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the source : CIA World Factbook remind me please - the same guys reported on Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Probably they meant swap deals with oil but did not specify it and put them into "import". Is it tipycally American? added: Definition: This entry is the total oil imported in barrels per day (bbl/day), including both crude oil and oil products. yes, Russia imports high quality gasoline and some other oil products as well.. Iran is not in the list of manufactures.. | |||
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Yet again I haven't advokated hunting Iran. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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505 you agree that we are funding terrorism by buying middle east oil and you are ok with that, according to your last post on page 2. But if someone goes hunting in Iran and supports terrorist that's wrong. That's not even logic. Isn't is all about supporting terrorists? And as long as sharpshooter doesn't leave his local area to by gas and diesel his hands are clean, Oh but there are are all those other petroleum based products that are everywhere. Your fuel is a small part of the petrol equation. I guess it's just easier to bash someone who actually goes to Iran than look at all the ways we are inadvertently funding our enemies. I would go to Iran to hunt no problem. I would sleep well at night too. While I was there I would make sure that my hosts knew Americans were good people by my curtious and respectful actions. Twist your logic or lack of it anyway you want. Maybe I will drive a little less and save my money for that awesome sheep hunt in an amazing place. The moneys all going to the same place anyway--right? | |||
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505 gibbs, by your logic, everyone in the USA supports terrorism. Now I suppose that such an absurd thing might be true. But on the other hand, it's more likely that it ain't true at all. It's far more likely that your logic really ain't much in the way of logic, dontcha think?  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Hunting in Iran: 1. Iran is on the free countries in the world's shit list, at least the ones who matter. 2. They desperately need to get of that list. 3. How to do so? 4. Try and change the perception (ok, the truth) of their country as a hotbed of terrorist fomentation. Tough one. 5. Take lots of baby steps. 6. Hey! Let's bring some of those capitalist dogs we want to eliminate back into the country hunting. Them fooks are investing in north vietnam, and they killed over 57,000 American soldiers thru 1975. 7. It's a start. Rich easyman05, how about returning the several thousand American Soldiers that were captured in WWII and Korea home? Or paying off your WWII debt? | |||
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I have a plan... I would start a fund here to promote understanding and good will between our two countries. You guys send me a PMO for a hundred dollars, and when we have enough, we have a raffle for a free trip over there to hunt sheep. Every $100 gets you a ticket. The winner gets the cash when they arrive home, to help with taxidermy, and trip costs. The kicker: You have to take your wife with you, and you have to wear a T-shirt with the American Flag on the front, and "proud to be an American" on the back in 6" high letters. Furthermore, you and your wife have to pose in front of a mosque or the American Embassy wearing them. The trust fund cannot be used to ransom either of you, if you survive the photo op. Deal? Rich DRSS US Army Veteran | |||
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Rich, what exactly you expect from me? want to talk about land-lease? or WWII? or Alaska sale?  or slavery?Vladimir | |||
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Can you explain this Mr. Robinson? | |||
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Yeh, let's talk about "Lend-Lease", which gave we of the British Commonwealth badly needed destroyers when WE were fighting the Nazis AND you Stalinist commies and winning "The Battle of the Atlantic" by using these successfully far beyond their normal design parameters or expected valid service life. Remember, you were on Hitler's side until he attacked you-after Lend-Lease was initiated- and WE immediately stepped forward and began to supply you with weapons, although short of these ourselves. WWII....was won by the British Commonwealth and the USA, your former allies, the Nazis, would have exterminated Russia had they not had to fight us and we GAVE you the weapons and tools to fight with. Your admittedly huge losses were a result of the barbarous policies of Stalin and your military leaders, not because you "liberated" Europe, as we did. Alaska sale, what a farce, the area in question is a natural extension of North America, was explored by persons of several nations and the USA bought it...as the British should have had the foresight to do. You have NO claim with any validity to Alaska. Slavery,....a RUSSIAN is asking about the enslavement of other peoples in other nations in earlier periods of human history....."The Gulag", BudaPest 1956, Prague 1968, "The Pogroms" wherein far more Jews were slaughtered than Negros were ever mistreated in US history, "Lyubyanka", "The Berlin Wall", "Vorkuta" and, WHY do people continually try to enter the USA, yet, one seldom hears of refugees flocking into Russia....geez, what a surprise! The USA ain't perfect and has warts on it's history, as do all nations, but, Russia is the very epitome of slavery, repression and murderous, bloody slaughter of innocent peoples, as in "the Kulaks". Get real, you commie, your nation is the problem in the world, not the USA. | |||
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I would say it is more likely (actually certain) that you are in denial. The interesting question to me would be whether you have actually taken the position that there is just too much evil in the world so you might as well not resist or if you use that as an excuse to do evil yourself when decency infringes on the things you want to do.  | |||
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sorry, I did not realise your post was addressed to me. I am not American - so can't be proud of and can't wear such T-shirt..... but, seriously, could you clear up what makes you to mix politics and hunting? | |||
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Sign me Up I am from America would not mind hunting in Iran and would take the photos you speak.There are good and bad guys in every state country of race creed and religon and just because some share a religon with terrorist does not mean the whole crop is bad..Remember afew years back the WHITE American who got captured by US forces fighting with the Taliban ???? | |||
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Yep. I'm not planning on giving him money either. | |||
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But you visit a forum owned by an arab man correct who maybe dont know his personal business a Muslum is he a terrorist?? get real this just boils down to the American racist way of thinking | |||
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Is this an attempted diversion or are you really so thick that you think this is about the quality of one or several Iranian outfitters? | |||
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you have got to be kidding me, Express, please, your genes are showing....  | |||
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I was in favor of hunting Iran buddy 2nd this was turned into oh its funding terrorism never once was against muslims or Iran you slack jawed jerkoff | |||
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if ur tawkin tu me ur gonna haf to speke amerikun...  | |||
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stu and 505, here's a little hint as to where your flawed logic should lead you. Do you own any products, such as a car, maybe, or a television, or DVD player, or computer or monitor, or maybe even a T-shirt, that was made in Japan, China or South Korea? Have you ever flown on South African Airways, or visited South Africa, or (God forbid) hunted there? If your answer is yes to any of these questions, then you are guilty, by your own logic, of being a supporter of terrorism. Why? This may come as a shock to you, but those countries do not honor the US sponsored and UN imposed sanctions on Iran. In fact, they are the largest global consumers of Iranian crude oil, which is Iran's chief export (as opposed to sheep, for example). If your answer is yes to any of these questions, then you are as guilty, or more guilty, of supporting terrorism as anyone who hunts in Iran. One degree of separation from the "crime" does not serve to exculpate you, it merely makes you an aider and abetter. So please stop with the nonsense. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Is that not what I have been saying the entire time. on another note, I find it telling that you will protest the domestic policy of another country (Zimbabwe), no matter how brutal, while saying you would look past the foreign policy (against you and yours) of another country (Iran), which is equally brutal towards those defending your liberties. I would say "pathetic", but I don't think that covers it, maybe "shamefull"?  | |||
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This is not about Saeed, has nothing to do with him and also is not about Moslems. I have and quite recently defended Moslems here and have a number of friends who are Moslems, primarily from Iran. There are some good points on all sides of this issue being made here and your comment is peurile bullshit. American thinking, for example, is considerably LESS racist than that in most other cultures as you would know if you actually bothered to try to undertand what sincere people are saying here. I think that threads such as this are of great benefit to all of us who want to think and learn and I would add that, while Saeed does provide this forum, it would not exist without the participation of we members...and blunt, honest and heartfelt discussions are what make AR the fascinating and thought provoking community it is and, I hope, will long remain. | |||
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No, that is not what you have been saying. Quite the opposite. Your self-righteous condemnations stink of hypocrisy. Globalization's a bitch, ain't it? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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that is EXACTLY what I have been saying, are you drunk? | |||
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505, the computer on which you are expounding your nonsense, and the monitor on which you see your nonsense beamed to you, might give you a notion of what I am saying, and of the specious nature of your own pronouncements. Look for the places where the manufacturers are named. Check your car and your TV, too. It's YOUR logic at work that condemns it. But enlightening you has become too much of a burden for me. I will not further attempt what your parents (and, one would hope, however rudimentary, an education) could not accomplish. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Here is a bit of Iran Trivia. Once upon a time Iran was one of our best allies in the middle east. I personally met a fella from Iran. He was a Cab Driver in Dallas Texas. He had been a Fighter Pilot in Iran when the Shaw was in power... I saw his pictures and his credentials. He had been trained as a Fighter Pilot in the USA, I saw those pictures and credentials too... So Iran went from Best Ally to Best Enemy, with a change in leadership... The sad thing is, that people, left alone, seem to get along... Bad governments, seem to mess thing up... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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One may lead a jackass to logic, but one cannot make him think. Hunting is not, nor should it be, nor can it be, foreign policy. Nor can one buy a Japanese car or electronic device, without sending dollars to Iran. More dollars than would be sent there by hunting there. Logic and facts. Ignore them if you will, but please don't foist your illogic, or your ignorance, on those who can think, and see, for themselves. Put another way, I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Here's another bit: [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat[/URL] They almost got rid of Ahmadinejad, but a rigged election is kinda tricky to circumvent for the average voter. What the solution is I don't know, perhaps another revolution is in the offing, who knows? Michael, In the words of Heinlein, nnever try and teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.  | |||
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Keep fishing boy. You might come up with a soul one day. | |||
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Seeing how my mother's maiden name is Baron, I would say that me hunting in Iran is not an option. _________________________ Glenn | |||
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Bet I'd have more fun hunting and conversing with an Iranian guide than a US born Californian holding up a picket sign. | |||
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Baron is usually a Jewish surname so I'm assuming he is saying he won't be welcolme as a Jew. If he has ever been to Israel, he is quite probably right, otherwise there is a comparatively large Jewish minority in Iran. | |||
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That's it. The rest of what I wrote was in jest really, hence the smiley. Actually Iranian Jews are represented in the Iranian parliament, like Christians and Zoroastrians. _________________________ Glenn | |||
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got it. | |||
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Any of you holier-than-thous ever hunted in Zimbabwe? I suppose it's okay when you contribute your money to someone who kills and confiscates other peoples lives and property? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I do. My friends would be much worse off if I wasn't there giving them money. By the way gato I think you missed the point about giving money to a government hell bent on ending the USA. Above all else your citizenry should come first. | |||
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Yep, and so would be Mugabe. To be clear, I'm not suggesting one should or should not hunt in Zimbabwe, but there are simularities with all those who wouldn't hunt in Iran for political reasons. Equally, Iran would be much worse off if we hadn't of taken out Saddam, so blindly supporting the political decision "du jour" is not my style, it may or may not be correct. I'd bet pretty good money that we'll have Iran as a trading partner in the next 20 years. I tend to think for myself, not run with any one crowd's mentality. Look how much good we've done with our incredibly stupid position on Cuba. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Self preservation is hardly a political reason. | |||
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