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Not had the chance to work on the program yet but as to the topic...
Some say function is beauty.
Tradition is charm.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I like a Honda Civic but a 30s or 40s Rolls Royce can make a car man drool.
I like a balance of function and beauty mixed with tradition.
I also like variety and modernity.
Yes, a gun aficionado who can slum it with a cheap lever action.
There is some great craftsmanship that goes into making some custom guns even I it goes against te artisans taste. I am happy gun makers can make a living doing what they love.
I like minimal checkering or even no checkering. I would love a titanium action and stainless barrel with a Kevlar stock in a variety of classic carts to a plethora of classic guns.


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Form and function.... Why settle for just one, when you can have both? Personally, I'm willing to work a bit harder for what I consider some of the "finer" things in life.

Think about it.

As long as a woman has functioning parts, she can be an "effective" producer of children. You see it every day at the Walmart, but I kind of like those with a little class, beauty and brains.

A Bible could be a paperback, but I kind of like my leather bound one.

A house could be designed by Stalin, but I kind of like my Low Country style.

Shakespeare could have written just the chronological history of a Danish struggle for succession, but I kind of like Hamlet.

All of God's flowers could have been white or black, but I kind of like roses.

I was driving back from the Jacksonville, FL airport with a woman client one evening. We crossed over a bridge that gave a spectacular view of the sun setting over a tidal river and a salt marsh. Up in Atlanta, she had suffered a pretty bad day in court (won, but got battered badly in the fight). She started crying and I tried to comfort her, telling her that it would be all okay. She turned to me and said quite firmly, "I know it! Look at the sunset!"...

I did but still wondered what was going on... then she explained it all when she helped me figure it out by saying...

"God didn't have to let us enjoy beauty, but He did. He did!".

I'll take God up on that gift. Beauty gives us relief from the struggles of everyday life. And, during this Christmas season, I'll take that gift from the Prince of Peace.

I do have a Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan in .416 which to me is as plain-Jane as one can get. It works... but I do kind of like this, too:

 
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That was with out doubt one of the finest responces I have ever read.

Thanks JudgeG

Cheers, John


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That's Jim Sherman's rifle, btw.

I know he likes beauty, too. Just look at Carin.

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A plastic watch with a quartz movement will be more accurate than a watch with a mechanical movement, and usually be less expensive too. I would prefer to wear a Rolex (or insert whatever mechanical watch you like) rather than a Casio. Lots of things are more than just tools.


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Nunya. How another man spends HIS money is nunya business. You don't like his choices, fine. But don't complain about them as it is nunya.

However if YOU can't appreciate the fine workmanship then it is not the owners fault or issue. Some things aren't my cup of tea. Who cares? If you don't like it, pass right on by. Nunya


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Let's be realistic.

You are on a board that caters to large bore rifles, one of the least used firearms made.

You are posing a question to members that in general have disposible income.

The only people who need a large bore rifle are those that are tasked with protecting others from dangerous animals, dispose of said animals for various reasons or those that live in areas where they may need to protect themselves.

The only reason an average individual needs a firearm, in general, is for substanance hunting or protection.

For anyone else, a large bore rifle is not even a tool. It is a toy.
 
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I DON"T GET IT


Perhaps in time you will??

I even prefer a quality ESTWING hammer as apart of my tool kit.
 
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That was with out doubt one of the finest responces I have ever read.

Thanks JudgeG

Cheers, John


I have to agree !

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Sadly, some folks don't and never do.


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I love the Judge's writings. Perfection.


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Pyzda - there is absolutely nothing wrong with your utilitarian view. But I bet even you enjoy extra features on some of the tools you own even though they may serve no purpose other than esthetics.

What kind of car do you drive, what color is it painted, and does it have white wall tires or black wall with white letters?

Does your big screen TV sit on a stump or a nice piece of furniture?

Does your bed have a headboard or footer?

Are your kitchen cabinets plain and flat surfaced or do they have contours, molding, and decorative knobs?

Are all of your shirts white?

Do you have non-native vegetation planted around your house and do you water it, mow it, and trim it?
 
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Pyzda, This has been covered so many times on this forum. Think of it from the Gunmakers perspective; do you think I would want to turn out rifles all day, every day, that look like
the same old piece of shit?
 
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I understand and respect his position but it doesn't work for me. I'd rather hug a woman clad in silk than burlap.
 
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Wayne,

I know that no rifle left your shop looking like a piece of shit. Keep up the good work.
 
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I agree. You absolutely don't get it. horse


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Judge G and Jeffeoso gave the two best answers IMO. Different strokes for different folks, it is what makes life interesting and the world go around.

I personally would not enjoy life if we were all carbon copies of each other and we were unable to view things using our own individual concepts of what we like/don/t like.


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Yes, you're right.

But I think you've entered into the wrong theater. Wrong audience.

Now if you're argument is that a $14,000 Legend is money better spent than on the typical british stalker-quarter rib-drop, box rifle that's a whole different can of worms.

The question is can you afford either of them and just choose not to.......




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Wayne,

Mike70560 is hereby seconded...just look at my AHR rifles as a prime example of form combined with function, beauty with the beast.

Respects,

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Everything we possess are tools. Most are for the body (hammer, computer, charcoal grill) but some are also for the sole (fine art, music, literature). And most fortunately, some are a bit of both (guns?). Thank God.


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DO YOU WANNA A RIFLE TO LOOK good OR A RIFLE TO PERFORM?


I want both!!! And there of lots of fine people who can make them that way.


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Pyzda,

I couldn't agree with you more! You don't get it!
 
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@ Pyzda

Your nick says it all.

Consequently following your guidelines you need no tool at all.

Hunting these days is pure luxury.

Don´t waste your time and money.
Simplify your life and by your meat in a butcher´s shop.
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Think of it from the Gunmakers perspective; do you think I would want to turn out rifles all day, every day, that look like
the same old piece of shit?


I could have phrased that better. What I meant was that I couldn't build rifles to Pyzda's ideal specifications as he posted in another current discussion and still stay in business or maintain some degree of self respect.
Here are Pyzda's specifications as he posted.
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The stock to me it can be a plane hardwood birch as long as it is strong.

It can be as rough as it comes from the pantograph. (in my own case I do all my own stocks with a small angle grinder and a 4" carving wheel)

I have no checkering as I use my own (not a pretty) ABSOLUTELY NON SLIP FINISH regardless of what conditions, sweat, wet, dry or an oil it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

 
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JudgeG,

Thanks for your wisdom. I guess that is why you are, or were, on the bench (I don't know). That was very well said and it would be an honor to appear before you anytime.
 
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Wayne

As a toolmaker by trade I can make anything ( not just a rifle) that I need, with the exact finish I need.

If I wanna spend the hours I can make a complete bolt, single, double or a triple from A to Z from a bar of steel from a steel supplier.

Will I ever do it? NO. as I simply won't waist my time, effort or money on "just another tool".

The reason I like my rifle finish rough is that I can hunt and never need to care where the rifle is and what is going to happen to it.

Sand, water, mud, rocks wan't do any harm to it.

Just like the ex-military M 98, P-17 etc. Dents, scratches, holes who cares. The important (shooting function) is there and that's all I care.

Would I spend a $1 to make my rifle look better? NO.

When I get home I clean, scrub, silicon dry-spray every bit of metal there is, because this is the WORKS THAT MATTER.

In my past I too used to have the need to look after the wood and it was driving me nuts. Not for the last 25 Years or so.

Pyzda



I guess this means a Holland & Holland Royal Double Rifle is out of the question ....?
 
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Wayne

As a toolmaker by trade I can make anything ( not just a rifle) that I need, with the exact finish I need.

If I wanna spend the hours I can make a complete bolt, single, double or a triple from A to Z from a bar of steel from a steel supplier.

Will I ever do it? NO. as I simply won't waist my time, effort or money on "just another tool".

The reason I like my rifle finish rough is that I can hunt and never need to care where the rifle is and what is going to happen to it.

Sand, water, mud, rocks wan't do any harm to it.

Just like the ex-military M 98, P-17 etc. Dents, scratches, holes who cares. The important (shooting function) is there and that's all I care.

Would I spend a $1 to make my rifle look better? NO.

When I get home I clean, scrub, silicon dry-spray every bit of metal there is, because this is the WORKS THAT MATTER.

In my past I too used to have the need to look after the wood and it was driving me nuts. Not for the last 25 Years or so.

Pyzda


Please post some pictures of your handiwork, I am sure we would all be interested in seeing your taste in rifles.


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Since ancient times man has had the habit of decorating his tools and weapons ! Smiler

My early Benelli M1 90 had a black plastic stock and when I used it at a clay range I got snide remarks from some of the double barrel engraved types .So I did a bit of carving on the stock.Then I could say 'I did some nice carving on my black polymer stock ,don't you think ? ' rotflmo wave
 
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Your nick says it all.


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Someone please translate the word "pyzda" ... in what language?

Lithuanian?

Etymology

From Proto-Indo-European *pisd-eh₂-. Compare to common Slavic pizda/пизда.

Noun

pyzda f (plural pyzdos)
1.(vulgar, slang, anatomy) cunt, pussy (the female genitalia, especially external genitalia)


So we have here a Pyzda that likes only big, rough tools for use in the bush? faint
 
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In answer to the original question, mine does both. Big Grin
 
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Tell ya what I don't get - people who type... IN ALL CAPS!! Roll Eyes


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Your nick says it all.


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Someone please translate the word "pyzda" ... in what language?

Lithuanian?

Etymology

From Proto-Indo-European *pisd-eh₂-. Compare to common Slavic pizda/пизда.

Noun

pyzda f (plural pyzdos)
1.(vulgar, slang, anatomy) cunt, pussy (the female genitalia, especially external genitalia)


So we have here a Pyzda that likes only big, rough tools for use in the bush? faint


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How old would that make you?


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No reply from shootaway?
 
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Way to go RIP !!!

I was wondering about that myself. Now I get it. animal
 
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The same applies to cars....how's you Yugo doing? :-)
 
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My dear wife pointed out something to me that I left out in my above post concerning beauty, form and function.

There are beautiful things that I built for my children that pretty much failed, both as to form and function. For instance, I (with the help of a three and four year-old) once built a tree house that was almost unsafe and an certainly an eyesore... but when it came time to tear it down because my girls out grew it, they cried because they loved it, probably more because we built it together than any value placed on the questionable function or the unjourneyman-like form. It was beautiful to them because Daddy tried.

I've seen women who have borne maybe a half-dozen children, who have gotten a bit broad in the beam and are too busy carting kids to ball games or church events or cooking and cleaning to find the time to go to the gym. They may not have the bucks to shop anywhere but discount stores, but still are absolutely beautiful to their children and hopefully to the husband for whom she had labored to make a family that works...

Today's concept of beauty, all too often, is only skin deep. In this modern world, we seem to forget that the love that goes into making something to treasure... a worthwhile marriage or a somewhat shakey tree house or the love a craftsman has for his trade in making a fine custom rifle, can be as beautiful as the exterior.

I'm just lucky enough to have a few fine rifles, a house that's more than a box and a beautiful wife with a good heart worthy, both inside and out.... and heck, she loves me even though I'm fat as a tick in a puppy's navel... and I've never even been pregnant.

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Yes, I love my Searcy double because my friend Butch loves his work. I talked to him yesterday and asked why the new "long bar" when his guns already function well. His reply was that always trying to get better is what makes him strive to be closer to perfection. A bit of his heart is in every gun, for sure.

I hold my Bijou Creek .404 Jeffery dear because I've visited with Mike Cuypers at his shop and home and I've seen seen him work not with just strokes of a file, but with a lover's caresses. He's a budding master and every time I pick up his work, I know that he put his very being into building it.

I love my Ernst Kerner full-stocked pre-war Mauser because I know that it took that master craftsman almost a year to make the 9.3x62 a thing of beauty that shoots 1" groups with whatever I put in it.... and I can feel Ernst's love for his trade (though he is long gone) seep through the hand polished stock into my soul... 'cause I treasure the rifle, too and the work that went into it... and I kind of think that ol' Ernst ( and Butch and Mike and Ralf and Biesen, etc.) would have wanted his labor and skill to be appreciated by folks like us who recognize a "finer" thing, as much for the "inside" as the "out".


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My dear wife pointed out something to me that I left out in my above post concerning beauty, form and function.

There are beautiful things that I built for my children that pretty much failed, both as to form and function. For instance, I (with the help of a three and four year-old) once built a tree house that was almost unsafe and an certainly an eyesore... but when it came time to tear it down because my girls out grew it, they cried because they loved it, probably more because we built it together than any value placed on the questionable function or the unjourneyman-like form. It was beautiful to them because Daddy tried.

I've seen women who have borne maybe a half-dozen children, who have gotten a bit broad in the beam and are too busy carting kids to ball games or church events or cooking and cleaning to find the time to go to the gym. They may not have the bucks to shop anywhere but discount stores, but still are absolutely beautiful to their children and hopefully to the husband for whom she had labored to make a family that works...

Today's concept of beauty, all too often, is only skin deep. In this modern world, we seem to forget that the love that goes into making something to treasure... a worthwhile marriage or a somewhat shakey tree house or the love a craftsman has for his trade in making a fine custom rifle, can be as beautiful as the exterior.

I'm just lucky enough to have a few fine rifles, a house that's more than a box and a beautiful wife with a good heart worthy, both inside and out.... and heck, she loves me even though I'm fat as a tick in a puppy's navel... and I've never even been pregnant.

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Yes, I love my Searcy double because my friend Butch loves his work. I talked to him yesterday and asked why the new "long bar" when his guns already function well. His reply was that always trying to get better is what makes him strive to be closer to perfection. A bit of his heart is in every gun, for sure.

I hold my Bijou Creek .404 Jeffery dear because I've visited with Mike Cuypers at his shop and home and I've seen seen him work not with just strokes of a file, but with a lover's caresses. He's a budding master and every time I pick up his work, I know that he put his very being into building it.

I love my Ernst Kerner full-stocked pre-war Mauser because I know that it took that master craftsman almost a year to make the 9.3x62 a thing of beauty that shoots 1" groups with whatever I put in it.... and I can feel Ernst's love for his trade (though he is long gone) seep through the hand polished stock into my soul... 'cause I treasure the rifle, too and the work that went into it... and I kind of think that ol' Ernst ( and Butch and Mike and Ralf and Biesen, etc.) would have wanted his labor and skill to be appreciated by folks like us who recognize a "finer" thing, as much for the "inside" as the "out".


What else can one say after that. Pretty much sums it up!!
 
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My Mother,god rest her soul,always taught me to buy quality,and appreciate nice things. That's good advice. Money comes and goes,but I still have my art that hangs on my wall,my custom rifles,and my muscle car in the garage.

Some people can see value and beauty,appreciate the time and energy put into things that are man made even though they only try to approach what god has made in it's natural setting. Yes these are all material things but for whatever reason they bring joy to people.

I have known many people that are the opposite,just can't make the connection,can't see the added value and appreciate the beauty created either by man or god. How come? There just made that way,but in my experience most just can't see the worth and are too cheap to spend the time it takes to save to obtain that nice thing. Like I said that's just the way their made. Usually that person is a little less joyful and sad.

I'll tell a story. My dad some time after meeting my mom bought her a ring. He gave her the ring in there upstairs apartment. My mom looked at the ring and threw it out the window. My dad flew down the stairs and searched an hour for that ring until he found it. My mom saved untill she could buy a diamond ring at Granite Brothers,she was very proud of that ring. I don't know but to me that says a lot about my mom and dad. They both loved each other and were married for over 50 years. They were both made very differently.


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