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Ignored post by JTEX posted 22 July 2024 06:47

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My morals are fine. I see both Biden and Trump for who they are. I will take Trump profiting from being an American any day of the week over Biden selling of America for half a century!

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Trump and his shitty isolationist foreign policy are in no way good for NATO, America, or the world.

Face it, Trump is Putin's lapdog, sad but true.

Poor Reagan, spinning in his grave at what Trump has done to the GOP.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

Not 911, or Biden opening the border..... Says a lot about you...

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And your willingness to support someone who tried to steal a Presidential election says plenty about you.....

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

Not 911, or Biden opening the border..... Says a lot about you...

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And your willingness to support someone who tried to steal a Presidential election says plenty about you.....

I haven't ever supported a democrat in an national election....

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In reality, the place that I live, Trump was caught red handed trying to steal the election.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Of course you two will, after all he is a role model for your children. What more could you ask for really? A Lying, cheating, philandering, fraud, he has been convicted of sexual assault in civil court, is convicted felon 34 times over, and tried to steal a Presidential election. Trump has exactly the morals that you two have....little or none.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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In reality, the place that I live, Trump was caught red handed trying to steal the election.

Why don’t you explain that statement a bit Steve.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Of course you two will, after all he is a role model for your children. What more could you ask for really? A Lying, cheating, philandering, fraud, he has been convicted of sexual assault in civil court, is convicted felon 34 times over, and tried to steal a Presidential election. Trump has exactly the morals that you two have....little or none.

First, you pretend that Biden (or now Harris) is superior…I beg to differ.

Secondly, like ALL men, Trump has qualities to emulate and those to shun. History is rife with great leaders who also had personal failings.

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he is a terrible leader

We can just agree to disagree here.

with very few qualities worth emulating.

I am sorry you have this problem it is a failing though that many have — being blinded by emotion to the point of clouding one’s judgement.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
No rhetoric, those would be the facts showing that Trump tried to steal the election. I can certainly understand why you not want to address those facts, they look terrible and show Trump to be someone not fit for office.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
No rhetoric, those would be the facts showing that Trump tried to steal the election. I can certainly understand why you not want to address those facts, they look terrible and show Trump to be someone not fit for office.

Again your judgement is clouded by emotion.

There was much “unusual” with that election cycle for sure. It was an outlier statistically on so many levels from the past…that it deserves close analysis.

The 2020 presidential election was historic in many ways. Amid a global pandemic, with unprecedented changes in how Americans voted, voter turnout rose 7 percentage points over 2016, resulting in a total of 66% of U.S. adult citizens casting a ballot in the 2020 election.

Only 44,000 votes gave Biden the win.


The 2020 election brought a huge change in how Americans cast their ballots. As some states looked to adapt to challenges in administering elections amid the COVID-19 pandemic, large numbers of voters were offered expanded access to absentee and vote-by-mail options in the 2020 election. As a result, a record number of voters said they cast their ballots this way (46%). And smaller shares of voters said they either voted in person on Election Day (27%) or in person before Election Day (27%). A majority of absentee voters said they had previously voted this way before the 2020 election (56%). Still, a sizable share (43%) said the November election was the first time they had cast an absentee or mail ballot.

The closeness of this election made it an election where influences could sway it. The rule changes on short notices made it ripe for nefarious tactics.

We know that ballot harvesting propagated by NGO’s ran with the new rules in low-economic urban areas. The statistics show that this possibly/probably changed the results.

Thus, the 2020 race will always be an enigma to me and I can see why Trump reacted how he did. There was zero justification for Trump's reaction, he broke the law and tried to steal the election. Beyond shameful behavior, dishonest and disgusting.

Yes, I believe he went overboard to some extent. But, his hounding of the irregularities in the 2020 election have likely brought some positive change back in state election laws and governance — a net good. Your emotions have clearly clouded your judgement, Trump went WAY, WAY overboard and should be jailed for his actions.

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Originally posted by Hasher:
So you have reviewed ALL evidence and have now appoints yourself Trumps judge, jury, and executioner???


How very “American” of you.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Trump did not get past any federal court beyond a motion to dismiss.

There were no shenanigans.

His own lawyers told him the day of he lost.

AG Barr told him he lost.

There is no excuse for undermining the peaceful transition of power, not defending the Government from a mob designed to keep him in power, and giving his VP an unconstitutional directive to decertify the election.

Al Gore got much closer to overturning the election than Trump. Go read how Al Gore responded to loosing in the Courts. Trump had to do at least that.

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Originally posted by Hasher:
So you have reviewed ALL evidence and have now appoints yourself Trumps judge, jury, and executioner???


How very “American” of you.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
No rhetoric, those would be the facts showing that Trump tried to steal the election. I can certainly understand why you not want to address those facts, they look terrible and show Trump to be someone not fit for office.

Again your judgement is clouded by emotion.

There was much “unusual” with that election cycle for sure. It was an outlier statistically on so many levels from the past…that it deserves close analysis.

The 2020 presidential election was historic in many ways. Amid a global pandemic, with unprecedented changes in how Americans voted, voter turnout rose 7 percentage points over 2016, resulting in a total of 66% of U.S. adult citizens casting a ballot in the 2020 election.

Only 44,000 votes gave Biden the win.


The 2020 election brought a huge change in how Americans cast their ballots. As some states looked to adapt to challenges in administering elections amid the COVID-19 pandemic, large numbers of voters were offered expanded access to absentee and vote-by-mail options in the 2020 election. As a result, a record number of voters said they cast their ballots this way (46%). And smaller shares of voters said they either voted in person on Election Day (27%) or in person before Election Day (27%). A majority of absentee voters said they had previously voted this way before the 2020 election (56%). Still, a sizable share (43%) said the November election was the first time they had cast an absentee or mail ballot.

The closeness of this election made it an election where influences could sway it. The rule changes on short notices made it ripe for nefarious tactics.

We know that ballot harvesting propagated by NGO’s ran with the new rules in low-economic urban areas. The statistics show that this possibly/probably changed the results.

Thus, the 2020 race will always be an enigma to me and I can see why Trump reacted how he did. There was zero justification for Trump's reaction,

I provided you justification. 1) The election was separated by a mere 44K votes spread across 3 states. 2) Trump was ahead in the states until they stopped counting for reasons unknown and unprecedented. When counting resumed the margins narrowly switched due to “found” absentee or mailed in ballots. 3) Most of these ballots could not be validated due poor procedures being hastily put in place due to the pandemic and judges ruling they must be counted anyway. 4) The data shows that huge unprecedented numbers of these ballots came in. 5) 3&4 Provide support that the election could have been manipulated. 6) at the very least 2020 was a sloppily run election that was very close.

he broke the law and tried to steal the election.

Not proven.

Beyond shameful behavior, dishonest and disgusting.

Yes, I believe he went overboard to some extent. But, his hounding of the irregularities in the 2020 election have likely brought some positive change back in state election laws and governance — a net good. Your emotions have clearly clouded your judgement, Trump went WAY, WAY overboard and should be jailed for his actions. I have never understood (including with HRC) why people foam at the mouth to try to jail folks. Seems unnecessary and unAmerican to me.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
No rhetoric, those would be the facts showing that Trump tried to steal the election. I can certainly understand why you not want to address those facts, they look terrible and show Trump to be someone not fit for office.

Again your judgement is clouded by emotion.

There was much “unusual” with that election cycle for sure. It was an outlier statistically on so many levels from the past…that it deserves close analysis.

The 2020 presidential election was historic in many ways. Amid a global pandemic, with unprecedented changes in how Americans voted, voter turnout rose 7 percentage points over 2016, resulting in a total of 66% of U.S. adult citizens casting a ballot in the 2020 election.

Only 44,000 votes gave Biden the win.


The 2020 election brought a huge change in how Americans cast their ballots. As some states looked to adapt to challenges in administering elections amid the COVID-19 pandemic, large numbers of voters were offered expanded access to absentee and vote-by-mail options in the 2020 election. As a result, a record number of voters said they cast their ballots this way (46%). And smaller shares of voters said they either voted in person on Election Day (27%) or in person before Election Day (27%). A majority of absentee voters said they had previously voted this way before the 2020 election (56%). Still, a sizable share (43%) said the November election was the first time they had cast an absentee or mail ballot.

The closeness of this election made it an election where influences could sway it. The rule changes on short notices made it ripe for nefarious tactics.

We know that ballot harvesting propagated by NGO’s ran with the new rules in low-economic urban areas. The statistics show that this possibly/probably changed the results.

Thus, the 2020 race will always be an enigma to me and I can see why Trump reacted how he did. There was zero justification for Trump's reaction,

I provided you justification. 1) The election was separated by a mere 44K votes spread across 3 states. 2) Trump was ahead in the states until they stopped counting for reasons unknown and unprecedented. When counting resumed the margins narrowly switched due to “found” absentee or mailed in ballots. 3) Most of these ballots could not be validated due poor procedures being hastily put in place due to the pandemic and judges ruling they must be counted anyway. 4) The shows that huge unprecedented numbers of these ballots came in. So take up the matter in court, losing is not justification for attempted theft. morals?????? Hello????? Do you teach your son to cheat if he is losing at sports? Trump lost, his actions are in no way justified no matter how much pretzel logic you attempt to use.

he broke the law and tried to steal the election.

Not proven.

Beyond shameful behavior, dishonest and disgusting.

Yes, I believe he went overboard to some extent. But, his hounding of the irregularities in the 2020 election have likely brought some positive change back in state election laws and governance — a net good. Your emotions have clearly clouded your judgement, Trump went WAY, WAY overboard and should be jailed for his actions. I have never understood (including with HRC) why people foam at the mouth to try to jail folks. Seems unnecessary and unAmerican to me. [/color]

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
It does not matter if the fake electors were going to fly or not, or if the J 6th idiots were going to stop the certification. Same goes for his call to Raffensperger, he tried and that is what counts.

The fact is, that rat bastard Trump tried to steal the election.

Maybe you can rationalize that behavior, I cannot.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
It does not matter if the fake electors were going to fly or not, or if the J 6th idiots were going to stop the certification. Same goes for his call to Raffensperger, he tried and that is what counts.

The fact is, that rat bastard Trump tried to steal the election.

Maybe you can rationalize that behavior, I cannot.

I don’t buy the call to Raffensperger was wrong in the context of the 2020 election. Votes were being “found” routinely. As sloppily as the election was run…it was believable there was still “unfound” ballots.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
No rhetoric, those would be the facts showing that Trump tried to steal the election. I can certainly understand why you not want to address those facts, they look terrible and show Trump to be someone not fit for office.

Again your judgement is clouded by emotion.

There was much “unusual” with that election cycle for sure. It was an outlier statistically on so many levels from the past…that it deserves close analysis.

The 2020 presidential election was historic in many ways. Amid a global pandemic, with unprecedented changes in how Americans voted, voter turnout rose 7 percentage points over 2016, resulting in a total of 66% of U.S. adult citizens casting a ballot in the 2020 election.

Only 44,000 votes gave Biden the win.


The 2020 election brought a huge change in how Americans cast their ballots. As some states looked to adapt to challenges in administering elections amid the COVID-19 pandemic, large numbers of voters were offered expanded access to absentee and vote-by-mail options in the 2020 election. As a result, a record number of voters said they cast their ballots this way (46%). And smaller shares of voters said they either voted in person on Election Day (27%) or in person before Election Day (27%). A majority of absentee voters said they had previously voted this way before the 2020 election (56%). Still, a sizable share (43%) said the November election was the first time they had cast an absentee or mail ballot.

The closeness of this election made it an election where influences could sway it. The rule changes on short notices made it ripe for nefarious tactics.

We know that ballot harvesting propagated by NGO’s ran with the new rules in low-economic urban areas. The statistics show that this possibly/probably changed the results.

Thus, the 2020 race will always be an enigma to me and I can see why Trump reacted how he did. There was zero justification for Trump's reaction,

I provided you justification. 1) The election was separated by a mere 44K votes spread across 3 states. 2) Trump was ahead in the states until they stopped counting for reasons unknown and unprecedented. When counting resumed the margins narrowly switched due to “found” absentee or mailed in ballots. 3) Most of these ballots could not be validated due poor procedures being hastily put in place due to the pandemic and judges ruling they must be counted anyway. 4) The shows that huge unprecedented numbers of these ballots came in. So take up the matter in court,

The time frame for certification does not allow for proper legal appeal. Putting together evidence and preparation takes time. Multiple Constitutional Lawyers have talked about this.

losing is not justification for attempted theft.

In a razor narrow race with unprecedented circumstances…there is certainly reason to question…in my book.

morals?????? Hello????? Do you teach your son to cheat if he is losing at sports? Trump lost, his actions are in no way justified no matter how much pretzel logic you attempt to use.

You are not the morals police, judge and jury any where except in your own small mind.

I teach my son to stand up for what he believes correct and as a coach we do frequently question umpire rulings — often times they are reversed.

PLENTY of reasons to question the results of this election for the critical thinker…just not you.

he broke the law and tried to steal the election.

Not proven.

Beyond shameful behavior, dishonest and disgusting.

Yes, I believe he went overboard to some extent. But, his hounding of the irregularities in the 2020 election have likely brought some positive change back in state election laws and governance — a net good. Your emotions have clearly clouded your judgement, Trump went WAY, WAY overboard and should be jailed for his actions. I have never understood (including with HRC) why people foam at the mouth to try to jail folks. Seems unnecessary and unAmerican to me.

34 felony convictions so far....I'm fine with jailing the asshole.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
It does not matter if the fake electors were going to fly or not, or if the J 6th idiots were going to stop the certification. Same goes for his call to Raffensperger, he tried and that is what counts.

The fact is, that rat bastard Trump tried to steal the election.

Maybe you can rationalize that behavior, I cannot.

I don’t buy the call to Raffensperger was wrong in the context of the 2020 election. Votes were being “found” routinely. As sloppily as the election was run…it was believable there was still “unfound” ballots.

You are pathetic. You once asked me if I was beat with a bible to develop such a resistance to organized religion, no, I was just exposed to hypocritical Christians with flexible morals such as yourself.

Your rationalizing Trump's behavior disgust me Lane.

And I don’t give a rat’s ass Steve.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
It does not matter if the fake electors were going to fly or not, or if the J 6th idiots were going to stop the certification. Same goes for his call to Raffensperger, he tried and that is what counts.

The fact is, that rat bastard Trump tried to steal the election.

Maybe you can rationalize that behavior, I cannot.

I don’t buy the call to Raffensperger was wrong in the context of the 2020 election. Votes were being “found” routinely. As sloppily as the election was run…it was believable there was still “unfound” ballots.

You are pathetic. You once asked me if I was beat with a bible to develop such a resistance to organized religion, no, I was just exposed to hypocritical Christians with flexible morals such as yourself.

Your rationalizing Trump's behavior disgust me Lane.

And I don’t give a rat’s ass Steve.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
It does not matter if the fake electors were going to fly or not, or if the J 6th idiots were going to stop the certification. Same goes for his call to Raffensperger, he tried and that is what counts.

The fact is, that rat bastard Trump tried to steal the election.

Maybe you can rationalize that behavior, I cannot.

I don’t buy the call to Raffensperger was wrong in the context of the 2020 election. Votes were being “found” routinely. As sloppily as the election was run…it was believable there was still “unfound” ballots.

You are pathetic. You once asked me if I was beat with a bible to develop such a resistance to organized religion, no, I was just exposed to hypocritical Christians with flexible morals such as yourself.

Your rationalizing Trump's behavior disgust me Lane.

And I don’t give a rat’s ass Steve.

Win at all costs, morals be damned....just like the good Christian that you are Lane

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I am good with my position. Yours is your own choice. Don’t give a rat’s about your judgement of me.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I am good with my position. Yours is your own choice. Don’t give a rat’s about your judgement of me.

Seems there is much you do not give a rat's ass about, integrity, honesty, actually living like a Christian all come to mind.

Winning....now that seems important to you Lane.

You are exactly the type of person that makes me avoid organized religion. The hypocrisy is simply astounding.