I must admit that over the years I have looked forward to Presidential debates. The opportunity to see candidates respond live to questions can be quite illuminating. Not this year. This year it seems to me that all the Presidential debates will do is highlight for people at home and abroad just how pitiful the political situation is in the US at the moment. We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at. Not to mention one is a convicted felon, well-established philanderer and noted liar. The other seems to think a leader is something you use to fish with. Seems to me no matter who wins the debates, America loses. Americans will come away from the debates more polarized and disgusted than ever. Folks around the world will come away from the debates scratching their heads and snickering about how our country could devolve to this. I am reminded of the phrase, sometimes it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. We seem to be intent on confirming it.

I expect President Biden to prove there's one candidate in this race who actually understands the issues and has actual policy proposals to deal with them, then be crucified for a couple of verbal gaffes, while Trump will highlight the dangers of electric boats in shark-infested waters.

The cringe factor is too great. I won't watch.

It is embarrassing to watch ANY politician talk!

You KNOW, with absolute certainty , that he is lying!

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
The cringe factor is too great. I won't watch.

Falls into the class of things we watch in horrified fascination, like baby birds falling from a nest into an anthill.

Edward Abbey wrote of buzzards drinking eyeball fluid first...

I'm really disappointed in you guys. The only post so far that isn't utterly pessimistic was made by jeff5, and he made a pessimistic prediction.

What's the matter with you guys - can't stand a good dose of cringe?

I read that Biden has been preparing with his team in Camp David.

I also read that Trump hates to be coached in preparation for debate. He would rather wing it.

Also, as I remember CNN is host, and set some rules. No live audience, for one thing, and shutting off the mic when out of turn to speak. I presume the camera will shift too. So Trump won't get two of his favorite things, audience feedback and the ability to interrupt, blurt out insults, etc.

I think Biden will do great.

Another thing - SCOTUS might make a ruling on Trump's immunity thing before the debate, which could make a big difference.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I'm really disappointed in you guys. The only post so far that isn't utterly pessimistic was made by jeff5, and he made a pessimistic prediction.

What's the matter with you guys - can't stand a good dose of cringe?

I read that Biden has been preparing with his team in Camp David.

I also read that Trump hates to be coached in preparation for debate. He would rather wing it.

Also, as I remember CNN is host, and set some rules. No live audience, for one thing, and shutting off the mic when out of turn to speak. I presume the camera will shift too. So Trump won't get two of his favorite things, audience feedback and the ability to interrupt, blurt out insults, etc.

I think Biden will do great.

Another thing - SCOTUS might make a ruling on Trump's immunity thing before the debate, which could make a big difference.

What was "pessimistic" about my prediction? You don't think the pundits will be hyper-vigilant for anything they can call a Biden "gaffe"?

It is "pessimistic" to suppose a subject Trump has now raised, unprompted, at two campaign rallies will come up again?

"Pessimistic" would be predicting the Trump will audibly fill his Depends on-stage. Which he might.

quote:

We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at

Believe me, nobody’s laughing.

What’s out here, outside of U.S. borders, is more a mixture of apprehension, concern, a bit of dread mixed with sadness that it’s come to this.

The world in general bears no issue with the American people as a whole, only with the bizarre scenario in which a tired old man is being pitted against an incendiary demagogue. To paraphrase the psychopath in the contest, “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it”, at least since 1934.

quote:

"Pessimistic" would be predicting the Trump will audibly fill his Depends on-stage. Which he might.

If I could, I would sneak a remote-control fart sound maker in Trump's podium, and occasionally, at the right times, set it off.

But really, I'm optimistic that Biden will do well.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

"Pessimistic" would be predicting the Trump will audibly fill his Depends on-stage. Which he might.

If I could, I would sneak a remote-control fart sound maker in Trump's podium, and occasionally, at the right times, set it off.

But really, I'm optimistic that Biden will do well.

I'm hoping he starts every answer with "My convicted felon opponent..."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a2350f8d038610&ei=10

Ahead of debate, Trump tries to delegitimize a possible defeat
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 3 min read

Donald Trump is defined in large part by a belief in preemptive delegitimization. Fearing possible election defeats, the Republican has consistently taken steps to delegitimize the process to explain away potential losses. Fearing possible legal setbacks, he’s also repeatedly tried to delegitimize the justice system to validate potential adverse outcomes.

For whatever reason, Trump approaches practically every challenge with the same thought: “If I fail, it can’t be my fault.”

With this in mind, it’s not too surprising to see the former president apply this same model to Thursday night’s debate against President Joe Biden — which the presumptive GOP nominee is preparing for by making preemptive excuses for the possibility that the event might not go his way.
In recent days, Trump and his surrogates have condemned the debate’s format — apparently indifferent to the fact that his own team negotiated the terms of the event — while going after the CNN anchors who’ll moderate the debate.

As for the possibility that his Democratic opponent might be able to “put two sentences together,” Trump appears eager to preemptively delegitimize Biden’s debate performance, too. The New York Times reported:

“I say he’ll come out all jacked up, right?” Trump said on Saturday, referring to the incumbent, after telling supporters that Biden will get “a shot in the ass” shortly before the debate. The former president added soon after, “Whatever happened to all that cocaine that was missing a month ago from the White House?”

Trump peddled a similar line a week earlier in Wisconsin, suggesting Biden not only used illegal drugs, but actually stole cocaine found in the White House.

He’s also getting plenty of backup from the usual suspects: The Republican National Committee, among others, has asserted as fact that the incumbent president is “on an intense doping regimen,” and assorted right-wing members of Congress have called on Biden to take a drug test to resolve allegations that Trump manufactured out of whole cloth.

Last month, Republican Rep. Greg Murphy of North Carolina went so far as to tell Fox Business that he had secret knowledge about Biden’s reliance on illicit substances, which he refused to divulge on the air.

To be sure, all of this is quite bonkers

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a2350f8d038610&ei=10

Ahead of debate, Trump tries to delegitimize a possible defeat
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 3 min read

Donald Trump is defined in large part by a belief in preemptive delegitimization. Fearing possible election defeats, the Republican has consistently taken steps to delegitimize the process to explain away potential losses. Fearing possible legal setbacks, he’s also repeatedly tried to delegitimize the justice system to validate potential adverse outcomes.

For whatever reason, Trump approaches practically every challenge with the same thought: “If I fail, it can’t be my fault.”

With this in mind, it’s not too surprising to see the former president apply this same model to Thursday night’s debate against President Joe Biden — which the presumptive GOP nominee is preparing for by making preemptive excuses for the possibility that the event might not go his way.
In recent days, Trump and his surrogates have condemned the debate’s format — apparently indifferent to the fact that his own team negotiated the terms of the event — while going after the CNN anchors who’ll moderate the debate.

As for the possibility that his Democratic opponent might be able to “put two sentences together,” Trump appears eager to preemptively delegitimize Biden’s debate performance, too. The New York Times reported:

“I say he’ll come out all jacked up, right?” Trump said on Saturday, referring to the incumbent, after telling supporters that Biden will get “a shot in the ass” shortly before the debate. The former president added soon after, “Whatever happened to all that cocaine that was missing a month ago from the White House?”

Trump peddled a similar line a week earlier in Wisconsin, suggesting Biden not only used illegal drugs, but actually stole cocaine found in the White House.

He’s also getting plenty of backup from the usual suspects: The Republican National Committee, among others, has asserted as fact that the incumbent president is “on an intense doping regimen,” and assorted right-wing members of Congress have called on Biden to take a drug test to resolve allegations that Trump manufactured out of whole cloth.

Last month, Republican Rep. Greg Murphy of North Carolina went so far as to tell Fox Business that he had secret knowledge about Biden’s reliance on illicit substances, which he refused to divulge on the air.

To be sure, all of this is quite bonkers

If there is a drug, or a combination of drugs that will, even temporarily, reverse the symptoms of dementia would there even be any room on TV for dick pill commercials to run between ads for the new wonder drug?

Wouldn't Trump swallow a couple when he gets the urge to talk about windmill cancer or Revolutionary War airports?

I'll find something more important to do than watch it.
Like, clean the lint out of my bellybutton.
Listening to two old fools lie? no thanks.

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

quote:

We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at

Believe me, nobody’s laughing.

What’s out here, outside of U.S. borders, is more a mixture of apprehension, concern, a bit of dread mixed with sadness that it’s come to this.

The world in general bears no issue with the American people as a whole, only with the bizarre scenario in which a tired old man is being pitted against an incendiary demagogue. To paraphrase the psychopath in the contest, “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it”, at least since 1934.

Sums up what I think as well.

Somehow the term Schroedingers election comes to mind.

Ritalin (amphetamine) does give cognitive improvement in people. It doesn’t reproduce lost memories, but it does reduce the short term confusion. It also can cause heart attack or stroke in those people.

The reason it isn’t used in dementia is because it’s a temporary time limited effect that doesn’t do anything to slow disease progress.

It also tends to cause crashing symptoms when it wears off. It also can cause psychosis in some people.

It’s a DEA controlled substance.

I have no idea if this is being used, but I would not be surprised. That is part of why the use it in ADHD patients… improved cognitive function.

Note that Hitler used a similar (stronger) drug and had quite a few obvious side effects.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a2350f8d038610&ei=10

Ahead of debate, Trump tries to delegitimize a possible defeat
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 3 min read

Donald Trump is defined in large part by a belief in preemptive delegitimization. Fearing possible election defeats, the Republican has consistently taken steps to delegitimize the process to explain away potential losses. Fearing possible legal setbacks, he’s also repeatedly tried to delegitimize the justice system to validate potential adverse outcomes.

For whatever reason, Trump approaches practically every challenge with the same thought: “If I fail, it can’t be my fault.”

With this in mind, it’s not too surprising to see the former president apply this same model to Thursday night’s debate against President Joe Biden — which the presumptive GOP nominee is preparing for by making preemptive excuses for the possibility that the event might not go his way.
In recent days, Trump and his surrogates have condemned the debate’s format — apparently indifferent to the fact that his own team negotiated the terms of the event — while going after the CNN anchors who’ll moderate the debate.

As for the possibility that his Democratic opponent might be able to “put two sentences together,” Trump appears eager to preemptively delegitimize Biden’s debate performance, too. The New York Times reported:

“I say he’ll come out all jacked up, right?” Trump said on Saturday, referring to the incumbent, after telling supporters that Biden will get “a shot in the ass” shortly before the debate. The former president added soon after, “Whatever happened to all that cocaine that was missing a month ago from the White House?”

Trump peddled a similar line a week earlier in Wisconsin, suggesting Biden not only used illegal drugs, but actually stole cocaine found in the White House.

He’s also getting plenty of backup from the usual suspects: The Republican National Committee, among others, has asserted as fact that the incumbent president is “on an intense doping regimen,” and assorted right-wing members of Congress have called on Biden to take a drug test to resolve allegations that Trump manufactured out of whole cloth.

Last month, Republican Rep. Greg Murphy of North Carolina went so far as to tell Fox Business that he had secret knowledge about Biden’s reliance on illicit substances, which he refused to divulge on the air.

To be sure, all of this is quite bonkers

If there is a drug, or a combination of drugs that will, even temporarily, reverse the symptoms of dementia would there even be any room on TV for dick pill commercials to run between ads for the new wonder drug?

Wouldn't Trump swallow a couple when he gets the urge to talk about windmill cancer or Revolutionary War airports?

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Ritalin (amphetamine) does give cognitive improvement in people.

It’s a DEA controlled substance.

I have no idea if this is being used, but I would not be surprised. That is part of why the use it in ADHD patients… improved cognitive function.

Note that Hitler used a similar (stronger) drug and had quite a few obvious side effects.

Those sentences look like a back door entrance to conspiracy theory. Those sketchy outlines are all it takes to go full-blown deep-end BS.

What's sad and bad is the FACT that Trump and Trumpsters are introducing this idea into the public stream of consciousness. It's in combo with some of the snapshot photos or videos lately showing Biden frozen like a statute, smiling. There are also several articles showing how it's done to misrepresent, IOW a lie.

It's a tactic that represents something unhealthy or unwholesome in politics, and it's being done by GOPers.

What I expect is for Biden to dispel all that mostly in the debate, not directly but indirectly by doing a good job.

His handlers know it's essential.

But GOPers will still push it, simply because it's the best they have.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Trump will show his mental decline.

Heck, the expectations for Biden are so low that I’m pretty sure he’s going to outperform them.

Trump is going to look like an upset baboon.

But jefffive claimed no such medication exists… and his argument was that it’s not being advertised like the ED meds.

I don’t know if Biden is on these or not. He could also be on provigil for the fact that he’s going to be needing to be alert past his bedtime… remember Ronnie Jackson got demoted about these being handed out in the Trump WH. They do work, but don’t correct long term dementia. Joe’s confabulated stories do go along with these meds, but since he’s been doing that since the 70’s that no proof of using the drugs.

If I were on the hook to make this look right, I'd feed questions to both teams and let them load their teleprompters. Speak the choreographed questions, turn the microphones on and off, leave it at that.

No real interactions allowed, just canned responses to canned questions. Just get it done, with no surprises.
Powers that be, are already have panties in a wad over RFK Jr's unknown effect on the undecided independents.
As with the stock market, the unknown is feared more than known problems, and for good reason.

What must be avoided at all costs, is the perception that our leaders can not do much other than read teleprompters and sign pre-written legislation from lobbyists.

The first question to both candidates should be "Will you pee in these cups?"

I'll bet my favorite testicle, the middle one, Trump wouldn't do it.

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

quote:

We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at

Believe me, nobody’s laughing.

What’s out here, outside of U.S. borders, is more a mixture of apprehension, concern, a bit of dread mixed with sadness that it’s come to this.

The world in general bears no issue with the American people as a whole, only with the bizarre scenario in which a tired old man is being pitted against an incendiary demagogue. To paraphrase the psychopath in the contest, “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it”, at least since 1934.

Spot on.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

quote:

We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at

Believe me, nobody’s laughing.

What’s out here, outside of U.S. borders, is more a mixture of apprehension, concern, a bit of dread mixed with sadness that it’s come to this.

The world in general bears no issue with the American people as a whole, only with the bizarre scenario in which a tired old man is being pitted against an incendiary demagogue. To paraphrase the psychopath in the contest, “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it”, at least since 1934.

Spot on.

Actually, some of us feel sorry for you.

With your non stop lecturing the world of how great you all are.

Free.

Democratic.

Have your destiny in your hands.

Invading and destroying other countries while claiming to bring them "democracy".

And here you are totally incapable of running your own bloody affairs'!

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
I expect President Biden to prove there's one candidate in this race who actually understands the issues and has actual policy proposals to deal with them, then be crucified for a couple of verbal gaffes, while Trump will highlight the dangers of electric boats in shark-infested waters.

Ill nevermind the "Biden will do great" stuff, we know from past experience he won't.

Leaders are expected to be able to speak. Rulers are expected to be able to rally the Ruled with their words. Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR and JFK are remembered today, are lionized today because of their words and deeds. Nobody here thinks the Biden Memorial on The Mall in D.C. will include a speech of his chiselled in stone.

Neither Biden nor Trump are allowed gaffes. Ford and "W" bungled their words and look how that worked out.

Our two candidates for Ruler in Chief are an embarrassment, I certainly won't be watching.

Why do I think it will end up resembling an argument between two old men in a shared room in a nursing home over which one left the cap off their one tube of haemorrhoid ointment?

quote:

gaffes

Definition: an unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder

I chose that word as a springboard.

We have far greater political problems within the premises of this thread. Gaffs are the least of it.

To name a few:

Unintentional vs intentional misstatements. Both Trump and Biden make gaffs, but only one makes a vast number of misstatements or lies intentionally, strategically.

Embarrassment: I don't know about Biden for sure, but I do know that a toxic narcissist, namely Trump, is not capable of embarrassment. He has no shame.

Plus, there are really nasty tricks deployed to sway public opinion. And the closer to election the worst will emerge. They aren't called October Surprises for nothing. For example, I believe Comey cost HRC the election by starting and announcing an investigation on her very close to the election.

Anyway, here's an article that explains. GOPers have been very successful at embedding this in the public consciousness.

The debate has the potential to dispel it somewhat.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...2bc0cc587cb1e9&ei=16


The Hill
Inaction on GOP’s Biden ‘cheapfakes’ will cost us our democracy
By Juan Williams, Opinion Contributor • 21h • 4 min read

Talk about playing with fire and getting burned.

The Republican National Committee is defiantly sending out misleading videos to add credibility to the idea that an aging President Biden is mentally incompetent. RNC officials say they do not care that their fraud is being called out by fact-checkers at big news organizations. Although not manipulated by AI, they do not stand up to scrutiny “when the moments are viewed in context or from wider camera angles.”

They do not care that the Biden White House’s press secretary is labeling the manipulated videos as “cheapfakes” and saying the treachery tells “you everything that we need to know about how desperate Republicans are.”

Republicans don’t care, because these cheapfake videos are a money-making hit, click-bait supreme in the conservative media’s echo chamber.

They are even being picked up for local news broadcasts by Sinclair. Conservative websites and radio shows have joined in mocking and bullying Biden.

But while they are laughing, the Republicans have not noticed that they’ve set their pants on fire.

Congressional Republicans, led by former President Donald Trump, for years have argued that right-wing media content would be unfairly constrained by establishment liberals in the big social media companies and government.

They posed as defenders of conservative free speech to oppose rules to constrain the flood of bullying, personal hate, disinformation and conspiracy theories flooding the internet.

They said federal laws against online abuse amount to government censorship.

But with their fraudulent, cheaply distorted Biden videos, it is now clear that the right-wing’s real goal is to protect their right to stir up online rage to maintain political power based on lies, deception and propaganda.

Their years of talk about protecting free speech was just a three-card-monte trick to distract from their work behind the curtain to twist the truth to raise money and get votes.

(the article continues, and it's informative)

Here's how they spin it.

Notice that this article has a preemptive spin as well.

IMO, it stinks of having nothing but rot to smear. If they had anything substantial, they would push it. But instead, they make up stuff.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ea715d5a423c08&ei=82

The First Presidential Debate Is Obviously Rigged, And Poll Shows Americans Know It
Story by Mary Rooke • 3h • 2 min read

I just hope the last ten seconds of every answer Biden gives is an insult worded just elliptically enough that it takes Trump the first 30 seconds of stumbling through his response about electric boats and sharks to realize he was insulted, but pointed enough he has to try to respond.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

quote:

We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at

Believe me, nobody’s laughing.

What’s out here, outside of U.S. borders, is more a mixture of apprehension, concern, a bit of dread mixed with sadness that it’s come to this.

The world in general bears no issue with the American people as a whole, only with the bizarre scenario in which a tired old man is being pitted against an incendiary demagogue. To paraphrase the psychopath in the contest, “Nobody’s ever seen anything like it”, at least since 1934.

Spot on.

Actually, some of us feel sorry for you.

With your non stop lecturing the world of how great you all are.

Free.

Democratic.

Have your destiny in your hands.

Invading and destroying other countries while claiming to bring them "democracy".

And here you are totally incapable of running your own bloody affairs'!

Oh, baloney.

Never ever ever forget that your country exists at our discretion, Saeed. You can bloviate and insult and quack all day long about how stupid and horrible we Americans are but the reality is, you'd be paying homage to the Iranian ayatollahs but for the umbrella of security we provide to your country. It's obvious that fact really bothers you but it is a fact.

Trump and team must be thinking they won't do well.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...855eaeca470b75&ei=47

Trump claims debate ambush as expectations swing wildly
Story by Zachary Basu • 14h • 2 min read

https://youtube.com/shorts/Sr2...?si=5S7AaDhhFWowlRwT

Real fake news: Deceptive RNC videos smearing Biden planted on local news sites critic says
Deceptive RNC videos smearing Biden planted on local news sites

https://youtube.com/shorts/aEA...?si=4-3ipKdWF2mcCtns

Anthony Scaramucci: 'Trump's going to implode between now and November'

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Ritalin (amphetamine) does give cognitive improvement in people. It doesn’t reproduce lost memories, but it does reduce the short term confusion. It also can cause heart attack or stroke in those people.

The reason it isn’t used in dementia is because it’s a temporary time limited effect that doesn’t do anything to slow disease progress.

It also tends to cause crashing symptoms when it wears off. It also can cause psychosis in some people.

It’s a DEA controlled substance.

I have no idea if this is being used, but I would not be surprised. That is part of why the use it in ADHD patients… improved cognitive function.

Note that Hitler used a similar (stronger) drug and had quite a few obvious side effects.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a2350f8d038610&ei=10

Ahead of debate, Trump tries to delegitimize a possible defeat
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 3 min read

Donald Trump is defined in large part by a belief in preemptive delegitimization. Fearing possible election defeats, the Republican has consistently taken steps to delegitimize the process to explain away potential losses. Fearing possible legal setbacks, he’s also repeatedly tried to delegitimize the justice system to validate potential adverse outcomes.

For whatever reason, Trump approaches practically every challenge with the same thought: “If I fail, it can’t be my fault.”

With this in mind, it’s not too surprising to see the former president apply this same model to Thursday night’s debate against President Joe Biden — which the presumptive GOP nominee is preparing for by making preemptive excuses for the possibility that the event might not go his way.
In recent days, Trump and his surrogates have condemned the debate’s format — apparently indifferent to the fact that his own team negotiated the terms of the event — while going after the CNN anchors who’ll moderate the debate.

As for the possibility that his Democratic opponent might be able to “put two sentences together,” Trump appears eager to preemptively delegitimize Biden’s debate performance, too. The New York Times reported:

“I say he’ll come out all jacked up, right?” Trump said on Saturday, referring to the incumbent, after telling supporters that Biden will get “a shot in the ass” shortly before the debate. The former president added soon after, “Whatever happened to all that cocaine that was missing a month ago from the White House?”

Trump peddled a similar line a week earlier in Wisconsin, suggesting Biden not only used illegal drugs, but actually stole cocaine found in the White House.

He’s also getting plenty of backup from the usual suspects: The Republican National Committee, among others, has asserted as fact that the incumbent president is “on an intense doping regimen,” and assorted right-wing members of Congress have called on Biden to take a drug test to resolve allegations that Trump manufactured out of whole cloth.

Last month, Republican Rep. Greg Murphy of North Carolina went so far as to tell Fox Business that he had secret knowledge about Biden’s reliance on illicit substances, which he refused to divulge on the air.

To be sure, all of this is quite bonkers

If there is a drug, or a combination of drugs that will, even temporarily, reverse the symptoms of dementia would there even be any room on TV for dick pill commercials to run between ads for the new wonder drug?

Wouldn't Trump swallow a couple when he gets the urge to talk about windmill cancer or Revolutionary War airports?

I'm not a doctor, and don't play one on television, but I DID have a desk in a tactical operations center for a few years where I was the only qualified nuclear "plotter", which at times required me to be on duty for several days at a time, and I was issued a large "bottomless" jar of amphetamines (shared with the TOC) that the base dispensary refilled without question, and I never experienced nor observed anybody being LESS confused after eating a few; quite the contrary, actually. They would keep you functioning as long as you didn't get to the confused stage before you used them; if you did you quickly became useless.

And if you are suggesting that somebody in the White House Medical Office, since Dr. Ronny "Feelgood" Jackson is not there, is going to be feeding a drug that increases the risk of heart attack or stroke to the 81-year-old President for the sake of a debate I suspect you've lost your bloody mind.

Exactly the same idea. It would help until it doesn't and it has a lot of potential negatives.

Why did Jackson prescribe these things? Same reason your base dispensary did... they were told to.

There is quite a bit of study into the various amphetamines and military short term use. The US decided on dexadrine and the germans on pervitin. Pervitin is methamphetamine.

If you don't abuse the drug, it can be helpful in situations like you describe... but the side effects and the potential for addiction are good reasons not to use it.

I would not put it past Biden to use whatever short term if he thinks it will help him win the election.

Same for Trump.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Ritalin (amphetamine) does give cognitive improvement in people. It doesn’t reproduce lost memories, but it does reduce the short term confusion. It also can cause heart attack or stroke in those people.

The reason it isn’t used in dementia is because it’s a temporary time limited effect that doesn’t do anything to slow disease progress.

It also tends to cause crashing symptoms when it wears off. It also can cause psychosis in some people.

It’s a DEA controlled substance.

I have no idea if this is being used, but I would not be surprised. That is part of why the use it in ADHD patients… improved cognitive function.

Note that Hitler used a similar (stronger) drug and had quite a few obvious side effects.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a2350f8d038610&ei=10

Ahead of debate, Trump tries to delegitimize a possible defeat
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 3 min read

Donald Trump is defined in large part by a belief in preemptive delegitimization. Fearing possible election defeats, the Republican has consistently taken steps to delegitimize the process to explain away potential losses. Fearing possible legal setbacks, he’s also repeatedly tried to delegitimize the justice system to validate potential adverse outcomes.

For whatever reason, Trump approaches practically every challenge with the same thought: “If I fail, it can’t be my fault.”

With this in mind, it’s not too surprising to see the former president apply this same model to Thursday night’s debate against President Joe Biden — which the presumptive GOP nominee is preparing for by making preemptive excuses for the possibility that the event might not go his way.
In recent days, Trump and his surrogates have condemned the debate’s format — apparently indifferent to the fact that his own team negotiated the terms of the event — while going after the CNN anchors who’ll moderate the debate.

As for the possibility that his Democratic opponent might be able to “put two sentences together,” Trump appears eager to preemptively delegitimize Biden’s debate performance, too. The New York Times reported:

“I say he’ll come out all jacked up, right?” Trump said on Saturday, referring to the incumbent, after telling supporters that Biden will get “a shot in the ass” shortly before the debate. The former president added soon after, “Whatever happened to all that cocaine that was missing a month ago from the White House?”

Trump peddled a similar line a week earlier in Wisconsin, suggesting Biden not only used illegal drugs, but actually stole cocaine found in the White House.

He’s also getting plenty of backup from the usual suspects: The Republican National Committee, among others, has asserted as fact that the incumbent president is “on an intense doping regimen,” and assorted right-wing members of Congress have called on Biden to take a drug test to resolve allegations that Trump manufactured out of whole cloth.

Last month, Republican Rep. Greg Murphy of North Carolina went so far as to tell Fox Business that he had secret knowledge about Biden’s reliance on illicit substances, which he refused to divulge on the air.

To be sure, all of this is quite bonkers

If there is a drug, or a combination of drugs that will, even temporarily, reverse the symptoms of dementia would there even be any room on TV for dick pill commercials to run between ads for the new wonder drug?

Wouldn't Trump swallow a couple when he gets the urge to talk about windmill cancer or Revolutionary War airports?

I'm not a doctor, and don't play one on television, but I DID have a desk in a tactical operations center for a few years where I was the only qualified nuclear "plotter", which at times required me to be on duty for several days at a time, and I was issued a large "bottomless" jar of amphetamines (shared with the TOC) that the base dispensary refilled without question, and I never experienced nor observed anybody being LESS confused after eating a few; quite the contrary, actually. They would keep you functioning as long as you didn't get to the confused stage before you used them; if you did you quickly became useless.

And if you are suggesting that somebody in the White House Medical Office, since Dr. Ronny "Feelgood" Jackson is not there, is going to be feeding a drug that increases the risk of heart attack or stroke to the 81-year-old President for the sake of a debate I suspect you've lost your bloody mind.

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Exactly the same idea. It would help until it doesn't and it has a lot of potential negatives.

Why did Jackson prescribe these things? Same reason your base dispensary did... they were told to.

There is quite a bit of study into the various amphetamines and military short term use. The US decided on dexadrine and the germans on pervitin. Pervitin is methamphetamine.

If you don't abuse the drug, it can be helpful in situations like you describe... but the side effects and the potential for addiction are good reasons not to use it.

I would not put it past Biden to use whatever short term if he thinks it will help him win the election.

Same for Trump.

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Ritalin (amphetamine) does give cognitive improvement in people. It doesn’t reproduce lost memories, but it does reduce the short term confusion. It also can cause heart attack or stroke in those people.

The reason it isn’t used in dementia is because it’s a temporary time limited effect that doesn’t do anything to slow disease progress.

It also tends to cause crashing symptoms when it wears off. It also can cause psychosis in some people.

It’s a DEA controlled substance.

I have no idea if this is being used, but I would not be surprised. That is part of why the use it in ADHD patients… improved cognitive function.

Note that Hitler used a similar (stronger) drug and had quite a few obvious side effects.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a2350f8d038610&ei=10

Ahead of debate, Trump tries to delegitimize a possible defeat
Story by Steve Benen • 1h • 3 min read

Donald Trump is defined in large part by a belief in preemptive delegitimization. Fearing possible election defeats, the Republican has consistently taken steps to delegitimize the process to explain away potential losses. Fearing possible legal setbacks, he’s also repeatedly tried to delegitimize the justice system to validate potential adverse outcomes.

For whatever reason, Trump approaches practically every challenge with the same thought: “If I fail, it can’t be my fault.”

With this in mind, it’s not too surprising to see the former president apply this same model to Thursday night’s debate against President Joe Biden — which the presumptive GOP nominee is preparing for by making preemptive excuses for the possibility that the event might not go his way.
In recent days, Trump and his surrogates have condemned the debate’s format — apparently indifferent to the fact that his own team negotiated the terms of the event — while going after the CNN anchors who’ll moderate the debate.

As for the possibility that his Democratic opponent might be able to “put two sentences together,” Trump appears eager to preemptively delegitimize Biden’s debate performance, too. The New York Times reported:

“I say he’ll come out all jacked up, right?” Trump said on Saturday, referring to the incumbent, after telling supporters that Biden will get “a shot in the ass” shortly before the debate. The former president added soon after, “Whatever happened to all that cocaine that was missing a month ago from the White House?”

Trump peddled a similar line a week earlier in Wisconsin, suggesting Biden not only used illegal drugs, but actually stole cocaine found in the White House.

He’s also getting plenty of backup from the usual suspects: The Republican National Committee, among others, has asserted as fact that the incumbent president is “on an intense doping regimen,” and assorted right-wing members of Congress have called on Biden to take a drug test to resolve allegations that Trump manufactured out of whole cloth.

Last month, Republican Rep. Greg Murphy of North Carolina went so far as to tell Fox Business that he had secret knowledge about Biden’s reliance on illicit substances, which he refused to divulge on the air.

To be sure, all of this is quite bonkers

If there is a drug, or a combination of drugs that will, even temporarily, reverse the symptoms of dementia would there even be any room on TV for dick pill commercials to run between ads for the new wonder drug?

Wouldn't Trump swallow a couple when he gets the urge to talk about windmill cancer or Revolutionary War airports?

I'm not a doctor, and don't play one on television, but I DID have a desk in a tactical operations center for a few years where I was the only qualified nuclear "plotter", which at times required me to be on duty for several days at a time, and I was issued a large "bottomless" jar of amphetamines (shared with the TOC) that the base dispensary refilled without question, and I never experienced nor observed anybody being LESS confused after eating a few; quite the contrary, actually. They would keep you functioning as long as you didn't get to the confused stage before you used them; if you did you quickly became useless.

And if you are suggesting that somebody in the White House Medical Office, since Dr. Ronny "Feelgood" Jackson is not there, is going to be feeding a drug that increases the risk of heart attack or stroke to the 81-year-old President for the sake of a debate I suspect you've lost your bloody mind.

If Doctor Feelgood had merely been "doing what he was told" he wouldn't have been demoted. He was slinging pretty hard drugs to all comers, drunk on duty and sexually harassing subordinates, so of course he was perfect for a Texas Congressional seat.

It's Okay if You Are a Republican.

what do I expect from the debate? (which isn't a debate, it's a QA) -- idk, but if past performance is any indicator of future performance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duK5A27SDEo

I predict at some point Trump will have a meltdown with a dead mike and no audience to play to.nHe won’t get to talk over slo jo and generally act like the orange buffoon he is.

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I predict at some point Trump will have a meltdown with a dead mike and no audience to play to.nHe won’t get to talk over slo jo and generally act like the orange buffoon he is.

If he interrupts with a dead mike and no audience, how do we fact-check what he said?

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I predict at some point Trump will have a meltdown with a dead mike and no audience to play to.nHe won’t get to talk over slo jo and generally act like the orange buffoon he is.

If he interrupts with a dead mike and no audience, how do we fact-check what he said?

Odds are he'll be lying.

I'm sure the Dims will have someone tasked with showing Biden back to the podium when he wanders off thinking this thing is over, and I suspect that despite the fact that Trump agreed to walk into a calculated ambush with CNN and all the rules stacked in Biden's favor, Biden won't remember his week long preparation and will come off as a dementia patient. Sad.

But how does Biden answer the rape and murder of a 12 year old girl in Houston by illegal Venezuzulan immigrants? He cant' He should be charged as an accessory. I'm sure the CNN moderators will never ask that question, but they would if they were honest journalists.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I'm sure the Dims will have someone tasked with showing Biden back to the podium when he wanders off thinking this thing is over, and I suspect that despite the fact that Trump agreed to walk into a calculated ambush with CNN and all the rules stacked in Biden's favor, Biden won't remember his week long preparation and will come off as a dementia patient. Sad.

But how does Biden answer the rape and murder of a 12 year old girl in Houston by illegal Venezuzulan immigrants? He cant' He should be charged as an accessory. I'm sure the CNN moderators will never ask that question, but they would if they were honest journalists.

The POTUS is now responsible for crimes against individuals? Wow Man.

In a nation of our size I'd think it reasonable to hold an executive accountable for policy, not individual procedure.

Biden should be removed from office for example his policy for Afghanistan, not and individual soldiers death.

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We are going to have two geriatric patients, both of whom show meaningful evidence of cognitive and physical decline, going toe to toe on stage for all the world to laugh at. Not to mention one is a convicted felon, well-established philanderer and noted liar.

Name one politician anywhere who doesn't lie as it is all a part of the diplomatic stunt; they are groomed at an early stage of their diplomatic careers on how to "lie truthfully".