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Clueless.

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Yeah!!!!! And all those other people smiling too! Oh Dear God!!!!!

The woman on the left flashing a gang sign too Eeker I bet she makes your panties wad up.....

Your TDS is,just pathetic lil mikey......
 
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In some parts of the world, a "thumbs up" doesn't mean what it does here.

There is a story about the choice of "EXXON" as a company name.
It was "ESSO" in the western world, but that word already had a meaning in Japanese.


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The ultimate piece of shit.
 
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Yeah, you can see how upset the family is. What an unfeeling jerk! Bill
 
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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
 
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Trump was thinking "FUCKING IDIOT! HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A BONE SPUR!" rotflmo


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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Yep see above post....
 
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TDS my ass. trump was there utilizing Arlington and US war dead for a political photo op. Which is a violation of federal law and Arlington's protocols. Apparently, some of his aides even had some sort of physical altercation with cemetery employees when they tried to prevent the photo op.

You turds may be OK with this, some of us are not. trump is a shit-stain that rubs off on everything he touches.

>>>Arlington National Cemetery officials on Tuesday acknowledged an unspecified “incident” during Donald Trump’s visit on Monday on the third anniversary of the Afghanistan withdrawal, as dueling allegations of misbehavior overshadowed an event to honor American war dead.

An NPR report on Tuesday cited an unidentified source with knowledge of the incident who said Trump campaign staff pushed and verbally attacked a cemetery official who tried to stop them from taking photos and video in an area of the cemetery called Section 60, where many U.S. service members who died in recent conflicts are buried. The cemetery said in a statement that federal law bars photography for political campaign purposes at the site.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...metery-npr-incident/


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Asshole. Using the war dead to raise money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...anistan-anniversary/


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I hope that shit stain has a stroke that leaves him unable to speak, shitting in his diapers. I would to see him like that and tell that pile shit to go fuck off.
 
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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.
 
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TDS my ass. trump was there utilizing Arlington and US war dead for a political photo op.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.....

While O'bidenen was on vacation in California and cackles, you know the last one in the room on the decisions that got those Americans killed where not there for those families..... To this date neither one of those responsible for getting those brave young Americans killed have contacted those gold star families.

Goofy Joe did check his watch during the repatriation though.... It took a lot of time to honor their remains....
 
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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.


You dishonor a combat vet? The left is despicable.

How does that make you better than what you claim of trump???
 
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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.


You dishonor a combat vet? The left is despicable.

How does that make you better than what you claim of trump???


Poor Dumb Jim strikes again.

trump has now put up footage from his visit to Arlington on Tik Tok, utilizing it as a political ad. I guess that is how he "honors" our war dead that he has called "suckers and losers"....

BTW, some of the family members who invited him to the cemetery also spoke on his behalf at the Republican National Convention.

And, the family of the Green Beret who is buried next to the grave where trump did his absurd "thumbs up" while grinning like a loon has gone on record complaining about the stunt.

The man just has no bottom. No matter how despicable and clueless he is one week, he manages to top it the next.


https://www.npr.org/2024/08/29...y-altercation-tiktok


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U.S. Army veteran Lucas O’Hara, who was at Arlington Cemetery on Monday honoring those killed at Abbey Gate on the third anniversary of the bombing in Afghanistan.

“I have witnessed over 75 wreath laying ceremonies performed by politicians and conducted 524 funerals in this cemetery during the time I served in the Presidential Honor Guard for three years.

What I got to witness yesterday was the most respectful and solemn ceremony I have seen.

There were no speeches, no angles, no weird photo ops just our elected officials and the 45th President respectfully and solemnly honoring the fallen and their families.”


What Lucas O’hara had to say


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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Yep see above post....


I have to chuckle at references to "TDS". Sure the folks that despise Trump do so with passion, myself included. When you have someone devoid of character, morals, ethics, loyalty, etc. they are an easy person to passionately despise. But I have always thought that "TDS" . . . Trump Delusion Syndrome . . . was a much worse syndrome to be afflicted with. When you have people that are constantly seeking to rationalize his irrational behavior, defend, dismiss or overlook his foibles, thereby allowing their own character, ethics and morality to be called into question by ignoring his lack thereof, that seems to me to be a much more serious issue. And I think the syndrome is particularly debilitating when it reaches a point where folks are aware they are doing it but do it anyway . . . the folks that preface their excuses, rationalizations, with the qualifier, "I don't like Trump but . . ." or "I supported someone else in the primary but . . ." Those folks are basically saying I understand who and what he is and I just don't give damn.


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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.


You dishonor a combat vet? The left is despicable.

How does that make you better than what you claim of trump???


I’m a combat vet as well. We both took the same oath. I don’t advocate for a dictator in the White House.
 
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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.


You dishonor a combat vet? The left is despicable.

How does that make you better than what you claim of trump???


How about worshipping a coward.

Who refused to go into combat?? rotflmo


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U.S. Army veteran Lucas O’Hara, who was at Arlington Cemetery on Monday honoring those killed at Abbey Gate on the third anniversary of the bombing in Afghanistan.

“I have witnessed over 75 wreath laying ceremonies performed by politicians and conducted 524 funerals in this cemetery during the time I served in the Presidential Honor Guard for three years.

What I got to witness yesterday was the most respectful and solemn ceremony I have seen.

There were no speeches, no angles, no weird photo ops just our elected officials and the 45th President respectfully and solemnly honoring the fallen and their families.”


What Lucas O’hara had to say


Many other vets have a different viewpoint:

>>>Every Memorial Day, I make a point of visiting Arlington National Cemetery, where eight of my fellow Iraq War veteran friends rest — eight Americans who gave their lives for our country. Each of them is a hero, and one even earned the Medal of Honor, making the ultimate sacrifice to save others.

Like so many veterans from my generation, I bear the scars of service. Post-traumatic stress disorder and survivor’s guilt are constant companions, but I live each day to honor the sacrifice of my friends, my heroes, whether I knew them personally or not. Section 60 is sacred to me. It is where my generation of American heroes have found an honored place of rest. I go there to pay my respects, and I am appalled that anyone could walk these grounds with any other intention.


Donald Trump recently used Section 60 and Arlington National Cemetery as a backdrop for a campaign ad. He and his staff shamelessly walked these hallowed grounds, bone spurs and all, in pursuit of something for themselves. Reports even suggest that they assaulted an employee whose job is to preserve the dignity and sanctuary of this space. I cannot stand by and watch this happen. I will oppose such disrespect with every breath I have left.


If any other figure were to commit them, Mr. Trump’s actions toward the men and women who have served this country would be an automatic disqualifier from public service. Yet once again, we see a man who behaves as though he is above the very norms and values that define the United States — the same values which the men and women at Arlington made the ultimate sacrifice to protect.

Will Attig, Arlington

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This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.


You dishonor a combat vet? The left is despicable.

How does that make you better than what you claim of trump???


I’m a combat vet as well. We both took the same oath. I don’t advocate for a dictator in the White House.


But apparently you are all for a commander in chief that doesn't protect our borders.....
 
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Originally posted by JudgeG:
This thread is just more absolute proof that TDS is real and in severe cases, absolutely bizarre.


Were you really an Air Force officer? If so, you’re now a shit stain and disgrace to the uniform.


You dishonor a combat vet? The left is despicable.

How does that make you better than what you claim of trump???


I’m a combat vet as well. We both took the same oath. I don’t advocate for a dictator in the White House.


But apparently you are all for a commander in chief that doesn't protect our borders.....


Look! Over there!


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From the reports I have seen, Trump was invited by the families who welcomed his attendance and were happy with the photo op.
Now, was Trump sincere in his respect for the fallen? Probably not. Sincerity isn't really his forte. On the other hand, are we seeing some serious panty knots on the lefties side, with a similar lack of sincerity? Of course we are. Regards, Bill.
 
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Reports saying he was NOT invited.

He invited himself for a photo op!


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I am willing to believe Trump was invited.

That does not change to photograph this is 1) bad taste, 2) may be against Fed law, and 3) when asked to stop photographing based on the color of law means photographer should stop photographing and act like an adult, and not make a scene.
 
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He was invited and that's fine. The family that invited him are entitled to be trump supporters and to have him come lay a wreath or do whatever.

What they are not entitled to do is violate federal law and Arlington National Cemetery's rules and regulations prohibiting the use of the cemetery for political purposes.

Hard to believe all this has to be explained over and over.


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From the reports I have seen, Trump was invited by the families who welcomed his attendance and were happy with the photo op.
Now, was Trump sincere in his respect for the fallen? Probably not. Sincerity isn't really his forte. On the other hand, are we seeing some serious panty knots on the lefties side, with a similar lack of sincerity? Of course we are. Regards, Bill.


Both of my parents are buried in a National Cemetery. It's my opinion they are holy places. If that's a "panty knot" to you, I feel sorry for you.

Not the place for trump to make a political ad to run on Tik Tok in order to advance his chances of becoming POTUS.


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Let's be honest, if it had been Kamala, you'd have been just fine with it. I happen to think Trump is a man with zero class and I think he was just as sincere in this as he was with the upside-down bible. I also think this is just another example of him believing the rules don't apply to him. Nonetheless, I strongly suspect most of the outrage we are seeing is partisan bullshit.
In the end, the Trumpeteers will still follow and the anti-Trumpers will still hate.
Ultimately, this is another case of Trump misreading the room and chalking up another blunder. He has no class. That's not news. Regards, Bill
 
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Partisan? I doubt this take is partisan.....

"* USA Today published a report on veterans who were not pleased with Trump’s actions. The article quoted retired Major General Paul Eaton, a senior adviser at VoteVets, who called the campaign’s actions at the cemetery “nauseating” and “repugnant.”

* As feared, Team Trump has already released a campaign video featuring footage of the GOP candidate’s visit to Arlington.

* Did the Trump campaign’s actions this week violate the law? A Washington Post report reviewed the relevant details.

* Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance said Vice President Kamala Harris “can go to hell” for criticizing Trump’s cemetery appearance, despite the fact that Harris hadn’t actually made any such criticisms. The Ohio senator later declined to say whether presidential candidates should have to abide by federal law prohibiting campaigns from filming at gravesites."
 
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Let's be honest, if it had been Kamala, you'd have been just fine with it. I happen to think Trump is a man with zero class and I think he was just as sincere in this as he was with the upside-down bible. I also think this is just another example of him believing the rules don't apply to him. Nonetheless, I strongly suspect most of the outrage we are seeing is partisan bullshit.
In the end, the Trumpeteers will still follow and the anti-Trumpers will still hate.
Ultimately, this is another case of Trump misreading the room and chalking up another blunder. He has no class. That's not news. Regards, Bill


Let's be honest, it wasn't Kamala or anybody else. It was trump. And, I wouldn't have been "fine with it" no matter who it might have been. I don't think you have a very good understanding of Arlington National Cemetery and what it means to some folks.

By the way, here's another liberal partisan (to use your words) organization that takes issue with what happened: The United States Army.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29...-incident/index.html

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The US Army issued a stark rebuke of former President Donald Trump’s presidential campaign over the incident on Monday at Arlington National Cemetery, saying in a statement on Thursday that participants in the ceremony “were made aware of federal laws” regarding political activity at the cemetery, and “abruptly pushed aside” an employee of the cemetery.

“Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside,” the Army spokesperson said in the statement on Thursday. Section 60 is an area in the cemetery largely reserved for the graves of those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“This incident was unfortunate, and it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. ANC is a national shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces, and its dedicated staff will continue to ensure public ceremonies are conducted with the dignity and respect the nation’s fallen deserve,” the statement said.

The Army spokesperson said while the incident was reported to the police department at Joint Base Myer-Henderson Hall, the employee in question “decided not to press charges” so the Army “considers this matter closed.”

The Army’s statement is a rare rebuke from a military service is loath to get in the middle of highly political issues. It’s also not the first time there has been a controversy involving Trump related to the military as his campaign looks to make the chaotic US withdrawal from Afghanistan under the Biden administration a key election issue.

Asked about the Army’s statement on Thursday, deputy Pentagon press secretary Sabrina Singh said the Defense Department is “aware of the statement that the Army issued, and we support what the Army said.”

Trump was visiting the cemetery following a wreath laying to honor 13 US military service members who were killed at Kabul airport’s Abbey Gate in Afghanistan three years go.

A video of the visit posted by the Trump campaign on TikTok showed video of the former president walking through Arlington and visiting grave sites, with audio of him criticizing the Biden administration’s “disaster” of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Accounts of the incident on Monday have varied, with the Trump campaign insisting there were no violations of the law, while cemetery officials have said they were told ahead of time to avoid political activity.

NPR first reported that there had been a “verbal and physical altercation” during the cemetery visit. A source with knowledge of the incident told the outlet that a cemetery official attempted to prevent Trump’s team from photographing and filming in the area where recent US casualties are buried. In response, Trump campaign staff “verbally abused and pushed the official aside,” according to NPR.

Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung disputed claims of a physical altercation, but said an unnamed individual decided to “physically block members of President Trump’s team during a very solemn ceremony.” Cheung suggested that Trump’s team has video to back up the claim, though no video of the incident has been released yet.

Trump campaign manager Chris LaCivita shared a similar account with CNN, saying in a statement that “President Trump was there on the invitation of the Abbey Gate Gold Star Families to honor their loved ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country.”

“For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed [sic] grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country,” LaCivita continued.

But according to a statement from Arlington National Cemetery obtained by CNN, federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries.

The cemetery said it “reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants,” which includes “photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign.”

Trump appeared to suggest the incident stemmed from his campaign’s use of photography, sharing a statement from the family members of the fallen soldiers expressing their approval in a post on Truth Social.

“We had given our approval for President Trump’s official videographer and photographer to attend the event, ensuring these sacred moments of remembrance were respectfully captured and so we can cherish these memories forever,” the families said.

However, it wasn’t just the graves of those killed at Abbey Gate that were featured in photo and video from Trump’s visit. In at least one photo posted online, the grave of an Army Special Forces soldier who died by suicide is also featured; his family has since said they did not give the campaign permission to do so. The grave of Master Sgt. Andrew Marckesano, a Silver Star recipient, sits next to that of Marine Staff Sgt. Darin Taylor Hoover.

A statement from Marckesano’s sister on behalf of their family said that while they supported families of the 13 fallen “in their quest for answers and accountability regarding the Afghanistan withdrawal and the tragedy at Abbey Gate,” the Trump campaign “did not adhere to the rules” of Section 60.

“[A]ccording to our conversation with Arlington National Cemetery, the Trump Campaign staffers did not adhere to the rules that were set in place for this visit to SSGT Hoover’s grave site in Section 60, which lays directly next to my brother’s grave,” the statement from Michele Marckesano said. “We hope that those visiting this sacred site understand that these were real people who sacrificed for our freedom and that they are honored and respected accordingly.”

Hours after the Army’s statement was released Thursday LaCivita re-shared a video on X of Trump’s visit saying he was “hoping to trigger the hacks at @SecArmy,” tagging the official account for Army Secretary Christine Wormuth. The video showed the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier rather than Section 60.

Asked about LaCivita’s post on X, an Army spokesperson only repeated that the Army considers the matter closed.

Some veterans groups have also spoken out about the Trump campaign conducting political activity at Arlington — one of the most sacred burial grounds for US service members.

Charlie Iacono, the president and CEO of the Green Beret Foundation, said Thursday that the foundation “stands in full support of the statements provided by the Marckesano family. Every soul laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery and other military cemeteries across the globe deserve to have the policies that honor them upheld and the appropriate protocols followed, ensuring that their legacies are never forgotten.”

Allison Jaslow, the CEO of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said in a statement that there are “plenty of places appropriate for politics — Arlington is not one of them.”

“Any aspiring elected official, especially one who hopes to be Commander in Chief, should not be confused about that fact,” Jaslow said. “Nor should they hide behind members of our community to justify politicking on such sacred ground.

In a post on X, VoteVets, a progressive organization that advocates for issues relating to US troops and veterans, said Trump was using the cemetery “for political purposes.”

“This whole episode is sickening and (an) affront to all those hundreds of thousands of families who never agreed to allow their deceased loved ones to be dragged into politics,” the post said.

The office of House Speaker Mike Johnson told CNN on Thursday that he’d “had to intervene to get former President Donald Trump into Arlington National Cemetery.” House Foreign Affairs Chairman Michael McCaul also told CNN that he’d reached out to Johnson’s office about the issue after being contacted by Darin Hoover and Kelly Barnett, the parents of Marine Staff Sgt. Darin Taylor Hoover, who was killed at Abbey Gate. McCaul said Arlington had given the family members “a hard time about coordinating a ceremony on the anniversary of their children’s death with President Trump.”


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6953a&ei=205#image=1

Elon Musk's X flags article on Trump's Arlington visit as 'unsafe'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...374149b66953a&ei=273

Why Trump’s Arlington Debacle Is So Serious
Story by Michael Powell • 3h • 5 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...374149b66953a&ei=254

What really happened when Donald Trump went to Arlington National Cemetery

After the Donald Trump campaign spent a couple of news cycles lying and gaslighting about their effort to break the rules in order to use Arlington National Cemetery as a political prop, the truth of what happened is finally becoming clear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...PaN?ocid=socialshare

Army has a different account of Trump campaign Arlington National Cemetery incident

The Army is rebuking the accounts made public of an apparent incident at Arlington National Cemetery's Section 60 involving the Trump campaign.


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Let's be honest, if it had been Kamala, you'd have been just fine with it. I happen to think Trump is a man with zero class and I think he was just as sincere in this as he was with the upside-down bible. I also think this is just another example of him believing the rules don't apply to him. Nonetheless, I strongly suspect most of the outrage we are seeing is partisan bullshit.
In the end, the Trumpeteers will still follow and the anti-Trumpers will still hate.
Ultimately, this is another case of Trump misreading the room and chalking up another blunder. He has no class. That's not news. Regards, Bill


Let's be honest, it wasn't Kamala or anybody else. It was trump. And, I wouldn't have been "fine with it" no matter who it might have been. I don't think you have a very good understanding of Arlington National Cemetery and what it means to some folks.

By the way, here's another liberal partisan (to use your words) organization that takes issue with what happened: The United States Army.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29...-incident/index.html

CNN

The US Army issued a stark rebuke of former President Donald Trump’s presidential campaign over the incident on Monday at Arlington National Cemetery, saying in a statement on Thursday that participants in the ceremony “were made aware of federal laws” regarding political activity at the cemetery, and “abruptly pushed aside” an employee of the cemetery.

“Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside,” the Army spokesperson said in the statement on Thursday. Section 60 is an area in the cemetery largely reserved for the graves of those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“This incident was unfortunate, and it is also unfortunate that the ANC employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. ANC is a national shrine to the honored dead of the Armed Forces, and its dedicated staff will continue to ensure public ceremonies are conducted with the dignity and respect the nation’s fallen deserve,” the statement said.

The Army spokesperson said while the incident was reported to the police department at Joint Base Myer-Henderson Hall, the employee in question “decided not to press charges” so the Army “considers this matter closed.”

The Army’s statement is a rare rebuke from a military service is loath to get in the middle of highly political issues. It’s also not the first time there has been a controversy involving Trump related to the military as his campaign looks to make the chaotic US withdrawal from Afghanistan under the Biden administration a key election issue.

Asked about the Army’s statement on Thursday, deputy Pentagon press secretary Sabrina Singh said the Defense Department is “aware of the statement that the Army issued, and we support what the Army said.”

Trump was visiting the cemetery following a wreath laying to honor 13 US military service members who were killed at Kabul airport’s Abbey Gate in Afghanistan three years go.

A video of the visit posted by the Trump campaign on TikTok showed video of the former president walking through Arlington and visiting grave sites, with audio of him criticizing the Biden administration’s “disaster” of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Accounts of the incident on Monday have varied, with the Trump campaign insisting there were no violations of the law, while cemetery officials have said they were told ahead of time to avoid political activity.

NPR first reported that there had been a “verbal and physical altercation” during the cemetery visit. A source with knowledge of the incident told the outlet that a cemetery official attempted to prevent Trump’s team from photographing and filming in the area where recent US casualties are buried. In response, Trump campaign staff “verbally abused and pushed the official aside,” according to NPR.

Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung disputed claims of a physical altercation, but said an unnamed individual decided to “physically block members of President Trump’s team during a very solemn ceremony.” Cheung suggested that Trump’s team has video to back up the claim, though no video of the incident has been released yet.

Trump campaign manager Chris LaCivita shared a similar account with CNN, saying in a statement that “President Trump was there on the invitation of the Abbey Gate Gold Star Families to honor their loved ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country.”

“For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed [sic] grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country,” LaCivita continued.

But according to a statement from Arlington National Cemetery obtained by CNN, federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries.

The cemetery said it “reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants,” which includes “photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign.”

Trump appeared to suggest the incident stemmed from his campaign’s use of photography, sharing a statement from the family members of the fallen soldiers expressing their approval in a post on Truth Social.

“We had given our approval for President Trump’s official videographer and photographer to attend the event, ensuring these sacred moments of remembrance were respectfully captured and so we can cherish these memories forever,” the families said.

However, it wasn’t just the graves of those killed at Abbey Gate that were featured in photo and video from Trump’s visit. In at least one photo posted online, the grave of an Army Special Forces soldier who died by suicide is also featured; his family has since said they did not give the campaign permission to do so. The grave of Master Sgt. Andrew Marckesano, a Silver Star recipient, sits next to that of Marine Staff Sgt. Darin Taylor Hoover.

A statement from Marckesano’s sister on behalf of their family said that while they supported families of the 13 fallen “in their quest for answers and accountability regarding the Afghanistan withdrawal and the tragedy at Abbey Gate,” the Trump campaign “did not adhere to the rules” of Section 60.

“[A]ccording to our conversation with Arlington National Cemetery, the Trump Campaign staffers did not adhere to the rules that were set in place for this visit to SSGT Hoover’s grave site in Section 60, which lays directly next to my brother’s grave,” the statement from Michele Marckesano said. “We hope that those visiting this sacred site understand that these were real people who sacrificed for our freedom and that they are honored and respected accordingly.”

Hours after the Army’s statement was released Thursday LaCivita re-shared a video on X of Trump’s visit saying he was “hoping to trigger the hacks at @SecArmy,” tagging the official account for Army Secretary Christine Wormuth. The video showed the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier rather than Section 60.

Asked about LaCivita’s post on X, an Army spokesperson only repeated that the Army considers the matter closed.

Some veterans groups have also spoken out about the Trump campaign conducting political activity at Arlington — one of the most sacred burial grounds for US service members.

Charlie Iacono, the president and CEO of the Green Beret Foundation, said Thursday that the foundation “stands in full support of the statements provided by the Marckesano family. Every soul laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery and other military cemeteries across the globe deserve to have the policies that honor them upheld and the appropriate protocols followed, ensuring that their legacies are never forgotten.”

Allison Jaslow, the CEO of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said in a statement that there are “plenty of places appropriate for politics — Arlington is not one of them.”

“Any aspiring elected official, especially one who hopes to be Commander in Chief, should not be confused about that fact,” Jaslow said. “Nor should they hide behind members of our community to justify politicking on such sacred ground.

In a post on X, VoteVets, a progressive organization that advocates for issues relating to US troops and veterans, said Trump was using the cemetery “for political purposes.”

“This whole episode is sickening and (an) affront to all those hundreds of thousands of families who never agreed to allow their deceased loved ones to be dragged into politics,” the post said.

The office of House Speaker Mike Johnson told CNN on Thursday that he’d “had to intervene to get former President Donald Trump into Arlington National Cemetery.” House Foreign Affairs Chairman Michael McCaul also told CNN that he’d reached out to Johnson’s office about the issue after being contacted by Darin Hoover and Kelly Barnett, the parents of Marine Staff Sgt. Darin Taylor Hoover, who was killed at Abbey Gate. McCaul said Arlington had given the family members “a hard time about coordinating a ceremony on the anniversary of their children’s death with President Trump.”


You underestimate how far trumptards have their heads up their asses. They’ll give you some dumb bullshit like “The Army is woke” or some other stupidity from their white trash messiah.
 
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This pretty much says it all.

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The section of Arlington National Cemetery that Donald Trump visited on Monday is both the liveliest and the most achingly sad part of the grand military graveyard, set aside for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Section 60, young widows can be seen using clippers and scissors to groom the grass around their husbands’ tombstones as lots of children run about.

Karen Meredith knows the saddest acre in America only too well. The California resident’s son, First Lieutenant Kenneth Ballard, was the fourth generation of her family to serve as an Army officer. He was killed in Najaf, Iraq, in 2004, and laid to rest in Section 60. She puts flowers on his gravesite every Memorial Day. “It’s not a number, not a headstone,” she told me. “He was my only child.”

The sections of Arlington holding Civil War and World War I dead have a lonely and austere beauty. Not Section 60, where the atmosphere is sanctified but not somber—too many kids, Meredith recalled from her visits to her son’s burial site. “We laugh, we pop champagne. I have met men who served under him, and they speak of him with such respect. And to think that this man”—she was referring to Trump—“came here and put his thumb up—”

She fell silent for a moment on the telephone, taking a gulp of air. “I’m trying not to cry.”

For Trump, defiling what is sacred in our civic culture borders on a pastime. Peacefully transferring power to the next president, treating political adversaries with at least rudimentary grace, honoring those soldiers wounded and disfigured in service of our country—Trump long ago walked roughshod over all these norms. Before he tried to overturn a national election, he mocked his opponents in the crudest terms and demeaned dead soldiers as “suckers.”

But the former president outdid himself this week, when he attended a wreath-laying ceremony honoring 13 American soldiers killed in a suicide bombing in Kabul during the final havoc-marked hours of the American withdrawal. Trump laid three wreaths and put hand over heart; that is a time-honored privilege of presidents. Trump, as is his wont, went further. He walked to a burial site in Section 60 and posed with the family of a fallen soldier, grinning broadly and giving a thumbs-up for his campaign photographer and videographer.

Few spaces in the United States join the sacred and the secular to more moving effect than Arlington National Cemetery, 624 acres set on a bluff overlooking the Potomac River and our nation’s capital. More than 400,000 veterans and their dependents have been laid to rest here, among them nearly 400 Medal of Honor recipients. Rows of matching white tombstones stretch to the end of sight.

A cemetery employee politely attempted to stop the campaign staff from filming in Section 60. Taking campaign photos and videos at gravesites is expressly forbidden under federal law. The Trump entourage, according to a subsequent statement by the U.S. Army, which oversees the cemetery, “abruptly pushed” her aside.

Trump’s campaign soon posted a video on TikTok, overlaid with Trump’s narration: “We didn’t lose one person in 18 months. And then they”—the Biden administration—“took over, that disaster of leaving Afghanistan.”

Trump was unsurprisingly not telling the truth; 11 soldiers were killed in Afghanistan in his last year in office, and his administration had itself negotiated the withdrawal. But such fabrications are incidental sins compared with what came next. A top Trump adviser, Chris LaCivita, and campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung talked to reporters and savaged the employee who had tried to stop the entourage. Cheung referred to her as “an unnamed individual, clearly suffering a mental-health episode.” LaCivita declared her a “despicable individual” who ought to be fired.

There was, of course, another way to handle this mistake. Governor Spencer Cox of Utah had accompanied Trump to the cemetery, and his campaign emailed out photos of the governor and the former president there. When challenged, Cox did what is foreign to Trump: He apologized. “You are correct,” Cox replied to a person criticizing the event on X, adding, “It did not go through the proper channels and should not have been sent. My campaign will be sending out an apology.”

This was not a judgment call, or a minor violation of obscure bureaucratic boilerplate. In the regulations governing visitors and behavior at Arlington National Cemetery, many paragraphs lay out what behavior is acceptable and what is not. These read not as suggestions but as commandments. Memorial services are intended to honor the fallen, the regulations note, with a rough eloquence: “Partisan activities are inappropriate in Arlington National Cemetery, due to its role as a shrine to all the honored dead of the Armed Forces of the United States and out of respect for the men and women buried there and for their families.”

As the clamor of revulsion swelled this week, LaCivita did not back off. On Wednesday, the Trump adviser posted a photo of Trump at Arlington Cemetery on X and added these words: “The Photo that shook the world and reminded America who the real Commander in Chief is …August 26th 2024 ..Mark the day ⁦@KamalaHarris⁩ and weak ⁦@JoeBiden.”

The Army, which is historically loath to enter politics, issued a rare statement yesterday rebuking the Trump campaign, noting that ceremony participants “had been made aware” of relevant federal laws “prohibiting political activities” and that the employee “acted with professionalism.” The Army said it “considers this matter closed” because the cemetery employee had declined to press charges.

Meanwhile, an unrepentant Trump team kept stoking the controversy. Yesterday, LaCivita posted another photo of Trump at Arlington and added this: “Reposting this hoping to trigger the hacks at @SecArmy”—the Army secretary’s office.

It had the quality of middle-school graffiti, suggesting that Trump viewed the controversy as yet another chance to mock his critics before moving on to the next outrage. For grieving families with loved ones buried in Section 60, moving on is not so easy.

How old, I asked Meredith, was your son at the time of his death? “He was 26,” she replied. “He did not have time to live. I didn’t get to dance at his wedding. I didn’t get to play with grandkids.”

This week, all she could do was call out a crude and self-regarding 78-year-old man for failing, in that most sacred of American places, to comport himself with even the roughest facsimile of dignity.


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This is actually obscene!

A draft dodging coward using the cemetery of the brave to further his sick agenda! rotflmo


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I'm surprised that he didn't use a large Bible and hug the flag as a photo-op prompts.

I figure he's waiting for the tailors to finish his superman suit and cape.


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I'm sure his next move will be to start selling scraps of the suit he was wearing while dishonoring our veterans.


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This is actually obscene!

A draft dodging coward using the cemetery of the brave to further his sick agenda! rotflmo


"Obscene" is a good way to describe it. Despicable is another.


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While I think a lot of the outrage is artificial, I also think the employee should have pressed charges and Trump and his team should have been charged. I'll admit to a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the story and saw it as another "lefties losing it" situation. The more I hear about it, the less I believe this.
By the way, my parents served, I served, my daughter served, and I feel humbled when I have walked through Arlington. I do think proper respect should be shown. However, to politicize the alleged incident, without following through with charges, is almost as bad.
This is just another example of why this election cycle is so bad. Neither candidate is worth a damn. Regards, Bill
 
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Always the victim


https://youtube.com/shorts/r4h...?si=KWan0oI5xpqu7y9e

Trump claims Arlington cemetery incident was a 'setup'


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Unbelievable.


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