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Originally posted by jdollar:
Look at the length of the last few posts. No opinion change but a lot of time wasted. Unreal….

I think it's important to look at it another way. So, who says no opinion changed? Who says it's a waste of time?

Let's say that it's true that few opinions changed. But did the facts change? Did the facts matter?

Here's another example where opinion is everything and facts don't matter:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Why do you leftards excuse Kamala and goofy biden for the disastrous pull out plans that killed 13 young americans???!!

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Approximately one-half of the voters in the US see through the sophomoric, syncopathic and sheep directed spewing. I’ll bet that many of those 1/2 wouldn’t be so ardent for Trump if complaints against the guy weren’t driven by “the ends justify the means” mentality and reporting on Trump (and Kamala) was more objectively sound.

Profound statement..... The lefties should look within.....of course they wouldn't like what they saw.....

"this border is secure"......etc.....

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The question is, IMO, do we want to just let that sort of BS go unanswered, and affect the way the country is run, the direction, without any pushback?

This is the way Rightists think and operate and want the country run in a manner that utterly affirms that - their alt-reality.

I think it's important to know that, and not just take for granted that such people are "good" and have honorable intentions.

We have a perverted and pervasive condition where opinion and ideology are everything, and facts are malleable.

How is it possible to know that without reference to various sources, one of which is this forum?

When they tell you who they are by saying what they believe is true, and the basis, take them at their word at face value.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...re&utm_campaign=copy

Knee jerk TDS leads to the above distrust.

The point is Trump could "hear" their stories without violating the sanctify of the place, and without using the hallowed ground as a political prop and statement/affirmation of a lie about his opposition.

Trump made the choice to not abide the rules established and known/stated to him and team.

He cared more about the political op than he did about rules.

This whole event was more about making Biden/Harris wrong, and diverting blame from him, and politics. Honoring the fallen was merely co-incidental. Why waste a golden opportunity?

All the media and other opposition to it is simply pushback on ongoing spin/farce narratives. With Trump, nothing can be allowed to slide.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

The Epoch Times is a far-right[1] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[29] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[30] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.[31]

I count 11 knee-jerk TDS assumptions in the below.
I’ll see you later.
Maybe while I’m gone a princess will kiss you and you’ll be transformed from a sheep into a rational guy who thinks before he assumes.
And you’re correct about Epoch Times but their origins don’t mean their reporting is incorrect… unless you have TDS.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The point is Trump could "hear" their stories without violating the sanctify of the place, and without using the hallowed ground as a political prop and statement/affirmation of a lie about his opposition.

Trump made the choice to not abide the rules established and known/stated to him and team.

He cared more about the political op than he did about rules.

This whole event was more about making Biden/Harris wrong, and diverting blame from him, and politics. Honoring the fallen was merely co-incidental. Why waste a golden opportunity?

All the media and other opposition to it is simply pushback on ongoing spin/farce narratives. With Trump, nothing can be allowed to slide.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

The Epoch Times is a far-right[1] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[29] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[30] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.[31]

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/...re&utm_campaign=copy

Knee jerk TDS leads to the above distrust.

TDS again . . . you need to up your game Ernst.

As I said above, I’m traveling for a while.

Shooting cripples has lost my interest.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/...re&utm_campaign=copy

Knee jerk TDS leads to the above distrust.

TDS again . . . you need to up your game Ernst.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
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Why do you leftards excuse Kamala and goofy biden for the disastrous pull out plans that killed 13 young americans???!!

Between just me and you? I don't think anybody does. I don't think there's any excuse and I don't think anyone really absolves Biden and co.

Isn't the point really why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co more popular? Why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co clearly superior and winning?

How long are you and I and Lane going to wait? How long before we three and others abandon Trump, the GOP and build a political movement that our fellow Americans can rally behind in the majority?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
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Why do you leftards excuse Kamala and goofy biden for the disastrous pull out plans that killed 13 young americans???!!

Between just me and you? I don't think anybody does. I don't think there's any excuse and I don't think anyone really absolves Biden and co.

Isn't the point really why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co more popular? Why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co clearly superior and winning?

How long are you and I and Lane going to wait? How long before we three and others abandon Trump, the GOP and build a political movement that our fellow Americans can rally behind in the majority?

I don't blame Biden because my memory works. The 5,000 Taliban prisoners Trump caused to be released was twice the 2,500 U.S. troops left in Afghanistan when Biden was sworn in, and we had abandoned every airfield but one. The 2,500 was below the number the generals said was necessary for just self-defense, so Biden's options were to pull them or send more troops and start a major offensive to take back what Trump gave away.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
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Why do you leftards excuse Kamala and goofy biden for the disastrous pull out plans that killed 13 young americans???!!

Between just me and you? I don't think anybody does. I don't think there's any excuse and I don't think anyone really absolves Biden and co.

Isn't the point really why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co more popular? Why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co clearly superior and winning?

How long are you and I and Lane going to wait? How long before we three and others abandon Trump, the GOP and build a political movement that our fellow Americans can rally behind in the majority?

I don't blame Biden because my memory works. The 5,000 Taliban prisoners Trump caused to be released was twice the 2,500 U.S. troops left in Afghanistan when Biden was sworn in, and we had abandoned every airfield but one. The 2,500 was below the number the generals said was necessary for just self-defense, so Biden's options were to pull them or send more troops and start a major offensive to take back what Trump gave away.

Silly me, I thought Biden was the Commander in Chief.

Come on Jeff, you ain't that retarded.

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Silly me, I thought Biden was the Commander in Chief.

Come on Jeff, you ain't that retarded.

You're correct, Jeff5 ain't retarded.

Scott, sometimes it's tricky to tell whether you're joking or not.

Anyway: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-...from-Afghanistan.pdf

"As part of the deal, President Trump also pressured the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban
fighters from prison, including senior war commanders, without securing the release of
the only American hostage known to be held by the Taliban."

https://www.defense.gov/News/N...identifies-attacker/

Kabul Airport Attack Review Reaffirms Initial Findings, Identifies Attacker
April 15, 2024 | By Matthew Olay, DOD News

Al-Logari was one of thousands of ISIS-K members the Taliban released from a pair of detention centers in mid-August 2021, according to another Army team official.

The same official also pointed out that the supplemental review team determined ISIS-K would have still been able to conduct the attack regardless of whether al-Logari had been released, because the terror organization already had multiple suicide bombers available.

"This supports the conclusion that the attack at Abbey Gate was not preventable at the tactical level," the official said.

I'll try to be "nice" since you are not available to defend yourself.

I looked up the definition of "assumption" just to be sure of its meanings.

"An assumption is something that you assume to be the case, even without proof."

So, perhaps my post below could be deemed assumptions. "Proof" is elusive, but all the claims I made are supported by lots of evidence.

Here's an example of assumption which leads to collateral assumptions: Trump's whole worldview is transactional. That assumption is based on a long list and time of evidence.

So, practically everything he does he evaluates what's in it for himself. He saw opportunity for himself in the events in ANC, otherwise he probably wouldn't have bothered. As I said, assumed, he could have done the "hearing" and ceremony without violating the rules, which were known to him despite his lies that he didn't know. The truth is, as usual, he didn't care about the rules.

I stand by my "assumption" that Trump used the event to reinforce his lie(s) about Biden & admin partly because he had an enabling assembly.

BTW, take the last sentence above - there are three facts stated therein. Combined, if you want to call that "assumptions" - go ahead.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I count 11 knee-jerk TDS assumptions in the below.
I’ll see you later.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The point is Trump could "hear" their stories without violating the sanctify of the place, and without using the hallowed ground as a political prop and statement/affirmation of a lie about his opposition.

Trump made the choice to not abide the rules established and known/stated to him and team.

He cared more about the political op than he did about rules.

This whole event was more about making Biden/Harris wrong, and diverting blame from him, and politics. Honoring the fallen was merely co-incidental. Why waste a golden opportunity?

All the media and other opposition to it is simply pushback on ongoing spin/farce narratives. With Trump, nothing can be allowed to slide.

https://wapo.st/4dDBWg1

With boost from grieving families, Trump sharpens attacks on Harris
The former president’s campaign aimed to turn the controversy over his actions at Arlington National Cemetery into an attack on the Biden administration’s handling of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

https://wapo.st/4dZXOCg

Army defends Arlington Cemetery staffer ‘pushed aside’ by Trump aides
The employee decided not to press charges, and the service considers the matter closed, officials said.

Such a shit thread! Plenty of witnesses have come forward to explain/tesify that Trump ws INVITED and they were the ones taking photos and videos.


If some asshole attendant forgot to change his tampon...that's not the fault of the relatives OR Trump.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
The families of the fallen INVITED Trump...They were the ones taking photos and videos..,Somne asshole attendant forgot to change his tampon.

So, in your world, did those families post the video, with Trump's voice-over, to the Trump campaign Tik Tok account?

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Such a shit thread! Plenty of witnesses have come forward to explain/tesify that Trump ws INVITED and they were the ones taking photos and videos.


If some asshole attendant forgot to change his tampon...that's not the fault of the relatives OR Trump.

Right. The employees who are charged with the responsibility of maintaining decorum in Arlington National Cemetery need to change their tampon. Typical trump supporter logic.

It doesn't make any difference who invited him. Protocols and procedures don't change.

The famlies of the fallen INVITED Trump. Plenty of eye witness and testimony makes that a FACT.

The famlies took videos and photos to commerate the event...Also plenty of tesstimony to make that a FACT'

Some asshole attendant that forgot to change his tampon tried to interfere....Only hearsay at this point .

"Thumbs up" ? Jeez...who the hell knows what that inferred ( or did not).

Why did Biden look at his watch? Don't knbow that either! Neither does any of internet intellects on this theard .

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

Remember when the left agrued for what seems like weeks that buden didn't look at his watch? Today, they would call it "cheap fakes" to show live, unedited video of buden checking his watch like he was awaiting a late bus

This damnable lie was debunked years ago but MAGAts sure hate to give up on one of their favorite smears merely because it's bullshit.

There were 10 caskets returned to Dover that day; President Biden went up the ramp of the aircraft before unloading started, then stood with his hand over his heart as each of the ten passed by. Only after the last had been loaded onto a transport van and the doors closed did he break the "salute" and look at his watch, at the 39:40 mark of the video:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?...s-killed-afghanistan

That doesn’t make sense when both he and the First Lady also still have their right hands over their hearts (salute?)…

Or is the photo a fake?

Three of the fallen's family members were on NPR.
They have had zero contact from the administration on their questions. Nor they said, have either Biden or Harris ever said their names when talking about Afghanistan debacle.
If having Trump come to an invite, "the same was given to Biden/Harris" gives them some comfort, they should have the right.

I have no problem w Trump being there.
I have a problem w Fed law being violated.
I have a problems w that ceremony being photographed from an ethical standpoint.
I have a problem w a low level civil servant doing their job to enforce the rules and being mistreated by Trump’s campaign.
I have a pro w Trump using the ceremony to campaign on.

I would say that about any who did the above.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
The famlies of the fallen INVITED Trump. Plenty of eye witness and testimony makes that a FACT.

The famlies took videos and photos to commerate the event...Also plenty of tesstimony to make that a FACT'

Some asshole attendant that forgot to change his tampon tried to interfere....Only hearsay at this point .

"Thumbs up" ? Jeez...who the hell knows what that inferred ( or did not).

Why did Biden look at his watch? Don't knbow that either! Neither does any of internet intellects on this theard .

GOD DAMN You’re stupid. If trump took a shit on your front porch, you’d eat it, swear it cures cancer, and ask for seconds.

I wonder??? Jeffi said he doesnt knowingly lie.
Does willful ignorance count?
It took 2 min. to find that Jen Psaki, cnn, usa today, all had to retract their stories Biden only checked his watch after the caskets were loaded.
Check,
Psaki's new book falsely recounts Bidens watch check. by Alex Thompson

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
The famlies of the fallen INVITED Trump. Plenty of eye witness and testimony makes that a FACT.

The famlies took videos and photos to commerate the event...Also plenty of tesstimony to make that a FACT'

Some asshole attendant that forgot to change his tampon tried to interfere....Only hearsay at this point .

"Thumbs up" ? Jeez...who the hell knows what that inferred ( or did not).

Why did Biden look at his watch? Don't knbow that either! Neither does any of internet intellects on this theard .

GOD DAMN You’re stupid. If trump took a shit on your front porch, you’d eat it, swear it cures cancer, and ask for seconds.

Duane my friend,
You are getting a first hand look at some of the deranged minds that exist on this forum. Just think, guys like LDO are supposedly even hunters and shooters. If people like he exist here…it is no wonder the country is in the shape it is. I am sorry you have to endure insults like the above from such idiots but applaud you for coming down here and standing up for the remaining sane folks of this country.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This damnable lie was debunked years ago but MAGAts sure hate to give up on one of their favorite smears merely because it's bullshit.

There were 10 caskets returned to Dover that day; President Biden went up the ramp of the aircraft before unloading started, then stood with his hand over his heart as each of the ten passed by. Only after the last had been loaded onto a transport van and the doors closed did he break the "salute" and look at his watch, at the 39:40 mark of the video:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?...s-killed-afghanistan

Nope, it happened several times. You are wrong.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have no problem w Trump being there.
I have a problem w Fed law being violated.
I have a problems w that ceremony being photographed from an ethical standpoint.
I have a problem w a low level civil servant doing their job to enforce the rules and being mistreated by Trump’s campaign.
I have a pro w Trump using the ceremony to campaign on.

I would say that about any who did the above.

Was this a problem for you then too?

It must be exhausting being a Trump supporter. You spend all your time like the little Dutch boy trying to stick your fingers in all the holes in the dike the idiot poked himself.

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Originally posted by 300shooter:
Why do the military haters (ie. maga nuts) forget that it was Trump who signed the peace treaty with the Taliban and got nothing in return but more dead Americans?

Why do the idiot lefties insist that goofy Joe and kamalala were not the architects of the pull,out of Afghanistan?????

Lets see in Biden's first 100 days he reversed all of president Trump's plans and programs....EXCEPT the pull out of Afghanistan..... Yep,Trump wanted us out but goofy joe orchestrated
The actual pullot plans and kamalala "was the last person in the room" when the plan was formulated!

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
[QUOTE]

Why do you leftards excuse Kamala and goofy biden for the disastrous pull out plans that killed 13 young americans???!!

Between just me and you? I don't think anybody does. I don't think there's any excuse and I don't think anyone really absolves Biden and co. Scott, it think,they, the leftists do excuse goofy joe and kamallaala. Either that or they are so dishonest that they have absolutely no credibility

Isn't the point really why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co more popular? Why isn't the candidate opposing Biden and co clearly superior and winning? Too many people have been indoctrinated into believing that democrats care about them and the men and their dishonest reporting is coloring Kamala to be something she isnt

How long are you and I and Lane going to wait? How long before we three and others abandon Trump, the GOP and build a political movement that our fellow Americans can rally behind in the majority?

I really truly wish that that was actually a viable option, I'm sure Doc does too. But in my mind anyway, our country is in too precarious a position to NOT vote for the lesser of two goobers. Neither one of us voted for Trump in the primary, but we are where we are and I'm not gonna sit by and allow a person that intentionally plans on weakening our country run unopposed

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

Remember when the left agrued for what seems like weeks that buden didn't look at his watch? Today, they would call it "cheap fakes" to show live, unedited video of buden checking his watch like he was awaiting a late bus

3:00 time for Wapner......

At least the Rain man could count cards.....goofy joe can't even count his fingers....

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Originally posted by ledvm:
John McCain once filmed political ad at Arlington

In this era of flexible morals, do two wrongs now make a right?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
John McCain once filmed political ad at Arlington

But officer, that other guy was speeding too.

I need to locate a good set of the rules of logical fallacies, so that he doesn't stay confused.

This is an issue that does not make one iota of difference to me. Not really arguing a side. But some of the detractors here put high value on precedent.

And, Trump haters usually love McCain. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Merely enjoying pointing out some hypocrisy…after all John can do no wrong.

It is not illegal to take photos. For some applications pre approval is needed. I have not heard if Trumps staff had permission or not. A senior Defense Dept official told USA today there was a minor altercation with no charges filed.
There was no need to be rude to the lady trying to do her job.
There is suppose to be no using photos for political reasons. That it still happens, doesnt make it right.
How much to blame Trump himself, or his staff for being turd heads is up to the individual to decide.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ledvm:
This is an issue that does not make one iota of difference to me. Not really arguing a side. But some of the detractors here put high value on precedent.

And, Trump haters usually love McCain. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Merely enjoying pointing out some hypocrisy…after all John can do no wrong. [/QUOTE

I put a high value on caselaw.

I do not like that McCain filmed at Arlington as you have made us aware. That is also bad form.
There is a distinction than taking photos during a service for campaign gun powder if we want to talk about precedent.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have no problem w Trump being there.
I have a problem w Fed law being violated.
I have a problems w that ceremony being photographed from an ethical standpoint.
I have a problem w a low level civil servant doing their job to enforce the rules and being mistreated by Trump’s campaign.
I have a pro w Trump using the ceremony to campaign on.

I would say that about any who did the above.

Was this a problem for you then too?

In a word yes.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
The famlies of the fallen INVITED Trump. Plenty of eye witness and testimony makes that a FACT.

The famlies took videos and photos to commerate the event...Also plenty of tesstimony to make that a FACT'

Some asshole attendant that forgot to change his tampon tried to interfere....Only hearsay at this point .

"Thumbs up" ? Jeez...who the hell knows what that inferred ( or did not).

Why did Biden look at his watch? Don't knbow that either! Neither does any of internet intellects on this theard .

Well, here's what the United States Army says happened. Do they need to change their tampon too you knucklehead?

"Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds," the statement said. "An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.”