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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Always the victim


https://youtube.com/shorts/r4h...?si=KWan0oI5xpqu7y9e

Trump claims Arlington cemetery incident was a 'setup'

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Reports saying he was NOT invited.

He invited himself for a photo op!

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
While I think a lot of the outrage is artificial, I also think the employee should have pressed charges and Trump and his team should have been charged. I'll admit to a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the story and saw it as another "lefties losing it" situation. The more I hear about it, the less I believe this.
By the way, my parents served, I served, my daughter served, and I feel humbled when I have walked through Arlington. I do think proper respect should be shown. However, to politicize the alleged incident, without following through with charges, is almost as bad.
This is just another example of why this election cycle is so bad. Neither candidate is worth a damn. Regards, Bill

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Bitch set me up!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm surprised that he didn't use a large Bible and hug the flag as a photo-op prompts.

I figure he's waiting for the tailors to finish his superman suit and cape.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Senator Cotton

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Senator Cotton

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Senator Cotton

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...441c2bb4a7fd0&ei=171

Tom Cotton’s Staggering, Shameful Hypocrisy Over Trump’s Arlington Debacle
Opinion by Michael Daly • 20h • 5 min read

In his 2019 memoir, Sacred Duty: A Soldier’s Tour of Arlington National Cemetery, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) recounts the 16 months, beginning in early 2007, he spent as an Army officer assigned to The Old Guard, the fabled unit that oversees a grassy expanse made holy by American heroes.

During this time, Cotton periodically filled in for his commanding officer and personally supervised several internments in Arlington National Cemetery’s Section 60, where the dead from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are buried.

“I understand why some people call this bucolic patch of land the saddest acre in America, but I prefer to think of Section 60 as the noblest acre in America,” he writes in Sacred Duty. “The nobility of Section 60 runs deep in the soil of Arlington and in the soul of our nation.”
“Over the years, I have noticed something about Arlington. Although a sign welcomes visitors to ‘our nation’s most sacred shrine,’ no rules are posted. Yet visitors somehow understand a proper code of conduct,” Cotton continues. “Arlington elicits instinctive reverence from citizen and soldier alike because this land is more than a cemetery... Arlington truly is sacred ground for our nation.”

One recent exception to this decorum came during former President Donald Trump’s visit to Arlington this week for a wreath-laying ceremony marking the third anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 American service members at Kabul airport amid the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2021.

The dead included Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, who is buried in Section 60. Trump accompanied Hoover’s parents at the ceremony.

”I gave my permission,” Hoover’s mother, Kelly Barnett, later told NBC News. “My son was murdered under the Biden-Harris administration.”

Gold Star parents are free to say whatever they want in such circumstances. But such hard-won exemptions do not apply to others, including Trump, who was accompanied by an entourage that included a photographer. (In a graveside photo, Trump was joined by Hoover’s parents in giving a thumb’s up—but he was ultimately honoring only himself, as always.)

The Army had anticipated that this might be one of those rare instances where visitors needed to be explicitly informed of the proper code of conduct. Trump’s campaign had been told in advance that electioneering and other partisan political activity at Arlington was against federal law.

That law did not change because a Gold Star mother had invited Trump.

A cemetery official correctly surmised that the Trump crew intended to film scenes for political purposes. She moved to intervene and was “abruptly pushed aside,” the Army’s public affairs office said in a statement released Thursday. “Consistent with the decorum expected at [Arlington National Cemetery], this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.”

A Trump spokesman crassly proposed that the official was “suffering a mental health episode.” Trump himself pleaded ignorance—even after the cemetery footage appeared on social media with his narration.

“I don’t know what the rules and regulations are,” he told NBC. “I really don’t know anything about it… All I do is I stood there and I said, ‘If you’d like to have a picture, we can have a picture.’”

He later outdid himself, claiming during a political rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, on Friday that “I don’t need publicity,” and raising the possibility that “this was a setup by the people in the administration.”

Imagine how young Lt. Cotton of The Old Guard—and a Harvard Law School graduate—would have responded to people acting as if the law did not apply to them in a place where almost everybody seemed to understand the rules without having to be told.

“Old Guard soldiers follow these rules scrupulously; I cannot recall a single infraction during all my time in the cemetery,” Cotton writes in his book.

But in response to a former commander in chief violating the law along with simple decency in the most sacred section of holy ground, Cotton tweeted his approval: “Good for President Trump to honor the service and sacrifice of those fallen heroes and their loved ones.”

“The scandal is not that Pres. Trump honored 13 brave Americans killed in Afghanistan,” he added. “The scandal is Biden and Kamala sent those heroes into a needlessly dangerous situation.”

In truth, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris could have done more to comfort the families. Biden in particular could have taken more responsibility for the deaths, even though the bombing occurred during a withdrawal whose timing had been set by Trump before he left office. That said, it should be noted that an extensive Army investigation found that nobody could likely have prevented an attack by a fanatic wearing a 25-pound suicide vest.

But wherever the ultimate responsibility lies, Cotton is either deceiving himself or seeking to deceive everybody else when it comes to Trump’s intent on the ground The Old Guard takes such pride in protecting.

Another Gold Star parent with a son in Section 60 told The Daily Beast this week that he sees Trump as a manipulator with an ever-hungry ego.

“He manipulates and he lies and he misguides,” Khizr Khan, father of fallen Army Capt. Humayun Khan, said.

It’s not the first time Cotton has debased himself to cover for Trump. He also defended the indefensible two weeks ago, saying Trump had been “taken out of context” when he told a golf club gathering that the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom he presented to GOP megadonor Dr. Miriam Adelson was “much better” than the Medal of Honor.

“Everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they’re soldiers,” Trump said. “They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they are dead.”

In Sacred Duty, Cotton writes movingly about stopping beside the grave of a Medal of Honor recipient in Arlington.

“I paused, came to attention, and saluted,” he writes. “The Medal of Honor is the nation’s highest decoration for battlefield valor. By military custom, all soldiers salute Medal of Honor recipients irrespective of their rank, in life and in death.”

If Cotton ever stops there again, he will do so as a Trump accomplice, a blind defender of somebody who has disrespected both the nation’s highest honor—and its most hallowed ground.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Senator Cotton

. . . just add Cotton to the long list of GOP'ers who are willing to debase themselves in Trump's name. No wonder that Trump's transition team is filled with kooks, weirdos and freaks . . . just a glimpse at what his cabinet and administration would look like . . . no one in their right mind wants anything to do with the man (term used solely in a biological sense).

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Originally posted by MJines:
No wonder that Trump's transition team is filled with kooks, weirdos and freaks . . . just a glimpse at what his cabinet and administration would look like . . . n

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
The Cotton/Trump trashing article wouldn’t withstand a critical inquiry by ten-year-old’s non-TDS objective inquiry.
The writer begins and ends the article with subjective assumptions of facts and, perhaps worse, omissions of what transpired that aren’t convenient to his agenda. The article is not reporting. It is just a sad reminder that when it comes to DJT, most of the press (and TDS sufferers here) religiously believe NOTHING Trump does (or his supporters do or maybe more telling
did do…) is worthy of any objective inquiry.

BTW, I’ve always had an uncomfortable feeling about any political exploitation of dead comrades. They, of course, deserve our honor and remembrances. I guess there is an inevitable blurring of the political assets gained vice the National need for an elected leader’s public recognition of sacrifice. Funny, isn’t it. The author used the dead service man to make a political point, just like he accused Cotton and Trump of doing.

Trump had a granted exception to the standard camera rule for a private photographer. Laying of wreaths has always been a press opportunity. Be it Kamala Harris or Tim Walz or (God forbid) Donald Trump, did the author even inquire (or reveal) the history of regular photo ops during Cotton’s tenure at the cemetery? Of course not. It doesn’t fit the author’s (or TDS sufferers here) agenda.

Approximately one-half of the voters in the US see through the sophomoric, syncopathic and sheep directed spewing. I’ll bet that many of those 1/2 wouldn’t be so ardent for Trump if complaints against the guy weren’t driven by “the ends justify the means” mentality and reporting on Trump (and Kamala) was more objectively sound.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...441c2bb4a7fd0&ei=171

Tom Cotton’s Staggering, Shameful Hypocrisy Over Trump’s Arlington Debacle Opinion by Michael Daly • 20h • 5 min read

In his 2019 memoir, Sacred Duty: A Soldier’s Tour of Arlington National Cemetery, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) recounts the 16 months, beginning in early 2007, he spent as an Army officer assigned to The Old Guard, the fabled unit that oversees a grassy expanse made holy by American heroes.

During this time, Cotton periodically filled in for his commanding officer and personally supervised several internments in Arlington National Cemetery’s Section 60, where the dead from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are buried.

“I understand why some people call this bucolic patch of land the saddest acre in America, but I prefer to think of Section 60 as the noblest acre in America,” he writes in Sacred Duty. “The nobility of Section 60 runs deep in the soil of Arlington and in the soul of our nation.” “Over the years, I have noticed something about Arlington. Although a sign welcomes visitors to ‘our nation’s most sacred shrine,’ no rules are posted. Yet visitors somehow understand a proper code of conduct,” Cotton continues. “Arlington elicits instinctive reverence from citizen and soldier alike because this land is more than a cemetery... Arlington truly is sacred ground for our nation.”

One recent exception to this decorum came during former President Donald Trump’s visit to Arlington this week for a wreath-laying ceremony marking the third anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 American service members at Kabul airport amid the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2021.

The dead included Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, who is buried in Section 60. Trump accompanied Hoover’s parents at the ceremony.

”I gave my permission,” Hoover’s mother, Kelly Barnett, later told NBC News. “My son was murdered under the Biden-Harris administration.”

Gold Star parents are free to say whatever they want in such circumstances. But such hard-won exemptions do not apply to others, including Trump, who was accompanied by an entourage that included a photographer. (In a graveside photo, Trump was joined by Hoover’s parents in giving a thumb’s up—but he was ultimately honoring only himself, as always.)

The Army had anticipated that this might be one of those rare instances where visitors needed to be explicitly informed of the proper code of conduct. Trump’s campaign had been told in advance that electioneering and other partisan political activity at Arlington was against federal law.

That law did not change because a Gold Star mother had invited Trump.

A cemetery official correctly surmised that the Trump crew intended to film scenes for political purposes. She moved to intervene and was “abruptly pushed aside,” the Army’s public affairs office said in a statement released Thursday. “Consistent with the decorum expected at [Arlington National Cemetery], this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.”

A Trump spokesman crassly proposed that the official was “suffering a mental health episode.” Trump himself pleaded ignorance—even after the cemetery footage appeared on social media with his narration.

“I don’t know what the rules and regulations are,” he told NBC. “I really don’t know anything about it… All I do is I stood there and I said, ‘If you’d like to have a picture, we can have a picture.’” He later outdid himself, claiming during a political rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, on Friday that “I don’t need publicity,” and raising the possibility that “this was a setup by the people in the administration.” (Trump actually said those quoted weasel words as usual)

Imagine how young Lt. Cotton of The Old Guard—and a Harvard Law School graduate — would have responded to people acting as if the law did not apply to them in a place where almost everybody seemed to understand the rules without having to be told.

“Old Guard soldiers follow these rules scrupulously; I cannot recall a single infraction during all my time in the cemetery,” Cotton writes in his book.

But in response to a former commander in chief violating the law along with simple decency in the most sacred section of holy ground, Cotton tweeted his approval: “Good for President Trump to honor the service and sacrifice of those fallen heroes and their loved ones.”

“The scandal is not that Pres. Trump honored 13 brave Americans killed in Afghanistan,” he added. “The scandal is Biden and Kamala sent those heroes into a needlessly dangerous situation.”

In truth, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris could have done more to comfort the families. Biden in particular could have taken more responsibility for the deaths, even though the bombing occurred during a withdrawal whose timing had been set by Trump before he left office. That said, it should be noted that an extensive Army investigation found that nobody could likely have prevented an attack by a fanatic wearing a 25-pound suicide vest.

But wherever the ultimate responsibility lies, Cotton is either deceiving himself or seeking to deceive everybody else when it comes to Trump’s intent on the ground The Old Guard takes such pride in protecting.

Another Gold Star parent with a son in Section 60 told The Daily Beast this week that he sees Trump as a manipulator with an ever-hungry ego.

“He manipulates and he lies and he misguides,” Khizr Khan, father of fallen Army Capt. Humayun Khan, said.

It’s not the first time Cotton has debased himself to cover for Trump. He also defended the indefensible two weeks ago, saying Trump had been “taken out of context” when he told a golf club gathering that the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom he presented to GOP megadonor Dr. Miriam Adelson was “much better” than the Medal of Honor.

“Everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they’re soldiers,” Trump said. “They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they are dead.” (it's a fact that Trump said the parts quoted, not that what he said are facts)

In Sacred Duty, Cotton writes movingly about stopping beside the grave of a Medal of Honor recipient in Arlington.

“I paused, came to attention, and saluted,” he writes. “The Medal of Honor is the nation’s highest decoration for battlefield valor. By military custom, all soldiers salute Medal of Honor recipients irrespective of their rank, in life and in death.”

If Cotton ever stops there again, he will do so as a Trump accomplice, a blind defender of somebody who has disrespected both the nation’s highest honor—and its most hallowed ground.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
JudgeG, I've been thinking about how to respond to your post. I could find several article covering the matter that aren't labeled "opinion". But you would just dismiss them.

Instead, I decided to highlight in GREEN the parts of the article that are facts.

I've highlighted the quotes from Cotton in RED . The fact is that he wrote the quoted parts or said them.

I've highlighted in BLUE the parts of the article that are conclusions based on the facts stated.

I've highlighted in BROWN (like shit) the parts that are opinion or lie stated by someone other than Cotton or the author.

Note that I didn't highlight any part of your post as fact. That's because it's all opinion, and unsubstantiated. As I have stated several times, IMO you just simply cannot distinguish between opinion and facts and conclusions stemming from facts. So, in this article I've done it for you. Now, if you want to argue, start with disputing the facts in green and the quoted from Cotton in red .

Also note how much of the article is in green (factual)and how much is in red (Cotton's quotes) , compared to how little of it is in blue (conclusion).

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
The Cotton/Trump trashing article wouldn’t withstand a critical inquiry by ten-year-old’s non-TDS objective inquiry.
The writer begins and ends the article with subjective assumptions of facts and, perhaps worse, omissions of what transpired that aren’t convenient to his agenda. The article is not reporting. It is just a sad reminder that when it comes to DJT, most of the press (and TDS sufferers here) religiously believe NOTHING Trump does (or his supporters do or maybe more telling
did do…) is worthy of any objective inquiry.

BTW, I’ve always had an uncomfortable feeling about any political exploitation of dead comrades. They, of course, deserve our honor and remembrances. I guess there is an inevitable blurring of the political assets gained vice the National need for an elected leader’s public recognition of sacrifice. Funny, isn’t it. The author used the dead service man to make a political point, just like he accused Cotton and Trump of doing.

Trump had a granted exception to the standard camera rule for a private photographer. Laying of wreaths has always been a press opportunity. Be it Kamala Harris or Tim Walz or (God forbid) Donald Trump, did the author even inquire (or reveal) the history of regular photo ops during Cotton’s tenure at the cemetery? Of course not. It doesn’t fit the author’s (or TDS sufferers here) agenda.

Approximately one-half of the voters in the US see through the sophomoric, syncopathic and sheep directed spewing. I’ll bet that many of those 1/2 wouldn’t be so ardent for Trump if complaints against the guy weren’t driven by “the ends justify the means” mentality and reporting on Trump (and Kamala) was more objectively sound.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...441c2bb4a7fd0&ei=171

Tom Cotton’s Staggering, Shameful Hypocrisy Over Trump’s Arlington Debacle Opinion by Michael Daly • 20h • 5 min read

In his 2019 memoir, Sacred Duty: A Soldier’s Tour of Arlington National Cemetery, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) recounts the 16 months, beginning in early 2007, he spent as an Army officer assigned to The Old Guard, the fabled unit that oversees a grassy expanse made holy by American heroes.

During this time, Cotton periodically filled in for his commanding officer and personally supervised several internments in Arlington National Cemetery’s Section 60, where the dead from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are buried.

“I understand why some people call this bucolic patch of land the saddest acre in America, but I prefer to think of Section 60 as the noblest acre in America,” he writes in Sacred Duty. “The nobility of Section 60 runs deep in the soil of Arlington and in the soul of our nation.” “Over the years, I have noticed something about Arlington. Although a sign welcomes visitors to ‘our nation’s most sacred shrine,’ no rules are posted. Yet visitors somehow understand a proper code of conduct,” Cotton continues. “Arlington elicits instinctive reverence from citizen and soldier alike because this land is more than a cemetery... Arlington truly is sacred ground for our nation.”

One recent exception to this decorum came during former President Donald Trump’s visit to Arlington this week for a wreath-laying ceremony marking the third anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 American service members at Kabul airport amid the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2021.

The dead included Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, who is buried in Section 60. Trump accompanied Hoover’s parents at the ceremony.

”I gave my permission,” Hoover’s mother, Kelly Barnett, later told NBC News. “My son was murdered under the Biden-Harris administration.”

Gold Star parents are free to say whatever they want in such circumstances. But such hard-won exemptions do not apply to others, including Trump, who was accompanied by an entourage that included a photographer. (In a graveside photo, Trump was joined by Hoover’s parents in giving a thumb’s up—but he was ultimately honoring only himself, as always.)

The Army had anticipated that this might be one of those rare instances where visitors needed to be explicitly informed of the proper code of conduct. Trump’s campaign had been told in advance that electioneering and other partisan political activity at Arlington was against federal law.

That law did not change because a Gold Star mother had invited Trump.

A cemetery official correctly surmised that the Trump crew intended to film scenes for political purposes. She moved to intervene and was “abruptly pushed aside,” the Army’s public affairs office said in a statement released Thursday. “Consistent with the decorum expected at [Arlington National Cemetery], this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.”

A Trump spokesman crassly proposed that the official was “suffering a mental health episode.” Trump himself pleaded ignorance—even after the cemetery footage appeared on social media with his narration.

“I don’t know what the rules and regulations are,” he told NBC. “I really don’t know anything about it… All I do is I stood there and I said, ‘If you’d like to have a picture, we can have a picture.’” He later outdid himself, claiming during a political rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, on Friday that “I don’t need publicity,” and raising the possibility that “this was a setup by the people in the administration.” (Trump actually said those quoted weasel words as usual)

Imagine how young Lt. Cotton of The Old Guard—and a Harvard Law School graduate — would have responded to people acting as if the law did not apply to them in a place where almost everybody seemed to understand the rules without having to be told.

“Old Guard soldiers follow these rules scrupulously; I cannot recall a single infraction during all my time in the cemetery,” Cotton writes in his book.

But in response to a former commander in chief violating the law along with simple decency in the most sacred section of holy ground, Cotton tweeted his approval: “Good for President Trump to honor the service and sacrifice of those fallen heroes and their loved ones.”

“The scandal is not that Pres. Trump honored 13 brave Americans killed in Afghanistan,” he added. “The scandal is Biden and Kamala sent those heroes into a needlessly dangerous situation.”

In truth, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris could have done more to comfort the families. Biden in particular could have taken more responsibility for the deaths, even though the bombing occurred during a withdrawal whose timing had been set by Trump before he left office. That said, it should be noted that an extensive Army investigation found that nobody could likely have prevented an attack by a fanatic wearing a 25-pound suicide vest.

But wherever the ultimate responsibility lies, Cotton is either deceiving himself or seeking to deceive everybody else when it comes to Trump’s intent on the ground The Old Guard takes such pride in protecting.

Another Gold Star parent with a son in Section 60 told The Daily Beast this week that he sees Trump as a manipulator with an ever-hungry ego.

“He manipulates and he lies and he misguides,” Khizr Khan, father of fallen Army Capt. Humayun Khan, said.

It’s not the first time Cotton has debased himself to cover for Trump. He also defended the indefensible two weeks ago, saying Trump had been “taken out of context” when he told a golf club gathering that the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom he presented to GOP megadonor Dr. Miriam Adelson was “much better” than the Medal of Honor.

“Everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they’re soldiers,” Trump said. “They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they are dead.” (it's a fact that Trump said the parts quoted, not that what he said are facts)

In Sacred Duty, Cotton writes movingly about stopping beside the grave of a Medal of Honor recipient in Arlington.

“I paused, came to attention, and saluted,” he writes. “The Medal of Honor is the nation’s highest decoration for battlefield valor. By military custom, all soldiers salute Medal of Honor recipients irrespective of their rank, in life and in death.”

If Cotton ever stops there again, he will do so as a Trump accomplice, a blind defender of somebody who has disrespected both the nation’s highest honor—and its most hallowed ground.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Amazing, simply amazing. Your TDS is so severe that you can’t tell the difference in facts and agenda driven opinion, much less recognize that the author conveniently left out the tradition of political opportunists (R’s and D’s alike) using Arlington for photo ops. And…. guess what, Trump had permission for a non-pool private photographer. Tell me exactly what the heck the military minions thought would happen to the pictures 2 months before the election. I guess the complaining soldier thought Trump’s campaign had a higher calling than the last ten or so Presidents (or Rotary clubs or honor flights or whomever.


https://obamawhitehouse.archiv...on-national-cemetery


Where’s your outrage? TDS got your tongue?

It took all of 60 seconds to find this on Obama’s page. Just a published photo op of Biden with a breaved family.

Every poster here who has trashed Trump (and Cotton) for the same thing should apologize.

The “journalist “ of course, doesn’t care because truth has nothing to do with his agenda.

If you like Maduro, you’ll really like Harris!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
JudgeG, I've been thinking about how to respond to your post. I could find several article covering the matter that aren't labeled "opinion". But you would just dismiss them.

Instead, I decided to highlight in GREEN the parts of the article that are facts.

I've highlighted the quotes from Cotton in RED . The fact is that he wrote the quoted parts or said them.

I've highlighted in BLUE the parts of the article that are conclusions based on the facts stated.

I've highlighted in BROWN (like shit) the parts that are opinion or lie stated by someone other than Cotton or the author.

Note that I didn't highlight any part of your post as fact. That's because it's all opinion, and unsubstantiated. As I have stated several times, IMO you just simply cannot distinguish between opinion and facts and conclusions stemming from facts. So, in this article I've done it for you. Now, if you want to argue, start with disputing the facts in green and the quoted from Cotton in red .

Also note how much of the article is in green (factual)and how much is in red (Cotton's quotes) , compared to how little of it is in blue (conclusion).

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The Cotton/Trump trashing article wouldn’t withstand a critical inquiry by ten-year-old’s non-TDS objective inquiry.
The writer begins and ends the article with subjective assumptions of facts and, perhaps worse, omissions of what transpired that aren’t convenient to his agenda. The article is not reporting. It is just a sad reminder that when it comes to DJT, most of the press (and TDS sufferers here) religiously believe NOTHING Trump does (or his supporters do or maybe more telling
did do…) is worthy of any objective inquiry.

BTW, I’ve always had an uncomfortable feeling about any political exploitation of dead comrades. They, of course, deserve our honor and remembrances. I guess there is an inevitable blurring of the political assets gained vice the National need for an elected leader’s public recognition of sacrifice. Funny, isn’t it. The author used the dead service man to make a political point, just like he accused Cotton and Trump of doing.

Trump had a granted exception to the standard camera rule for a private photographer. Laying of wreaths has always been a press opportunity. Be it Kamala Harris or Tim Walz or (God forbid) Donald Trump, did the author even inquire (or reveal) the history of regular photo ops during Cotton’s tenure at the cemetery? Of course not. It doesn’t fit the author’s (or TDS sufferers here) agenda.

Approximately one-half of the voters in the US see through the sophomoric, syncopathic and sheep directed spewing. I’ll bet that many of those 1/2 wouldn’t be so ardent for Trump if complaints against the guy weren’t driven by “the ends justify the means” mentality and reporting on Trump (and Kamala) was more objectively sound.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...441c2bb4a7fd0&ei=171

Tom Cotton’s Staggering, Shameful Hypocrisy Over Trump’s Arlington Debacle Opinion by Michael Daly • 20h • 5 min read

In his 2019 memoir, Sacred Duty: A Soldier’s Tour of Arlington National Cemetery, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) recounts the 16 months, beginning in early 2007, he spent as an Army officer assigned to The Old Guard, the fabled unit that oversees a grassy expanse made holy by American heroes.

During this time, Cotton periodically filled in for his commanding officer and personally supervised several internments in Arlington National Cemetery’s Section 60, where the dead from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are buried.

“I understand why some people call this bucolic patch of land the saddest acre in America, but I prefer to think of Section 60 as the noblest acre in America,” he writes in Sacred Duty. “The nobility of Section 60 runs deep in the soil of Arlington and in the soul of our nation.” “Over the years, I have noticed something about Arlington. Although a sign welcomes visitors to ‘our nation’s most sacred shrine,’ no rules are posted. Yet visitors somehow understand a proper code of conduct,” Cotton continues. “Arlington elicits instinctive reverence from citizen and soldier alike because this land is more than a cemetery... Arlington truly is sacred ground for our nation.”

One recent exception to this decorum came during former President Donald Trump’s visit to Arlington this week for a wreath-laying ceremony marking the third anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 American service members at Kabul airport amid the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2021.

The dead included Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, who is buried in Section 60. Trump accompanied Hoover’s parents at the ceremony.

”I gave my permission,” Hoover’s mother, Kelly Barnett, later told NBC News. “My son was murdered under the Biden-Harris administration.”

Gold Star parents are free to say whatever they want in such circumstances. But such hard-won exemptions do not apply to others, including Trump, who was accompanied by an entourage that included a photographer. (In a graveside photo, Trump was joined by Hoover’s parents in giving a thumb’s up—but he was ultimately honoring only himself, as always.)

The Army had anticipated that this might be one of those rare instances where visitors needed to be explicitly informed of the proper code of conduct. Trump’s campaign had been told in advance that electioneering and other partisan political activity at Arlington was against federal law.

That law did not change because a Gold Star mother had invited Trump.

A cemetery official correctly surmised that the Trump crew intended to film scenes for political purposes. She moved to intervene and was “abruptly pushed aside,” the Army’s public affairs office said in a statement released Thursday. “Consistent with the decorum expected at [Arlington National Cemetery], this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.”

A Trump spokesman crassly proposed that the official was “suffering a mental health episode.” Trump himself pleaded ignorance—even after the cemetery footage appeared on social media with his narration.

“I don’t know what the rules and regulations are,” he told NBC. “I really don’t know anything about it… All I do is I stood there and I said, ‘If you’d like to have a picture, we can have a picture.’” He later outdid himself, claiming during a political rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, on Friday that “I don’t need publicity,” and raising the possibility that “this was a setup by the people in the administration.” (Trump actually said those quoted weasel words as usual)

Imagine how young Lt. Cotton of The Old Guard—and a Harvard Law School graduate — would have responded to people acting as if the law did not apply to them in a place where almost everybody seemed to understand the rules without having to be told.

“Old Guard soldiers follow these rules scrupulously; I cannot recall a single infraction during all my time in the cemetery,” Cotton writes in his book.

But in response to a former commander in chief violating the law along with simple decency in the most sacred section of holy ground, Cotton tweeted his approval: “Good for President Trump to honor the service and sacrifice of those fallen heroes and their loved ones.”

“The scandal is not that Pres. Trump honored 13 brave Americans killed in Afghanistan,” he added. “The scandal is Biden and Kamala sent those heroes into a needlessly dangerous situation.”

In truth, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris could have done more to comfort the families. Biden in particular could have taken more responsibility for the deaths, even though the bombing occurred during a withdrawal whose timing had been set by Trump before he left office. That said, it should be noted that an extensive Army investigation found that nobody could likely have prevented an attack by a fanatic wearing a 25-pound suicide vest.

But wherever the ultimate responsibility lies, Cotton is either deceiving himself or seeking to deceive everybody else when it comes to Trump’s intent on the ground The Old Guard takes such pride in protecting.

Another Gold Star parent with a son in Section 60 told The Daily Beast this week that he sees Trump as a manipulator with an ever-hungry ego.

“He manipulates and he lies and he misguides,” Khizr Khan, father of fallen Army Capt. Humayun Khan, said.

It’s not the first time Cotton has debased himself to cover for Trump. He also defended the indefensible two weeks ago, saying Trump had been “taken out of context” when he told a golf club gathering that the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom he presented to GOP megadonor Dr. Miriam Adelson was “much better” than the Medal of Honor.

“Everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they’re soldiers,” Trump said. “They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they are dead.” (it's a fact that Trump said the parts quoted, not that what he said are facts)

In Sacred Duty, Cotton writes movingly about stopping beside the grave of a Medal of Honor recipient in Arlington.

“I paused, came to attention, and saluted,” he writes. “The Medal of Honor is the nation’s highest decoration for battlefield valor. By military custom, all soldiers salute Medal of Honor recipients irrespective of their rank, in life and in death.”

If Cotton ever stops there again, he will do so as a Trump accomplice, a blind defender of somebody who has disrespected both the nation’s highest honor—and its most hallowed ground.

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Originally posted by MJines:
TDS . . . becoming a bit threadbare as a response to any and every criticism of Trump. Sort of an intellectual crutch seems to me.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
You got that right. Absolutely no political purpose in Biden’s photo op. If you believe that, you’ve proven the premise.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Trump deserves criticism for a plethora of stuff. It’s just the intentionally misleading and vicious stuff like this author’s article that seemingly relatively intelligent folks accept hook, line and sinker (without taking 60 seconds to see that politicians have so acted for eternity) that makes the system endangered. How else do you explain a formerly rational poster damning Trump and Cotton for what Joe did with impunity.

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Originally posted by MJines:
TDS . . . becoming a bit threadbare as a response to any and every criticism of Trump. Sort of an intellectual crutch seems to me.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
You got that right. Absolutely no political purpose in Biden’s photo op. If you believe that, you’ve proven the premise.

What election do you imagine was underway on November 11th of 2010?

The sitting Vice President consoling a relative of a dead service member is the goddamned definition of an "official function".

You really have to be pig-ignorant to equate that with a convicted felon who has demonstrated his abject scorn for veterans and our war dead for years (remember how he addressed McCain's POW experience, his "suckers and losers" remark?) making a campaign video standing on the graves of our recent dead.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

It had begun.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
You got that right. Absolutely no political purpose in Biden’s photo op. If you believe that, you’ve proven the premise.

What election do you imagine was underway on November 11th of 2010?

The sitting Vice President consoling a relative of a dead service member is the goddamned definition of an "official function".

You really have to be pig-ignorant to equate that with a convicted felon who has demonstrated his abject scorn for veterans and our war dead for years (remember how he addressed McCain's POW experience, his "suckers and losers" remark?) making a campaign video standing on the graves of our recent dead.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I can’t believe the inordinate amount of time people waste on these lengthy posts. Why? Neither side will ever convince the other side to change their mind. Life’s too short to waste so much time on lost causes…..

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
JudgeG, I've been thinking about how to respond to your post. I could find several article covering the matter that aren't labeled "opinion". But you would just dismiss them.

Instead, I decided to highlight in GREEN the parts of the article that are facts.

I've highlighted the quotes from Cotton in RED . The fact is that he wrote the quoted parts or said them.

I've highlighted in BLUE the parts of the article that are conclusions based on the facts stated.

I've highlighted in BROWN (like shit) the parts that are opinion or lie stated by someone other than Cotton or the author.

Note that I didn't highlight any part of your post as fact. That's because it's all opinion, and unsubstantiated. As I have stated several times, IMO you just simply cannot distinguish between opinion and facts and conclusions stemming from facts. So, in this article I've done it for you. Now, if you want to argue, start with disputing the facts in green and the quoted from Cotton in red .

Also note how much of the article is in green (factual)and how much is in red (Cotton's quotes) , compared to how little of it is in blue (conclusion).

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
The Cotton/Trump trashing article wouldn’t withstand a critical inquiry by ten-year-old’s non-TDS objective inquiry.
The writer begins and ends the article with subjective assumptions of facts and, perhaps worse, omissions of what transpired that aren’t convenient to his agenda. The article is not reporting. It is just a sad reminder that when it comes to DJT, most of the press (and TDS sufferers here) religiously believe NOTHING Trump does (or his supporters do or maybe more telling
did do…) is worthy of any objective inquiry.

BTW, I’ve always had an uncomfortable feeling about any political exploitation of dead comrades. They, of course, deserve our honor and remembrances. I guess there is an inevitable blurring of the political assets gained vice the National need for an elected leader’s public recognition of sacrifice. Funny, isn’t it. The author used the dead service man to make a political point, just like he accused Cotton and Trump of doing.

Trump had a granted exception to the standard camera rule for a private photographer. Laying of wreaths has always been a press opportunity. Be it Kamala Harris or Tim Walz or (God forbid) Donald Trump, did the author even inquire (or reveal) the history of regular photo ops during Cotton’s tenure at the cemetery? Of course not. It doesn’t fit the author’s (or TDS sufferers here) agenda.

Approximately one-half of the voters in the US see through the sophomoric, syncopathic and sheep directed spewing. I’ll bet that many of those 1/2 wouldn’t be so ardent for Trump if complaints against the guy weren’t driven by “the ends justify the means” mentality and reporting on Trump (and Kamala) was more objectively sound.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...441c2bb4a7fd0&ei=171

Tom Cotton’s Staggering, Shameful Hypocrisy Over Trump’s Arlington Debacle Opinion by Michael Daly • 20h • 5 min read

In his 2019 memoir, Sacred Duty: A Soldier’s Tour of Arlington National Cemetery, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) recounts the 16 months, beginning in early 2007, he spent as an Army officer assigned to The Old Guard, the fabled unit that oversees a grassy expanse made holy by American heroes.

During this time, Cotton periodically filled in for his commanding officer and personally supervised several internments in Arlington National Cemetery’s Section 60, where the dead from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are buried.

“I understand why some people call this bucolic patch of land the saddest acre in America, but I prefer to think of Section 60 as the noblest acre in America,” he writes in Sacred Duty. “The nobility of Section 60 runs deep in the soil of Arlington and in the soul of our nation.” “Over the years, I have noticed something about Arlington. Although a sign welcomes visitors to ‘our nation’s most sacred shrine,’ no rules are posted. Yet visitors somehow understand a proper code of conduct,” Cotton continues. “Arlington elicits instinctive reverence from citizen and soldier alike because this land is more than a cemetery... Arlington truly is sacred ground for our nation.”

One recent exception to this decorum came during former President Donald Trump’s visit to Arlington this week for a wreath-laying ceremony marking the third anniversary of a suicide bombing that killed 13 American service members at Kabul airport amid the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2021.

The dead included Marine Staff Sgt. Taylor Hoover, who is buried in Section 60. Trump accompanied Hoover’s parents at the ceremony.

”I gave my permission,” Hoover’s mother, Kelly Barnett, later told NBC News. “My son was murdered under the Biden-Harris administration.”

Gold Star parents are free to say whatever they want in such circumstances. But such hard-won exemptions do not apply to others, including Trump, who was accompanied by an entourage that included a photographer. (In a graveside photo, Trump was joined by Hoover’s parents in giving a thumb’s up—but he was ultimately honoring only himself, as always.)

The Army had anticipated that this might be one of those rare instances where visitors needed to be explicitly informed of the proper code of conduct. Trump’s campaign had been told in advance that electioneering and other partisan political activity at Arlington was against federal law.

That law did not change because a Gold Star mother had invited Trump.

A cemetery official correctly surmised that the Trump crew intended to film scenes for political purposes. She moved to intervene and was “abruptly pushed aside,” the Army’s public affairs office said in a statement released Thursday. “Consistent with the decorum expected at [Arlington National Cemetery], this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.”

A Trump spokesman crassly proposed that the official was “suffering a mental health episode.” Trump himself pleaded ignorance—even after the cemetery footage appeared on social media with his narration.

“I don’t know what the rules and regulations are,” he told NBC. “I really don’t know anything about it… All I do is I stood there and I said, ‘If you’d like to have a picture, we can have a picture.’” He later outdid himself, claiming during a political rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, on Friday that “I don’t need publicity,” and raising the possibility that “this was a setup by the people in the administration.” (Trump actually said those quoted weasel words as usual)

Imagine how young Lt. Cotton of The Old Guard—and a Harvard Law School graduate — would have responded to people acting as if the law did not apply to them in a place where almost everybody seemed to understand the rules without having to be told.

“Old Guard soldiers follow these rules scrupulously; I cannot recall a single infraction during all my time in the cemetery,” Cotton writes in his book.

But in response to a former commander in chief violating the law along with simple decency in the most sacred section of holy ground, Cotton tweeted his approval: “Good for President Trump to honor the service and sacrifice of those fallen heroes and their loved ones.”

“The scandal is not that Pres. Trump honored 13 brave Americans killed in Afghanistan,” he added. “The scandal is Biden and Kamala sent those heroes into a needlessly dangerous situation.”

In truth, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris could have done more to comfort the families. Biden in particular could have taken more responsibility for the deaths, even though the bombing occurred during a withdrawal whose timing had been set by Trump before he left office. That said, it should be noted that an extensive Army investigation found that nobody could likely have prevented an attack by a fanatic wearing a 25-pound suicide vest.

But wherever the ultimate responsibility lies, Cotton is either deceiving himself or seeking to deceive everybody else when it comes to Trump’s intent on the ground The Old Guard takes such pride in protecting.

Another Gold Star parent with a son in Section 60 told The Daily Beast this week that he sees Trump as a manipulator with an ever-hungry ego.

“He manipulates and he lies and he misguides,” Khizr Khan, father of fallen Army Capt. Humayun Khan, said.

It’s not the first time Cotton has debased himself to cover for Trump. He also defended the indefensible two weeks ago, saying Trump had been “taken out of context” when he told a golf club gathering that the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom he presented to GOP megadonor Dr. Miriam Adelson was “much better” than the Medal of Honor.

“Everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they’re soldiers,” Trump said. “They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they are dead.” (it's a fact that Trump said the parts quoted, not that what he said are facts)

In Sacred Duty, Cotton writes movingly about stopping beside the grave of a Medal of Honor recipient in Arlington.

“I paused, came to attention, and saluted,” he writes. “The Medal of Honor is the nation’s highest decoration for battlefield valor. By military custom, all soldiers salute Medal of Honor recipients irrespective of their rank, in life and in death.”

If Cotton ever stops there again, he will do so as a Trump accomplice, a blind defender of somebody who has disrespected both the nation’s highest honor—and its most hallowed ground.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

After all, ME believed Palin said the dumb stuff SNL actors said as things Palin said.. didn't change his outlook an iota, but know he says he is even more enlightened.. but didn't change a thing

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Originally posted by 300shooter:
Why do the military haters (ie. maga nuts) forget that it was Trump who signed the peace treaty with the Taliban and got nothing in return but more dead Americans?

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Approximately one-half of the voters in the US see through the sophomoric, syncopathic and sheep directed spewing. I’ll bet that many of those 1/2 wouldn’t be so ardent for Trump if complaints against the guy weren’t driven by “the ends justify the means” mentality and reporting on Trump (and Kamala) was more objectively sound.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Why bother?

Really, why bother?

I'm listening. Anyone?

My thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.