Jamison does next, one thing is certain: he won't be writing about it in Shooting Times.


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04 April 2006, 07:30
Charles_Helm
quote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Well, whatever Jamison does next, one thing is certain: he won't be writing about it in Shooting Times.


I thought they were two different people. Maybe I am confused.


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04 April 2006, 07:38
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Well, whatever Jamison does next, one thing is certain: he won't be writing about it in Shooting Times.


MARK jamison ... jamison international -- bought bell brass...

RICK jamison ... of the WSM fame...

MARK ... 500 jamison

jeffe


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
05 April 2006, 01:25
woodsracer
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
quote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Well, whatever Jamison does next, one thing is certain: he won't be writing about it in Shooting Times.


MARK jamison ... jamison international -- bought bell brass...

RICK jamison ... of the WSM fame...FOLLY!!! Roll Eyes

MARK ... 500 jamison

jeffe


Even though I knew the difference in the "Jamison's", I think it would be too much of a confusing name.

How about the .510 Rigby??? thumb


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05 April 2006, 01:31
woodsracer
quote:
MARK jamison ... jamison international -- bought bell brass...


I didn't know that! Red Face I'm glad that his QUALITY has "supposedly" gotton better over Bell's original brass. Cool The .505 Gibbs Bell case that I have in my collection is a POS as far as uniformity. Roll Eyes


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05 April 2006, 04:06
boom stick
rip...

should we get an a.r. petition going?


577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375

*we band of 45-70ers* (Founder)
Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder)
05 April 2006, 06:07
jeffeosso
quote:
Originally posted by woodsracer:
quote:
MARK jamison ... jamison international -- bought bell brass...


I didn't know that! Red Face I'm glad that his QUALITY has "supposedly" gotton better over Bell's original brass. Cool The .505 Gibbs Bell case that I have in my collection is a POS as far as uniformity. Roll Eyes


no supposition... every batch goes through lab testing and QC... jamison did a BUNCH of lead work to have better brass than anyone
jeffe


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
05 April 2006, 07:37
Idaho Sharpshooter
so rip,
is this your official confession to the group that you are trying to HIjack my 500 on the Rigby 416 Rimless case that was posted here two months back?

Just curious....

Rich
05 April 2006, 08:13
577NitroExpress
I wish Jamison would make a new run of 3" .577 NE ammo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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06 April 2006, 06:55
RIP
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
so rip,
is this your official confession to the group that you are trying to HIjack my 500 on the Rigby 416 Rimless case that was posted here two months back?

Just curious....

Rich


Rich,
Call it whatever you like. You have not been around here very long. We have been mulling it over for the last five years here.

Mingbogo was hot on it before he disappeared.

I don't care much what it is called, or who wants to take credit for it.

I would just like to see it done.

Just having some straight cylindrical .416 Rigby basic to make many things out of would be nice. 3" long would allow the .500 Mbogo with caliber length neck. Neck the cylinder down and it might lengthen to 3.040". Trim to whatever. thumb
06 April 2006, 23:36
Mikelravy
RIP
Big bore nuttiness at its best. What do you think it will do if it comes to fruition?
07 April 2006, 00:27
jens poulsen
quote:
Originally posted by RIP:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
so rip,
is this your official confession to the group that you are trying to HIjack my 500 on the Rigby 416 Rimless case that was posted here two months back?

Just curious....

Rich


Rich,
Call it whatever you like. You have not been around here very long. We have been mulling it over for the last five years here.

Mingbogo was hot on it before he disappeared.

I don't care much what it is called, or who wants to take credit for it.

I would just like to see it done.

Just having some straight cylindrical .416 Rigby basic to make many things out of would be nice. 3" long would allow the .500 Mbogo with caliber length neck. Neck the cylinder down and it might lengthen to 3.040". Trim to whatever. thumb

Haven´t the .500 Buhmiller been discussed also Big Grin


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07 April 2006, 05:16
Idaho Sharpshooter
RIP,

maybe not, but this is not the first place/forum to consider the issue. My first encounter with the 500/416 concept was up at Buhmiller's shop when I picked up a 450 Buhmiller he built for me. He was still building rifles, so I think that likely predates your experience with firearms by a decade or two. John was tinkering with the idea of a 50 on the Rigby case back as far back as 1960-62, but never "got around to it" before his death. You are aware, I trust, that he actually built a 458 on the Rigby case that piqued Roy Wby's interest in the late fifties and resulted in the 460-series of cartridges. As far as my involvement, I have had 416 cylindrical sitting out in my shop for about three years now, and a dedicated Remington Model of 1934 complete action and Timney trigger waiting for a long list of other projects to be completed. This URL is probably unsurpassed as far as an idea exchange forum, but very few totally new things come from it, like anywhere else; the 470Mbogo excluded. It's like my 22-378 Improved,it was done earlier, mine was just the first one in a couple decades and utilized newer powders and 80gr JLK bullets. I am getting my reamers ordered, and will Email you asap so you can break the news to the world.

regards,


Rich
07 April 2006, 06:49
RIP
quote:
Originally posted by Mikelravy:
RIP
Big bore nuttiness at its best. What do you think it will do if it comes to fruition?


Mike,
The shadow knows. beer

Jens,
I thought Buhmiller did his .45's and .50's on the .378 Wby case before Roy did the .460. Rigby brass was very scarce back in the late 50's. I do recall that Buhmiller did a .50 on the .375 H&H case by using a rebated bullet that sat on top of the case with 50 cal and the rebated bullet base was in the neck, like a giant .22 rimfire bullet.

Doubles? One .470 NE is enough for me. Only truly accurate rifles are interesting. Doubles are specialist tools for close range stopping, even if mine will put 4 shots into less than an inch at 50 yards, and I like it that way. No parallel to infinity with two groups side by side for me and my Merkel.

Bolt action is where it is at. mgun

Rich,
Nice that you met Uncle John before he passed on. He was "something" or "someone" to be sure.
Please don't be shy about breaking news to the world when it happens. I have a 10" twist stainless McGowen .510 barrel (my third) on the way. thumb