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Not had the chance to work on the program yet but as to the topic... Some say function is beauty. Tradition is charm. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like a Honda Civic but a 30s or 40s Rolls Royce can make a car man drool. I like a balance of function and beauty mixed with tradition. I also like variety and modernity. Yes, a gun aficionado who can slum it with a cheap lever action. There is some great craftsmanship that goes into making some custom guns even I it goes against te artisans taste. I am happy gun makers can make a living doing what they love. I like minimal checkering or even no checkering. I would love a titanium action and stainless barrel with a Kevlar stock in a variety of classic carts to a plethora of classic guns. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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That was with out doubt one of the finest responces I have ever read. Thanks JudgeG Cheers, John Give me COFFEE and nobody gets hurt | |||
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That's Jim Sherman's rifle, btw. I know he likes beauty, too. Just look at Carin. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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A plastic watch with a quartz movement will be more accurate than a watch with a mechanical movement, and usually be less expensive too. I would prefer to wear a Rolex (or insert whatever mechanical watch you like) rather than a Casio. Lots of things are more than just tools. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Nunya. How another man spends HIS money is nunya business. You don't like his choices, fine. But don't complain about them as it is nunya. However if YOU can't appreciate the fine workmanship then it is not the owners fault or issue. Some things aren't my cup of tea. Who cares? If you don't like it, pass right on by. Nunya opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Let's be realistic. You are on a board that caters to large bore rifles, one of the least used firearms made. You are posing a question to members that in general have disposible income. The only people who need a large bore rifle are those that are tasked with protecting others from dangerous animals, dispose of said animals for various reasons or those that live in areas where they may need to protect themselves. The only reason an average individual needs a firearm, in general, is for substanance hunting or protection. For anyone else, a large bore rifle is not even a tool. It is a toy. | |||
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Perhaps in time you will?? I even prefer a quality ESTWING hammer as apart of my tool kit. | |||
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I have to agree ! todd Blessed; not lucky | |||
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Sadly, some folks don't and never do. Mike | |||
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I love the Judge's writings. Perfection. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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Pyzda - there is absolutely nothing wrong with your utilitarian view. But I bet even you enjoy extra features on some of the tools you own even though they may serve no purpose other than esthetics. What kind of car do you drive, what color is it painted, and does it have white wall tires or black wall with white letters? Does your big screen TV sit on a stump or a nice piece of furniture? Does your bed have a headboard or footer? Are your kitchen cabinets plain and flat surfaced or do they have contours, molding, and decorative knobs? Are all of your shirts white? Do you have non-native vegetation planted around your house and do you water it, mow it, and trim it? | |||
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Pyzda, This has been covered so many times on this forum. Think of it from the Gunmakers perspective; do you think I would want to turn out rifles all day, every day, that look like the same old piece of shit? | |||
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I understand and respect his position but it doesn't work for me. I'd rather hug a woman clad in silk than burlap. | |||
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Wayne, I know that no rifle left your shop looking like a piece of shit. Keep up the good work. | |||
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I agree. You absolutely don't get it. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Judge G and Jeffeoso gave the two best answers IMO. Different strokes for different folks, it is what makes life interesting and the world go around. I personally would not enjoy life if we were all carbon copies of each other and we were unable to view things using our own individual concepts of what we like/don/t like. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yes, you're right. But I think you've entered into the wrong theater. Wrong audience. Now if you're argument is that a $14,000 Legend is money better spent than on the typical british stalker-quarter rib-drop, box rifle that's a whole different can of worms. The question is can you afford either of them and just choose not to....... There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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Wayne, Mike70560 is hereby seconded...just look at my AHR rifles as a prime example of form combined with function, beauty with the beast. Respects, Phill | |||
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Everything we possess are tools. Most are for the body (hammer, computer, charcoal grill) but some are also for the sole (fine art, music, literature). And most fortunately, some are a bit of both (guns?). Thank God. NRA Patron Member | |||
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I want both!!! And there of lots of fine people who can make them that way. DRSS | |||
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Pyzda, I couldn't agree with you more! You don't get it! | |||
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@ Pyzda Your nick says it all. Consequently following your guidelines you need no tool at all. Hunting these days is pure luxury. Don´t waste your time and money. Simplify your life and by your meat in a butcher´s shop. | |||
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I could have phrased that better. What I meant was that I couldn't build rifles to Pyzda's ideal specifications as he posted in another current discussion and still stay in business or maintain some degree of self respect. Here are Pyzda's specifications as he posted.
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JudgeG, Thanks for your wisdom. I guess that is why you are, or were, on the bench (I don't know). That was very well said and it would be an honor to appear before you anytime. | |||
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I guess this means a Holland & Holland Royal Double Rifle is out of the question ....? | |||
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Please post some pictures of your handiwork, I am sure we would all be interested in seeing your taste in rifles. Mike | |||
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Since ancient times man has had the habit of decorating his tools and weapons ! My early Benelli M1 90 had a black plastic stock and when I used it at a clay range I got snide remarks from some of the double barrel engraved types .So I did a bit of carving on the stock.Then I could say 'I did some nice carving on my black polymer stock ,don't you think ? ' | |||
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Someone please translate the word "pyzda" ... in what language? Lithuanian? Etymology From Proto-Indo-European *pisd-eh₂-. Compare to common Slavic pizda/пизда. Noun pyzda f (plural pyzdos) 1.(vulgar, slang, anatomy) cunt, pussy (the female genitalia, especially external genitalia) So we have here a Pyzda that likes only big, rough tools for use in the bush? | |||
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In answer to the original question, mine does both. | |||
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Tell ya what I don't get - people who type... IN ALL CAPS!! Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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In the famous words of that great American; Larry the Cable Guy; "now that's funny I don't care who you are" | |||
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How old would that make you? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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No reply from shootaway? | |||
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Way to go RIP !!! I was wondering about that myself. Now I get it. | |||
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The same applies to cars....how's you Yugo doing? :-) | |||
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My dear wife pointed out something to me that I left out in my above post concerning beauty, form and function. There are beautiful things that I built for my children that pretty much failed, both as to form and function. For instance, I (with the help of a three and four year-old) once built a tree house that was almost unsafe and an certainly an eyesore... but when it came time to tear it down because my girls out grew it, they cried because they loved it, probably more because we built it together than any value placed on the questionable function or the unjourneyman-like form. It was beautiful to them because Daddy tried. I've seen women who have borne maybe a half-dozen children, who have gotten a bit broad in the beam and are too busy carting kids to ball games or church events or cooking and cleaning to find the time to go to the gym. They may not have the bucks to shop anywhere but discount stores, but still are absolutely beautiful to their children and hopefully to the husband for whom she had labored to make a family that works... Today's concept of beauty, all too often, is only skin deep. In this modern world, we seem to forget that the love that goes into making something to treasure... a worthwhile marriage or a somewhat shakey tree house or the love a craftsman has for his trade in making a fine custom rifle, can be as beautiful as the exterior. I'm just lucky enough to have a few fine rifles, a house that's more than a box and a beautiful wife with a good heart worthy, both inside and out.... and heck, she loves me even though I'm fat as a tick in a puppy's navel... and I've never even been pregnant. Yes, I love my Searcy double because my friend Butch loves his work. I talked to him yesterday and asked why the new "long bar" when his guns already function well. His reply was that always trying to get better is what makes him strive to be closer to perfection. A bit of his heart is in every gun, for sure. I hold my Bijou Creek .404 Jeffery dear because I've visited with Mike Cuypers at his shop and home and I've seen seen him work not with just strokes of a file, but with a lover's caresses. He's a budding master and every time I pick up his work, I know that he put his very being into building it. I love my Ernst Kerner full-stocked pre-war Mauser because I know that it took that master craftsman almost a year to make the 9.3x62 a thing of beauty that shoots 1" groups with whatever I put in it.... and I can feel Ernst's love for his trade (though he is long gone) seep through the hand polished stock into my soul... 'cause I treasure the rifle, too and the work that went into it... and I kind of think that ol' Ernst ( and Butch and Mike and Ralf and Biesen, etc.) would have wanted his labor and skill to be appreciated by folks like us who recognize a "finer" thing, as much for the "inside" as the "out". JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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What else can one say after that. Pretty much sums it up!! | |||
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My Mother,god rest her soul,always taught me to buy quality,and appreciate nice things. That's good advice. Money comes and goes,but I still have my art that hangs on my wall,my custom rifles,and my muscle car in the garage. Some people can see value and beauty,appreciate the time and energy put into things that are man made even though they only try to approach what god has made in it's natural setting. Yes these are all material things but for whatever reason they bring joy to people. I have known many people that are the opposite,just can't make the connection,can't see the added value and appreciate the beauty created either by man or god. How come? There just made that way,but in my experience most just can't see the worth and are too cheap to spend the time it takes to save to obtain that nice thing. Like I said that's just the way their made. Usually that person is a little less joyful and sad. I'll tell a story. My dad some time after meeting my mom bought her a ring. He gave her the ring in there upstairs apartment. My mom looked at the ring and threw it out the window. My dad flew down the stairs and searched an hour for that ring until he found it. My mom saved untill she could buy a diamond ring at Granite Brothers,she was very proud of that ring. I don't know but to me that says a lot about my mom and dad. They both loved each other and were married for over 50 years. They were both made very differently. "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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