jro45, my CZ Lott shooting factory Hornady 500 grain ammo never let me forget it was there when I squeezed the trigger...... I think the point was "low recoiling" cartridges - LOL!

The Nerve of that NE 450 No2 guy!

He calls the .395 Whimpy, yet the whole purpose of this thread is a "how to for whimps":

'The Most "Killing Power" with the Least Recoil'



Well, anyway, the .395 still fits the bill very nicely.

My vote: .458 Win Mag shooting a 480 grain Woodleigh at 2200 fps in a 9.5 pound rifle. Good for anything that walks this earth and recoil is easily managed.

9,3X62 "tailored" to shooter's face, hand size, length of arm, and peck size. You know, like a suit from 11 Savile Row.

Ha!
I agree with 400 grs above .40 at 2150 fps!
So we need to see how we can reach that with the smallest amount of powder, for the mildest recoil.
The answer is easy, the .425 Capstic, a .240 Wea'by opened up to .423 bullet.
The .400 Whelen is a close nr. 2, but its longer bullet will give slightly more recoil.

So the .425 Capstick it is, and it is mine, and I am flying genious!

Or, for a factory cartridge, 10,75x68.

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:

My vote for the most "killing power", with the least recoil, for DG would be the 404 Jeffery in bolt rifles and one of the 450/400's in doubles.

IE. A 400 grain bullet at @2150fps.

I also agree, though I have never used one! Indeed in theory you are correct.

With the caveat that it is not always enough gun.

One Australian safari company when chasing buffalo gave the clients a 10.75x68 with 400gr Woodleigh at 2150fps as there "light recoiling" buffalo rifle. The new CZ 416Rigby doesnt recoil badly ... but its still a step up on the 10.75 I used to own. Currently considering options to get back to 400gr at 2150 fps for a "general" purpose mild bigbore.
Cheers...
Con

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:
jro45, my CZ Lott shooting factory Hornady 500 grain ammo never let me forget it was there when I squeezed the trigger...... I think the point was "low recoiling" cartridges - LOL!

Whitworth, When shooting my CZ 458 Lott with 500 gr bullets going 2266 FPS or Hornady's 500 gr bullets going 2300 FPS. The recoil is there but I can handle it for up to 8-10 rounds.
You are right I wouldn't think of the 458 Lott as low recoiling tho

I agree, the 450-400 in either version in a double rifle only makes since, based on your post.

The .404 and 416 Rem are equal when handloaded but both can be loaded down to equal the 450-400.

Thoses calibers have been my pick over the years years.

I can shoot the larger bores, but I don't enjoy the recoil, and I have found the 40 calibers kill well enough to suit me and I consider them excellent stopping rifles....

jro45 - that was about my limit off the bench with my Lott as well! Definitely something you can get used to, but by no means light recoiling.

My vote is the .500A2. Now thats the most killing power vs recoil in a REAL GUN! No wimpy 450-400's for me. Remember I believe in OVERKILL as a personal philosophy.-Rob

rob...

you said that as little as 10 thou can be sufficient for headspacing...

how about trimming off the belt of the 500 a2 for a new round??? should be easy.

Now honestly Boomy, what do you have against a little ole belt?!

Boomie- Buy a .500a2. Next, learn to shoot it. Then talk.!Overkill requires a belt!-Rob

my cart philosophy is belts and shoulders dont mix...

a 470 capstick or 458 lott is cool cuz there is no shoulder and the belt is basicly a rear shoulder. the soon to be 500 mbogo is cool cuzz it has no belt but is essentialy a 500 a2
but you could simplify it by taking off the belt on the a2 and using the same loads, dies and a slightly altered reamer.

not a big deal but it is something new. rich aka idahosharpshooter did a similar one by using 510 wells stuff.

FWIW, John Taylor spoke very highly of the 375H&H in his books, felt it had an inordinate amount of killing power for its size.

Boomie said:
"... the soon to be 500 mbogo is cool ..."

The 500 Mbogo is 3.000" long, trim to 2.990" if Jamison basic cylindrical brass can be had in sufficient supply one day. I have 76 pieces of brass for starters.

Reamer available from Dave Manson.

I have the 10" twist stainless .510 caliber McGowen barrel, but got sidetracked by
the .395 affair, with .395 Tatanka Dakota 76 switch-barreled from .423/.338 Lapua, while waiting for the Satterlee action ...

While waiting furthermore for the Satterlee action, I might just yank the fat barrel off a Ruger .416 Rigby RSM and have a rifle with two actual-for-real recoil lugs made up, in 500 Mbogo. Then cut off the threads of the .416 q-ribbed barrel, recut the threads and, matte black finish it and make it a switch barrel for the .510 JAB ZKK 602, hmmm ... depends on feeding ... hmmm ...

The first 470 Mbogo was a Ruger RSM, eh? Why not the first 500 Mbogo too?

Eventually I may have a Satterlee action, but it might have to be made into some boring standard caliber, as I may be wildcatted-out by then.

Rebated 500 Jeffery
and
Non-rebated 500 Mbogo

quote:

Originally posted by fla3006:
FWIW, John Taylor spoke very highly of the 375H&H in his books, felt it had an inordinate amount of killing power for its size.

But he also mentioned that he'd prefer the 350G&H with 275gr projectile if pressures and the projectiles were suitable for Africa Nowadays that would be the 358Norma/358STA ... and projectiles and pressures are suitable for Africa
Cheers...
Con

yes rip the 500 is great as well as the soon to be 500 a.r.
and the beltless 500 a2/510 wells (sorry rich i forgot your name for it)
and the presently in development 505 straight belted rum 2.6" and 2.85"

here is the 2.6" 505 rum with a belt

this would be the lightest recoiling over 50 cart.

more dummies to come...



there...THAT is a thread hijack
oh and to not hijack the thread too badly the 423-240 wby in development in norway via bent fosdal should do 400@ 2150 with an 06 boltface...see the wildcat board... THAT will be THE lowest recoiling midsize big bore bar none!


left 458 win mag, right 423-240 weatherby

Now back to the "How-To for Whimps" theme ... Most "Killing Power" with the least recoil ???

HIV...

9.3 x 62

so grains...

the 35 whelen a.i., 400 whelen/411 hawk are doable in your book too?

So this is why the 400 H&H was born. 450/400 performance in a bolt gun cartridge. I know the various 416s and 458s can be loaded down but most DG hunters want factory ammo. So there is the answer for all the guys who said "why?".

411 kdf or my 64 brass in 411 kdf dies is a better alternative to the 400 h+h imho
the h+h is cool though i would have liked it to be a straight taper with no shoulder...DIBS!

quote:

The Most "Killing Power" with the Least Recoil

I vote for the 416 Taylor. 400gr bullet at 2350 to 2400 fps.

I think the increase in "killing power" over the 375 H&H (or 9.3x62 or 9.3x64, etc, etc) is more noticable than the increase in recoil.

My 2c Canadian (which is getting darn close to 2c USD),
Canuck

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
yes rip the 500 is great as well as the soon to be 500 a.r.
and the beltless 500 a2/510 wells (sorry rich i forgot your name for it)
and the presently in development 505 straight belted rum 2.6" and 2.85"

here is the 2.6" 505 rum with a belt

this would be the lightest recoiling over 50 cart.

more dummies to come...



there...THAT is a thread hijack
oh and to not hijack the thread too badly the 423-240 wby in development in norway via bent fosdal should do 400@ 2150 with an 06 boltface...see the wildcat board... THAT will be THE lowest recoiling midsize big bore bar none!


right 458 win mag, left 423-240 weatherby

Hey BS is that the brass that I sent ya? that belted round looks pretty nice!

yup...

ed is working on the prototypes right now...hopefully we will see dummies soon

They look fun!

tiggertate...

imagine pushing heavy 505 bullets out of a 7 mag gun! yup...it can be done....532 bolt and a 3.34" magazine...get 3 down and one in the torpeedo tube
i am guessing 600 grainers @ 2150...thats 500 nitro power in a $300 bolt gun and a barrel swap. yes brass would be done by hand or an expensive run of brass but hey... this is about fun.

the 2.85" could be done too.

cant wait to see the prototypes...

now the 423-240 wby is cool in many other ways too and fits this thread criteria well.

465 grain 458" at 2150 fps for large heavy- 180 grain .308" at 2800 fps for mid-sized critters- these would be low recoiling in standard rifles with wood stocks, but not my choice. Although you can get some velocity out of a 458 Win with a 465 gr bullet if you handload. R.

500 Jeffery / 500 AHR.

No idea on the killing power, yet, but my 375 Ruger Alaskan has very little kick to it.

.416 Rigby gets my vote, for me it's the last caliber before I really have to concentrate (the .404 J etc also fit into this category for me).

I am a .416 Rigby fan for Sure !!

a bow

I still think the 400 gr 40 cals at 2200-2400 fps are are at the magic ballance point. Yes, folks can learn to handle more recoil if they put the effort in. Maybe in a small percentage of instances more power is needed, but then there is always the nagging question of do the really big guns make for poor first shots for some folks?

There is no game I'd be afeared to hunt with a good 40, nor any of reasonable weight I'd be afraid to shoot from field positions.

After two 458 lotts and a 500 jeffrey, I've learned when you start pushing 500 gr or more 2200 fps or faster, recoil is on a whole different level.

Considering the title of the guy that started this, I'd have to go with the 450 N2, with 480 grain bullet, at 2150 fps, out of a double...

Dr. S

22 long rifle soild placed in the Right place.
Has killed most anything.

The question was the most killing power with the least recoil, not the best DGR...


Its been around for ions, the 10.75x68, light and trim, easy to carry, recoil is that of a maidens caress, muzzle blast is light, and has the balistics of the original .404 Jefferys, a proven killer of DG...Vastly overlooked.

well, i think my 416 ARs hardly kick for the power level, and certainly less than the 416 rigby to get there.. 350s at 2500 are a JOKE in terms of recoil, and 400s 2400 are pleasant.

the least recoil/best one I think i've ever shot, though, is the 10.75x68... it will take 400gr to 2150, and that's enough

jeffe