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Originally posted by JOEYBONES:
If every member of the forum kicked in a couple of bucks we could pool that money , send one member to Africa to hunt DG with a 45-70 packed with Garett ammo and end the discussion for once and for all ! Any Volunteers ?

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
... I'd take it to Africa and shoot buff; there will be my trusty wife holding my squeaky-new 550 Magnum right behind me if anything goes wrong.
JMHO
regards,

Rich

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
... I'd take it to Africa and shoot buff; there will be my trusty wife holding my squeaky-new 550 Magnum right behind me if anything goes wrong.
JMHO
regards,

Rich

RIch,
I didn't know you were building a 550.. COOL...


Oh, I called garrett. that box label has a typo.. seems the print setter didn't like the NOT FOR text, and placed the "pretty "elephant, rhino, hippo" banner over it, rather then next to it...

garrett said anyone with any sense would know that they meant
"not for elephant hippo and rhino" and didn't have the labels reprinted.

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products liability law: an overview

Products liability refers to the liability of any or all parties along the chain of manufacture of any product for damage caused by that product. This includes the manufacturer of component parts (at the top of the chain), an assembling manufacturer, the wholesaler, and the retail store owner (at the bottom of the chain). Products containing inherent defects that cause harm to a consumer of the product, or someone to whom the product was loaned, given, etc., are the subjects of products liability suits. While products are generally thought of as tangible personal property, products liability has stretched that definition to include intangibles (gas), naturals (pets), real estate (house), and writings (navigational charts).

Products liability claims can be based on negligence, strict liability, or breach of warranty of fitness depending on the jurisdiction within which the claim is based. Many states have enacted comprehensive products liability statutes. These statutory provisions can be very diverse such that the the United States Department of Commerce has promulgated a Model Uniform Products Liability Act (MUPLA) for voluntary use by the states. There is no federal products liability law.

In any jurisdiction one must prove that the product is defective. There are three types of product defects that incur liability in manufacturers and suppliers: design defects, manufacturing defects, and defects in marketing. Design defects are inherent; they exist before the product is manufactured. While the item might serve its purpose well, it can be unreasonably dangerous to use due to a design flaw. On the other hand, manufacturing defects occur during the construction or production of the item. Only a few out of many products of the same type are flawed in this case. Defects in marketing deal with improper instructions and failures to warn consumers of latent dangers in the product.

Products Liability is generally considered a strict liability offense. Strict liability wrongs do not depend on the degree of carefulness by the defendant. Translated to products liability terms, a defendant is liable when it is shown that the product is defective. It is irrelevant whether the manufacturer or supplier exercised great care; if there is a defect in the product that causes harm, he or she will be liable for it.

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An implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose, sometimes referred to simply as a warranty of fitness, is a warranty implied by law that if a seller knows or has reason to know of a particular purpose for which some item is being purchased by the buyer, the seller is guaranteeing that the item is fit for that particular purpose.

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Originally posted by ALF:
Just a thought?

Given the litigious society Americans live in what would the legal position be if a hunter hunts and Buffalo or a rhino or the like with one of these Garret creations and he comes short; and it can be proven that the outcome could have been different if he used adequate forepower.

Would Garret as a company / individual be liable as he clearly represents his product as being adequate?

What say ye ?

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Originally posted by ALF:
500 gr:

Thanks for that reply !

Then this KNUCKLEHEAD would assume that as Mr Garret implies by implicit advertisement on the package that his product is in fact "FIT" for use against the DG as listed, this then if proven as not being so by say of weight of evidence as found in the broad hunting literature and experience, in the event of a mishap could find himself at the short end of some legal battle ??????

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Originally posted by 500grains:

(Re) 458 Winchester Magnum. (4 inches of penetration or so). 458 Win Mag loads that were not successful and that earned the 458 Win Mag a bad reputation.

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Originally posted by JAL:

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Originally posted by 500grains:

(Re) 458 Winchester Magnum. (4 inches of penetration or so). 458 Win Mag loads that were not successful and that earned the 458 Win Mag a bad reputation.

Sir, wasn't the problem due to faulty/squib loads due to the over compacted/old/ powder, and ANY that fired correctly went much better than any 45/70.
John L. (Resident AR Amature apologist for the 458WM.)

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Martin,

400 grains at 2100 fps out of a lever action is more than I want to pull the trigger on. I used to shoot 400 grain Speer bullets out of Marlin lever actions at 1750 fps. The recoil was sharp and there was plenty of muzzle rise. But the load sure knocked the stuffing out of jackrabbits. And I unzipped a couple of deer with that load too.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
i got to go up to oregon again...

i'd love to shoot yer 510 2300 fps leverbanger

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Martin,

I don't really like lever actions (except the model 88 carbine) because they tend to be slow to get into action.

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Originally posted by bulldog563:

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Martin,

I don't really like lever actions (except the model 88 carbine) because they tend to be slow to get into action.

What do you mean?

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Originally posted by boom stick:


off topic but nice pic...did you take it?

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The hottest 200 cubic inch engine cannot produce as much horse power (or torque) as the hottest 500 cubic inch engine.----Your statement about drag racers over on TFL is flawed in that the .45-70 is a rat mottor and the NE or a Lott is a big cube motor. One coming out of the hole faster but both finishing the 1/4 at the same time.

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Originally posted by 500grains:

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Originally posted by bulldog563:

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Originally posted by 500grains:
Martin,

I don't really like lever actions (except the model 88 carbine) because they tend to be slow to get into action.

What do you mean?

It takes me more time to awkwardly cock the hammer of a lever gun than to push the safety of a bolt gun.