The TDS is strong with the Trump toadies. Let's review.

Someone that serves in the National Guard for more than 20 years, serves as a command sergeant major but does not retire as one, who claims he retired as a command sergeant major is a deceitful piece of shit.

Someone who never served (and may well have in fact concocted an excuse not to serve) shows up at Arlington National Cemetery decides it would be a good idea to film a political commercial despite having been told by cemetery officials he could not, pushes aside another cemetery official trying to intervene, posts the video on a social media platform many feel is controlled by the Chinese government and he is a victim who should be given a pass.

I have said before, the Trumplicans are more flexible than an Olympic gymnast when it comes to contorting themselves logically to try and justify and rationalize the man's unacceptable and irrational actions. Gotta be painful from time to time, yet they never appear to get tired of doing it despite how dumb it makes them appear.

Some people on here have a problem w issue spitting and framing.

The issue is not that Trump was there. He being there is a good thing. The issue is not that he was invited. Folks are free to invite him; especially, given his status’s a former President. Presidents need to see the effects of their policies or potential decisions. I say good on Trump for attending.


The issue is in taking the photos during the service, using those photos for a campaign ad, and mistreating civil servants who tried to enforce the rules.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
John McCain once filmed political ad at Arlington

Also wrong.

But, I guess McCain had a little more skin in the game than your boy.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Such a shit thread! Plenty of witnesses have come forward to explain/tesify that Trump ws INVITED and they were the ones taking photos and videos.


If some asshole attendant forgot to change his tampon...that's not the fault of the relatives OR Trump.

Look, shit for brains- if someone invites you to break the law, that doesn’t excuse breaking the law. You should really pull your head out of trump’s ass.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
John McCain once filmed political ad at Arlington

And when notified it violated the Rules and the Law he apologized and discontinued all use of the ad instead of blaming Arlington employees, the families of the dead and his opponents.

Heym there were some posting that Trump was there, only to look good. No doubt, there is a lot to that.
Biden and Harris avoid the families like the plague. So despite his reason, if the families felt better with Trump there, I'm glad he went. The rest shouldnt have happened. Did Trump order his staff to act like they did? I have not heard one way or the other.

There is evidence he was there and used the ceremony in violation to make a campaign ad.

He has not condemned nor apologized for his staff’s actions. My reading is Trump has done the opposite.

Like I said, the problem is not w Trump going. Go, cool, good. The issue is his behavior and his campaigns behavior once there.

Now there is reporting that Trump may have misled Gold Star Families regarding their loved one’s deaths.

IMO, this thread is worthwhile because it highlights much of why we can't agree on stuff.

Consider:

Some evidence suggests.

vs

The ponderance of the evidence supports a conclusion, pending further evidence.

Here's an example:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Plenty of witnesses have come forward to explain/tesify that Trump ws INVITED and they were the ones taking photos and videos.

Duane repeatedly uses that evidence to support something other than what it really means.

So, the evidence suggests that Trump was invited, and others besides Trump's team were taking photos and videos. From what I know, that is not contested. But the claimant infers that evidence means Trump and team didn't violated the rules/law or that he's excused.

The fact is that Trump and team did knowingly violate the rules and did push the employee aside and did use the photos and videos as campaign fodder and in support of lies, and even tried to spin and lie about the whole scope of the incident.

Using partial facts and jumping to conclusion, skipping other relevant facts, is a common fallacy among Trump supporters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...bd7627417ac2f2&ei=61

That’s false': Trump caught lying about Afghanistan withdrawal to families of slain veterans
Story by Alex Henderson • 14h • 2 min read

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Originally posted by MJines:
The TDS is strong with the Trump toadies. Let's review.

Someone that serves in the National Guard for more than 20 years, serves as a command sergeant major but does not retire as one, who claims he retired as a command sergeant major is a deceitful piece of shit.

Someone who never served (and may well have in fact concocted an excuse not to serve) shows up at Arlington National Cemetery decides it would be a good idea to film a political commercial despite having been told by cemetery officials he could not, pushes aside another cemetery official trying to intervene, posts the video on a social media platform many feel is controlled by the Chinese government and he is a victim who should be given a pass.

I have said before, the Trumplicans are more flexible than an Olympic gymnast when it comes to contorting themselves logically to try and justify and rationalize the man's unacceptable and irrational actions. Gotta be painful from time to time, yet they never appear to get tired of doing it despite how dumb it makes them appear.

Mike if his service was that great.......why does he continue to lie and embellish his service???? There are quite a few guys at the range that you attend that actually have a true, real service record...

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Originally posted by MJines:
The TDS is strong with the Trump toadies. Let's review.

Someone that serves in the National Guard for more than 20 years, serves as a command sergeant major but does not retire as one, who claims he retired as a command sergeant major is a deceitful piece of shit.

Someone who never served (and may well have in fact concocted an excuse not to serve) shows up at Arlington National Cemetery decides it would be a good idea to film a political commercial despite having been told by cemetery officials he could not, pushes aside another cemetery official trying to intervene, posts the video on a social media platform many feel is controlled by the Chinese government and he is a victim who should be given a pass.

I have said before, the Trumplicans are more flexible than an Olympic gymnast when it comes to contorting themselves logically to try and justify and rationalize the man's unacceptable and irrational actions. Gotta be painful from time to time, yet they never appear to get tired of doing it despite how dumb it makes them appear.

By your reasoning goofy joe did the honorable thing then??!!! Kamala too?

They never served......Kamala didn't even appear to "serve" at McDonald's...... You are starting to sound like saeed.....never been in harms way but critical of others,that have......aslong as they are not democrats

Stolen valor IS a thing......

These Gold Star Families INVITED Biden, Harris and Trump to come. Biden and Harris Caused their Loved Ones Deaths and Trump went to it!!! READ THAT AGAIN.

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Originally posted by Slider:
These Gold Star Families INVITED Biden, Harris and Trump to come. Biden and Harris Caused their Loved Ones Deaths and Trump went to it!!! READ THAT AGAIN.

The only reasonable explanation I can think of for the above post is that Slider is knowingly posting lies. He has no good excuse for thinking he's truthful.

First lie: The gold star families invited Biden/Harris. They didn't.

Second lie: Biden and/or Harris caused the deaths. They didn't.

The fact is that the bomber was one of those thousands released from prison per a deal Trump made with the Taliban.

Another fact: This whole thing, narrative lie made up and weaponized by Trump to blame Biden/Harris for something which he is mostly the cause in a cause/effect relationship, and its dangerous propaganda/disinformation.

Had Trump been re-elected, would the outcome have been any different?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0....html?smid=url-share

Trump Campaign Uses Statements From Gold Star Families to Attack Harris
It was the latest effort by the Trump campaign to defend itself after the campaign defied a ban on political campaigning at Arlington National Cemetery.

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The Trump campaign and some family members of the troops killed at Abbey Gate have also suggested that Ms. Harris and Mr. Biden had been invited to the Arlington ceremony along with Mr. Trump. An aide with the Harris campaign said that the vice president had not been invited and pointed to a statement from Ms. Harris that mourned the slain troops on the third anniversary of the bombing last week. A White House official also said that Mr. Biden was not invited.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/k...n-taliban-rcna147810

Kabul airport bomber was an ISIS operative freed from prison by the Taliban
A new U.S. military review identified the bomber for the first time and found that the 2021 deadly attack was not preventable.

(excerpts)

“There was no opportunity to engage the bomber prior to the attack,” said a senior U.S. military official, who was involved in the supplemental review.

Thousands of people had converged on the airport in a desperate effort to flee after the Taliban’s swift takeover of the country.

The team of military investigators reviewed photos and video taken of the scene before the attack and found no footage of al-Logari. He was determined to have arrived immediately before the blast and blended in with the massive crowd gathered outside the airport.

The officials involved in the review said that given the density of the crowd, the U.S. military members at the scene did not have time to identify him.

Al-Logari was among the thousands of militants released from Afghan prisons after the Taliban seized control of Kabul in mid-August 2021. But the officials involved in the review said U.S. intelligence determined that even if al-Logari had not been released from prison, the attack would likely have still been carried out because ISIS-K had other bombers ready and available.

https://wapo.st/3Myu43v

Trump’s deal with the Taliban

(excerpt)

With the withdrawal from Afghanistan turning deadly for U.S. troops, President Biden faces new criticism for a situation that he argues presents him few options.

The deal that President Donald Trump cut last year with the Taliban forced Biden to choose between a withdrawal now or an escalation of the war, Biden said Thursday, as he addressed the nation after at least 13 members of the U.S. military were killed in Kabul.

So Trump took a swing at something his predecessors hadn’t: a full-bore effort to strike a deal with the Taliban. It took nine rounds of talks over 18 months. At one point, Trump secretly invited the Taliban to the presidential retreat at Camp David on the eve of the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But he shut that down — and on Twitter threatened to shut down all talks — after an American service member was killed and there was bipartisan backlash over the invitation.

Talks continued in Doha, and in February 2020, Trump announced that there was a deal. The basic contours: The United States was to get out of Afghanistan in 14 months and, in exchange, the Taliban agreed not to let Afghanistan become a haven for terrorists and to stop attacking U.S. service members.

The Taliban also agreed to start peace talks with the Afghan government and consider a cease-fire with the government. (The Taliban had been killing Afghan forces throughout this, attempting to use the violence as leverage in negotiations, U.S. intelligence officials believed.)

The deal laid out an explicit timetable for the United States and NATO to pull out their forces: In the first 100 days or so, they would reduce troops from 14,000 to 8,600 and leave five military bases. Over the next nine months, they would vacate all the rest. “The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months,” the deal reads. “The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.”

The United States would release 5,000 Taliban prisoners; the Taliban would release 1,000 of its prisoners.

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Originally posted by Slider:
These Gold Star Families INVITED Biden, Harris and Trump to come. Biden and Harris Caused their Loved Ones Deaths and Trump went to it!!! READ THAT AGAIN.

It was not their place to offer Trump an exception to long-standing rules.

Decorated Army vet Sen. Tom Cotton slammed President Biden and Veep Kamala Harris on Sunday for turning down invites from Gold Star families to join them and Donald Trump at Arlington National Cemetery last week.

Sen. Tom Cotton is a liar.

The real question is why do you choose to believe liars and lies?

Also, this is another example of why the New York Post is unreliable:

https://nypost.com/2024/09/01/...g-awol-at-arlington/

Well kabob,
read, Gold star families reveal shock at Harris Arlington remarks.
Christy Shamblin, MIL of sgt Nicole Gee, said they did invite Biden?Harris. Their request was ignored, the same with all requests to meet and get answers.
So you believe something put out by the WH to cover their ass, over one of the family members?
Doesnt surprise me, everyone is a liar who says something you disagree with.

LIAR LIAR RACIST!!! A DEMOCRATS RESPONSE TO EVERY FACT!!!

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Gold star families reveal shock at Harris Arlington remarks

Well, It's all over the "news" with some conflicting reporting.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/whi...arris-210322990.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...E0M?ocid=socialshare

https://wapo.st/3ThFLzb


This is the sort of thing we will be seeing much more of closer to the election. And especially if Trump wins, we won't be able to sort out the flood of pure BS and lies HE will generate.

It's astonishing now, but we ain't seen nuttin yet.

The whole thing, in a nutshell, is that Trump magnified a lie, apparently successfully, when he blamed Biden/Harris for the deaths. And has anyone noticed that when Trump lies, which is all the time, and he's called on it, his solution is a combo of telling more lies, and spin it all?

Does anyone really think, after all, that Trump has any respect for military persons, alive, dead, wounded?

His skill with spin, lies, twisting and propaganda, with lots of help from Fox and Steve Bannon's podcast platform, has grown yugely.

It is/was predictable, yet when we can see it happening in real time it's scary. The best we can hope for is that some truthful information and news sources ramp up accordingly, out of necessity, against the onslaught.

Over time, it has become clearer that there are those who can be trusted, although skeptically, with truth and those who utterly cannot be trusted.

The top of the list of those untrustworthy is Trump and his propaganda magahorns machines Fox, Newsmax, Bannon podcast and many more

It seems that some of the family members of those honored said that Biden/Harris were invited. Biden/Harris say they were not invited.

Maybe they didn't get the memo!

I don't trust liars or those who believe lies. If such people stumble upon truth sometimes it just an accident, and when they do have some partial truth sneak up on them, they act like it's the whole truth and also make it mean more than it is.

And that is the other part of things.
I believe the families, anyone format who will listen, they try to get word out to the administration they want to talk. It's a black eye for Biden. Either he, or an aid could have said, "do not pass on any message from the families". The plausible deniability thing. You do not get to decide who is telling the truth Kabob. I do my research.

Yes, I do get to decide who is telling the truth.

Firstly, Trump is a liar. That's a fact.

Not only does he lie, he lies to cover lies, apparently compulsively. Those who support him lie or believe his lies, or don't care that he lies.

He lied when he blamed Biden/Harris for the deaths, and some but not all the Gold Star family members believed him then and believed his subsequent lies. Those are also facts.

Some of the Gold Star family members SAY that Biden/Harris were invited. It's important that the platform where they said it was Bannon's podcast platform and Fox, also known liars. These people saying that are believers in lies already, so why should they be believed now?

Did they provide proof, such as a written copy of the invitation?

The important fact is that Biden/Harris admin say they weren't invited. I choose to believe them.

My evaluation of this is to look at a bundle of lies as a package. That bundle is in Trump's lap.

And believers in lies are the same as liars, especially when parroting or acting upon lies.

I believe President Biden and VP Harris were invited and did not show.

There is nothing to call into question the reporting they were.

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posted 06 September 2024 00:14 Hide Post
I believe President Biden and VP Harris were invited and did not show.

There is nothing to call into question the reporting they were.

They couldn't show up THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS!!!

It only proves Kabob, you have your head up your ass so far you could not reason truth from lie. Put me back on ignore.

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Such a shit thread! Plenty of witnesses have come forward to explain/tesify that Trump ws INVITED and they were the ones taking photos and videos.


If some asshole attendant forgot to change his tampon...that's not the fault of the relatives OR Trump.

Look, shit for brains- if someone invites you to break the law, that doesn’t excuse breaking the law. You should really pull your head out of trump’s ass.

Such eloquent command of the Englsh language! Who taught you those big words?...and just how the Hell do you actually push your head up your own ass?.But next time...take a real deep breath....and change your tampon

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I believe President Biden and VP Harris were invited and did not show.

There is nothing to call into question the reporting they were.

In your case, let me respectfully disagree.

There is something to call into question the claim that they were invited. When I read some of the articles, the authors reported that some of the family members SAID Biden/Harris were invited. OTOH, the Biden/Harris admin said they were not invited. I didn't read the article from NY Post carefully so they may have reported the invite was a fact. Again, all I read was that some family members SAID they had extended an invite. But there's only their word - no proof.

So, I call the claim into question based on the fact that those doing the supposed invite believed in Trump's lies that the deaths were Biden/Harris's fault.

Why would they believe that, and most importantly why would Trump claim such a lie? Political reasons - maybe?

Why is this part of the whole farce so important?

It's because this whole scam was all about making Biden/Harris wrong, and in part to redeem Trump's long history of disrespecting military persons.

It's Trump/team and follower's SOP. Lies, belief thereof, parroting, lying again for cover, spin, fabricate narratives.

This diversion of the claims that Trump was invited, and Biden/Harris was invited too, is missing the points, which is Trump/team knowingly violated the rules and it was all a political stunt.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a1c585066d86c&ei=123

The Führer principle applied: Trump's Arlington scandal invokes Hitler's playbook
Opinion by Chauncey DeVega • 13h • 8 min read

Fair. It will take independent reporting that the families did not invite him for me to say otherwise.

I would call kabob's response pitiful, but I have no pity for a coward. It is cowardice to not look at the truth and admit it.
The families have been on CNN, NBC, CBS, NPR and in the NY Times. All with the same message. They have repeatedly tried to contact the WH to meet, or call them so they could get some answers. So unless all these other sources are liars, that makes Kabob the liar, which he continuously is.
Biden before the nation claimed no soldiers lost their lives under his term. The WH claimed Biden only looked at his watch after the coffins were loaded and on the way. Jeffi and Kabob believes them, while video of Biden checking his watch during the removal of the coffins is going on. Many of the mentioned sources above printed and gave redaction to the story.
Biden is a liar, proven, to be defended by a bigger liar Kabob.
Kabob would piss himself if I ever stood before him and asked him about his answers. He can only get away with his cowardly lies on a computer.

Invited or not invited, what damn difference does it make. The sacred ground at ANC is not to be used for political purposes. Trump and his team were informed of that fact. They not only went ahead with their plan but pushed aside ANC officials to do so. Who gives a shit whether they were invited or not, they knowingly thumbed their noses at the rules proving yet again what disrespectful assholes they are. It is actually pretty simple to understand even for the simpleminded.

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what damn difference does it make

Most profound statement made in this thread.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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what damn difference does it make

Most profound statement made in this thread.

wasn't that killary's line when people were killed under her watch?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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what damn difference does it make

Most profound statement made in this thread.

The difference it make is he violated fed rules, violated the ceremony with photography of our matins best laid to rest, used it in a campaign, and permitted his campaign staff to mistreat a civil servant trying to do their job.

We know you do care about integrity nor the rules.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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what damn difference does it make

Most profound statement made in this thread.

wasn't that killary's line when people were killed under her watch?

That's not right.

She did say something like "at this point, what difference does it make" and rightists blew it up. But she wasn't referring to the deaths, instead to some grilling and asinine point some AH rightists were trying to make, inferring her mistakes and thus incompetence. That whole Benghazi investigations, several, were all about political theater and farce - malfeasance of power. And as Kevin McCarthy said, it paid dividends.

Regarding the premises of this thread, I will never agree with the notion and dismissal of "what difference does it make".

At this point in the scheme of things and Trump's looming threat, EVERYTHING he does and says needs pushback - hard.

Imagine my surprise...

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One of the two Donald Trump campaign aides reportedly involved in the now-infamous scandal in which an Arlington National Cemetery official was purportedly pushed aside for trying to enforce rules against campaign photography was an organizer of an event that became a January 6, 2021, attack, according to reports.

Link

Strange NOT A WORD about Tampon Tim’s STOLEN VALOR!!!