Happy Holidays.

"Happy Thanksgiving to ALL, including the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia 'Peekaboo' James, who has let Murder & Violent Crime FLOURISH, & Businesses FLEE; the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a 'Psycho,' Arthur Engoron, who Criminally Defrauded the State of New York, & ME, by purposely Valuing my Assets at a 'tiny' Fraction of what they are really worth in order to convict me of Fraud before even a Trial, or seeing any PROOF, & used his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield, to sit by his side on the 'Bench' & tell him what to do; & Crooked Joe Biden, who has WEAPONIZED his Department of Injustice against his Political Opponent, & allowed our Country to go to HELL; & all of the other Radical Left Lunatics, Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Democrats, & RINOS, who are seriously looking to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.

"Have no fear, however, we will WIN the Presidential Election of 2024, & MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"

This is what we want to bring back to the White House as a Thanksgiving message?

trump is a cancer.

. . . why memes are for the mentally weak.

November 27, 2019

Dow 28121
SP 3140
Nas 8647

November 22, 2023

Dow 35273
SP 4556
Nas 14265

Biden is just as worthless as Trump, but at least get your facts right and quit relying on mental crutches to think for you.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

As long as we buy/bring in even one barrel of foreign oil we are NOT energy independent. I believe that right now we are producing more oil than we ever have. It likely costs us less to produce a barrel of oil than it does to purchase it, but when that oil hits the refinery the end products are sold based on the world price of oil and not domestic production costs. At some point current gasoline price will be about as low as it will get. Do you think that trump would have the stones or authority to order the oil companies NOT to export petroleum products?

I am struck by the similarity to Lincoln's Thanksgiving speech.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.ed...hanksgiving-day-1864

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

As long as we buy/bring in even one barrel of foreign oil we are NOT energy independent. I believe that right now we are producing more oil than we ever have. It likely costs us less to produce a barrel of oil than it does to purchase it, but when that oil hits the refinery the end products are sold based on the world price of oil and not domestic production costs. At some point current gasoline price will be about as low as it will get. Do you think that trump would have the stones or authority to order the oil companies NOT to export petroleum products?

As long as the price is the same it makes sense to use up the other guy's oil and keep our own for next week.

Ann, got any facts backing up the meme?

Trump promised 3% growth in the economy in 2019 and failed to deliver. I think it was 2.3%.

The "Law & Order" goes out the window when you consider the January 6th MAGA attack on the U. S. Capitol, and Trump's desperate attempt to stay in power after losing the election. Trump wiped his ass on the U. S. Constitution, and cares nothing about the Rule of Law.

That is about as far as I got before I called "Bullshit" on your entire post.

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Originally posted by Kensco:
Ann, got any facts backing up the meme?

Trump promised 3% growth in the economy in 2019 and failed to deliver. I think it was 2.3%.

The "Law & Order" goes out the window when you consider the January 6th MAGA attack on the U. S. Capitol, and Trump's desperate attempt to stay in power after losing the election. Trump wiped his ass on the U. S. Constitution, and cares nothing about the Rule of Law.

That is about as far as I got before I called "Bullshit" on your entire post.

Surely you jest, facts make MAGAts break out in hives.

"Law and Order" with 90+ criminal counts against him, the only person in American history to be the leading candidate in a major party while out on bail.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

As long as we buy/bring in even one barrel of foreign oil we are NOT energy independent. I believe that right now we are producing more oil than we ever have. It likely costs us less to produce a barrel of oil than it does to purchase it, but when that oil hits the refinery the end products are sold based on the world price of oil and not domestic production costs. At some point current gasoline price will be about as low as it will get. Do you think that trump would have the stones or authority to order the oil companies NOT to export petroleum products?

As long as the price is the same it makes sense to use up the other guy's oil and keep our own for next week.

Zackly.

What did you expect from Ann, intelligence?

the basic concept of the us producing it's own oil, from domestic oil, is a fallacy - our refineries aren't really setup to run west texas intermediate - we can be a net oil EXPORTER, where we send out more than we use, however, it will take at least a decade, and rewritten EPA regs, for us to build refineries to use what we make -

THAT is why we import oil, as the 50% reason -

https://www.nasdaq.com/article...y-do-we-import-crude

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Most of the oil produced in the U.S. fields in Texas, Oklahoma, and elsewhere is light and sweet, compared to what comes from the Middle East and Russia. The problem is that for many years, imported oil met most of the U.S.’s energy needs, so a large percentage of the refining capacity here is geared towards dealing with oil that is heavier and less sweet than the kind produced here.

pil production, at it's core, is not difficult to understand, and it will be a couple presidents down the road, if we can get common sense back into economics, before we would not need to import oil

Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

The longer we are dependent on oil, domestic or foreign, we're fucked.

There is no conservative agenda to remedy that, instead they fight against the remedy.

you think oil companies dont want cap. improvements over the long term? if not but to delay taxes?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ebf4619d15c24a&ei=34

'I was dumbfounded': Bob Woodward reveals when Trump officials exposed his pandemic lies
Story by Matthew Chapman • 9h

Legendary Watergate reporter Bob Woodward opened up further about the "Trump Tapes" on MSNBC Friday with anchor Ari Melber, specifically documenting how he discovered Trump was lying to the public about the hazards posed by the COVID-19 pandemic.

"We've spoken about this. Now we're sharing it with viewers," said Melber. "What do you think this all shows?"

"It shows a negligence to a national security problem for the country, a national health problem," said Woodward. "And it turns out in the reporting — and this is on tape — that Trump National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and his deputy, Matt Pottinger, went to Trump in early January — that's the year that Trump is running for re-election — and O'Brien tells Trump, the coming virus will be the biggest threat, be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. Now, I've covered 16 national security advisers going back to Henry Kissinger and never heard that stark, dramatic warning that O'Brien gave. His deputy, Matt Pottinger, an expert on China, had been there seven years as a Wall Street Journal reporter, told the president, I have, president, I have contacts in the medical underground that tell me in China that this is going to come in a way that there will be 650,000 deaths. A wake-up call."

Upon learning this, said Woodward, "Trump ... spent months and months saying, oh, no, it's going to go away. So six months later, this is the moment you capture here where he says, oh, we've got it under control. and you can hear this in his own voice. And I say to him, under control? 140,000 people have died in this country since the virus, since it came. That's six months of no action."

"Was it clear from your access to him and those conversations at the time that he had absorbed some of these warnings?" asked Melber. "That he did know it was going to be that bad?"

"Well, it took me months to learn about the warnings from his national security advisers," said Woodward. "When I learned about it, I was dumbfounded. And we were in the middle of the crisis. And he still was not acting. This idea of, we have it under control, it was never under control. It intentionally was never under control. And the problem with Trump is, I think he looks at democracy as enemy territory, to be quite frank. Because that's the people. And he always wants it to be about him. And you listen to eight hours, and it's all about, oh, no, no, no, everything is fine, I know what I'm doing. And when you lay it all out, he did not know what he was doing, and he didn't care."

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

Well he didn't tell us that the docs were amazed at his genius and grasp of the situation whilst taking about using bleach and UV internally.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

uhm, what?
congress spent 4.7T under trump to combat la rona, and science developed three "vaccines" - Weird (well, 4 but who's counting)

weird how we haven't seen a new super vaccine that isn't a "therapeutic" since then...

i guess getting the blue states to lift their lockdowns and allow interstate travel could be an "achievement"

"a million more dead" -- uhmmm, who's counting, but under which president did more people die of la rona? whatever numbers are stated are incorrect, as the US is the only country to include "with corona" and "from corona" in their count - dude hit by a bus, and SUSPECTED of having it, "with corona", dies in a motorcycle accident, same ... but the kicker is how "excess deaths" plummeted during the pandemic

yes, corona killed - but no where near as many as people think

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

uhm, what?
congress spent 4.7T under trump to combat la rona, and science developed three "vaccines" - Weird (well, 4 but who's counting)

weird how we haven't seen a new super vaccine that isn't a "therapeutic" since then...

i guess getting the blue states to lift their lockdowns and allow interstate travel could be an "achievement"

"a million more dead" -- uhmmm, who's counting, but under which president did more people die of la rona? whatever numbers are stated are incorrect, as the US is the only country to include "with corona" and "from corona" in their count - dude hit by a bus, and SUSPECTED of having it, "with corona", dies in a motorcycle accident, same ... but the kicker is how "excess deaths" plummeted during the pandemic

yes, corona killed - but no where near as many as people think

Well trump didn't get his way and let it run wild until it burned itself out. It is my opinion that had that happened [achieving herd immunity] that a million more could have died from COVID, COVID assisted and COVID related combined. YMMV, but we'll never know. True that vaccines were developed which would have happened regardless of who was in the WH, but now all people do is bitch about them and bad mouth them because they aren't perfect. Still he gets credit for it simply because he was President. Offering incentives to expedite the development made sense no matter who was in the Oval office. Funny tho that we still can't develop a vaccine for the common cold.

BTW if you're an epidemiologist or not how many more people would have died had we taken the run wild approach? Offer the vaccine, but for everything else you're own your own just like when you catch a cold.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

So why aren't we retrofitting refineries to use the lighter crude that's produced in certain areas? Apparently it makes more sense to get heavier crude from russia, middle east and sludge from Canada than to have a 100% domestic supply.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

So why aren't we retrofitting refineries to use the lighter crude that's produced in certain areas? Apparently it makes more sense to get heavier crude from russia, middle east and sludge from Canada than to have a 100% domestic supply.

I know! I know! It’s all because of democrats. When republicans control the majority, it’s still democrats. Nobody wants to solve problems. They just want to blame others and use that as a campaign tool.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

So why aren't we retrofitting refineries to use the lighter crude that's produced in certain areas? Apparently it makes more sense to get heavier crude from russia, middle east and sludge from Canada than to have a 100% domestic supply.

Silly question. The reason is the EPA regs. WTI has less Sulphur than most other crude and would result in less Sulphur in diesel literally resulting in better emissions. The oil companies have been trying to build new and refit old for several decades but can't get epa approval. To out an extreme point on it, spend 10 minutes researching California's gas.mix and refineries

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

uhm, what?
congress spent 4.7T under trump to combat la rona, and science developed three "vaccines" - Weird (well, 4 but who's counting)

weird how we haven't seen a new super vaccine that isn't a "therapeutic" since then...

i guess getting the blue states to lift their lockdowns and allow interstate travel could be an "achievement"

"a million more dead" -- uhmmm, who's counting, but under which president did more people die of la rona? whatever numbers are stated are incorrect, as the US is the only country to include "with corona" and "from corona" in their count - dude hit by a bus, and SUSPECTED of having it, "with corona", dies in a motorcycle accident, same ... but the kicker is how "excess deaths" plummeted during the pandemic

yes, corona killed - but no where near as many as people think

Well trump didn't get his way and let it run wild until it burned itself out. It is my opinion that had that happened [achieving herd immunity] that a million more could have died from COVID, COVID assisted and COVID related combined. YMMV, but we'll never know. True that vaccines were developed which would have happened regardless of who was in the WH, but now all people do is bitch about them and bad mouth them because they aren't perfect. Still he gets credit for it simply because he was President. Offering incentives to expedite the development made sense no matter who was in the Oval office. Funny tho that we still can't develop a vaccine for the common cold.

BTW if you're an epidemiologist or not how many more people would have died had we taken the run wild approach? Offer the vaccine, but for everything else you're own your own just like when you catch a cold.

The majority of the world's population weren't vaccinated and certainly not several times. Extrapolate from that what you will. It's a closed system and easy enough to comprehend

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"a million more dead" -- uhmmm, who's counting, but under which president did more people die of la rona?

That's because Biden thankfully got rid of trump's idiocy early enough. trump dropped the ball in the beginning and gave the virus a good head start before it blew up in his face and he was forced to do something other than praise the Chinese response.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

I didn't say squat about what either trump or Biden did or didn't do; only what trump would have done had he had sole say in how the epidemic was handled. I guess you missed that.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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"a million more dead" -- uhmmm, who's counting, but under which president did more people die of la rona?

That's because Biden thankfully got rid of trump's idiocy early enough. trump dropped the ball in the beginning and gave the virus a good head start before it blew up in his face and he was forced to do something other than praise the Chinese response.

You might review the factual timeliness, starting, say, 2 weeks before Biden called trump a xenophob for wanting to control flights from China.

January 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com...avel-bans-chronology

I got my first rona in Feb 21 due travel

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

Feb. 7: “It goes through air, Bob. That’s always tougher than the touch … You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And, so that’s a very tricky one. … It’s also more deadly than your – you know, your, even your strenuous flus. … This is more deadly. This is 5, you know, this is 5% versus 1% and less than 1%. You know, so, this is deadly stuff.” — Trump in an interview with Woodward, released in September.

Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.

Feb. 28: “So a number that nobody heard of that I heard of recently, and I was shocked to hear it, 35,000 people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? … They say usually a minimum of 27, goes up to 100,000 people a year die, and so far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States. Nobody. And it doesn’t mean we won’t and we are totally prepared. It doesn’t mean we won’t. But think of it, you hear 35 and 40,000 people and we’ve lost nobody. You wonder, the press is in hysteria mode.”

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. … They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.” — Trump at a rally in North Charleston, South Carolina.

March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.

March 6: “We’ve had 11 deaths, and they’ve been largely old people who are — who were susceptible to what’s happening. Now, that would be the case, I assume, with a regular flu too. If somebody is old and in a weakened state or ill, they’re susceptible to the common flu too. You know, they were telling me just now that the common flu kills people and old people is sort of a target.” — Trump after a tour of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.

March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.

March 15: “This is a very contagious — this is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.” — Trump at a White House task force briefing.

March 16: The White House announces recommendations for a 15-day period to slow the spread of the coronavirus, including staying at home if you feel sick, have a household member who tests positive or are older or have a serious health condition.

“When I’m talking about control, I’m saying we are doing a very good job within the confines of what we’re dealing with. We’re doing a very good job. … If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. … I was talking about what we’re doing is under control.” — Trump at a White House task force press briefing.

March 17: “I’ve always known this is a — this is a real — this is a pandemic. I’ve felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” — Trump at a White House task force press briefing.

March 19: “To be honest with you, I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don’t want to create a panic.” — Trump in an interview with journalist Woodward, released in September.

March 24: “So I think Easter Sunday and you’ll have packed churches all over our country. I think it would be a beautiful time. And it’s just about the timeline that I think is right.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News.

March 29: “So you’re talking about 2.2. million deaths — 2.2 million people from this. And so, if we can hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — that’s a horrible number — maybe even less, but to 100,000; so we have between 100- and 200,000 — we all, together, have done a very good job.” — Trump at a White House task force press briefing.

March 30: The White House extends its “slow the spread” recommendations to April 30.

“We can expect that, by June 1st, we will be well on our way to recovery. We think, by June 1st, a lot of great things will be happening.” — Trump in announcing the extension of those recommendations.

April 5: “We’re starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. And hopefully, in the not-too-distant future, we’ll be very proud of the job we all did. We can never be happy when so many people are dying, but we’re going to be very proud of the job we did to keep the death down to an absolute minimum — the least it could have happened with this terrible, terrible virus.” — Trump in a task force press briefing.

April 23: “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.” — Trump in a task force press briefing.

May 25: “Great reviews on our handling of Covid 19, sometimes referred to as the China Virus. Ventilators, Testing, Medical Supply Distribution, we made a lot of Governors look very good – And got no credit for so doing. Most importantly, we helped a lot of great people!” — Trump in a tweet.

May 27: More than 100,000 people have died from the coronavirus in the U.S.

June 20: “They call me, they say the job you’re doing — here’s the bad part, when you test of — when you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So, I said to my people slow the testing down, please.” — Trump at a Tulsa, Oklahoma, indoor rally, his first since the pandemic was declared in March.

June 25: “So, we have more cases because we do the greatest testing. If we didn’t do testing, we’d have no cases. Other countries — they don’t test millions. So we’re up to almost 30 million tests. So when you do 30 million, you’re going to have a kid with the sniffles, and they’ll say it’s coronavirus — whatever you want to call it.” — Trump in a televised virtual town hall.

July 29: Deaths in the U.S. attributed to COVID-19 surpass 150,000.

July 30: “Let me begin by expressing our sadness at the passing of a wonderful man and a dear friend of mine, Herman Cain. He was a very special person. I got to know him very well. And unfortunately, he passed away from the thing called the China virus.” — Trump at a White House briefing, referring to the former Republican candidate for president, who attended Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Aug. 11: “America is winning the war against the virus.” — Trump in remarks at a North Carolina tele-rally.

Sept. 22: “But we have done an incredible job, and we’re doing an incredible job. And, uh, we will be, uh, we’re, in my opinion, we’re rounding the turn.” — Trump in an interview with a Detroit news station.

Deaths in the U.S. from COVID-19 surpass 200,000.

Weird, me, you fought to.mention travel bans, Biden name calling, and trump leading the charge to curtail travel your bias is showing. While totally skipping also dealing with an impeachment. Whole.picture not just that supporting your side

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Weird, me, you fought to.mention travel bans, Biden name calling, and trump leading the charge to curtail travel your bias is showing. While totally skipping also dealing with an impeachment. Whole.picture not just that supporting your side

Trump failed at Corona miserably. I don't see what Biden or Obama, John Adams or Eisenhower would have anything to do with anything. There's no need to mention Biden Corona response, as with Trump's, it was a disaster, we all know, we were there.

I can't imagine how any of us could consider Trump again after his last go around. The worst is the worst regardless political party affiliation.

Yes Jeff I know you and I agree.

Scott,
Idk, ask antelope why he made the comparison. Trumps response, even in NYS, was better than.murder-the-elderly coumo

As they say, the inconvenient truth....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...17f9c0a27595d8&ei=38


"Well, it took me months to learn about the warnings from his national security advisers," said Woodward. "When I learned about it, I was dumbfounded. And we were in the middle of the crisis. And he still was not acting. This idea of, we have it under control, it was never under control. It intentionally was never under control. And the problem with Trump is, I think he looks at democracy as enemy territory, to be quite frank. Because that's the people. And he always wants it to be about him. And you listen to eight hours, and it's all about, oh, no, no, no, everything is fine, I know what I'm doing. And when you lay it all out, he did not know what he was doing, and he didn't care."

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Originally posted by wymple:
As they say, the inconvenient truth....

Thanks, "close enough" your comments are always "close enough" to be irrelevant

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Ann's meme (technically, it's just a cartoon) isn't wrong, though it doesn't show all the factors - there's little, on either side, that one can say "nah, that's wrong", but there's stuff missing

like inflation and stock market activities and fuel costs and energy costs

Who knows how trump would have handled COVID and life thereafter. Everyone assumes it would have been a certain way. One thing is certain and that's if he had his way COVID would have run rampant until it ran itself out with probably a million more dead.

That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have seen in a while. Kind like the one above about us saving our oil while burning other’s.

Please enlighten me on how Biden helped vanquish COVID.

So why aren't we retrofitting refineries to use the lighter crude that's produced in certain areas? Apparently it makes more sense to get heavier crude from russia, middle east and sludge from Canada than to have a 100% domestic supply.

Silly question. The reason is the EPA regs. WTI has less Sulphur than most other crude and would result in less Sulphur in diesel literally resulting in better emissions. The oil companies have been trying to build new and refit old for several decades but can't get epa approval. To out an extreme point on it, spend 10 minutes researching California's gas.mix and refineries

100% correct^^^

And the EPA is an executive branch agency controlled almost solely by executive branch policy.

The data post pandemic CLEARLY shows that none of the intervention techniques implemented made one iota of difference.

The ONLY thing that possibly could have been done better was locking the country down to international travel totally and sooner. But hell the Dems fought the initial Chinese travel ban. The virus that seeded our country came from Europe. No one was going to shut down European travel any sooner.

Anyone who believes the response would have been better by anyone else is just foolish.

The virus seeded us from Europe early on. Once the virus entered and was dispersed across country…the rest is academic it was going to be what it was going to be.

Trump did f***up in ever allowing any of the shutdowns. They did NOTHING and totally f***ed the economy giving us the inflation of today.

I am not saying Trump did it better…I am just saying it would have been the exact same regardless who was POTUS. That statement about a million more dying is ignorant and not supported by any post pandemic data.

As I recall, Trump started all of the policies that Biden claimed credit for, with the exception of vaccine mandates- which he didn’t do because the vaccines weren’t available before he was out.


I sure wouldn’t be claiming Trump was superior on Covid, but Biden certainly didn’t distinguish himself either.

The whole Covid response shows how susceptible democracies are to fearmongering and not following actual science.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

Trump failed at Corona miserably. I don't see what Biden or Obama, John Adams or Eisenhower would have anything to do with anything. There's no need to mention Biden Corona response, as with Trump's, it was a disaster, we all know, we were there.

I can't imagine how any of us could consider Trump again after his last go around. The worst is the worst regardless political party affiliation.

Yes Jeff I know you and I agree.

Yes, Jeff and Scott, we agree far more often than not.

But you both know that I like to disagree, or consider other aspects, when it's warranted, IMO.

So, this post is considering other aspects.

Short story first: Today I finally got around to getting my senior flu shot and was going to get the Pfizer corona shot, but hesitated on that. Yes, the disinformation gets to me too, and causes doubt. The guy administering the shots, I quickly found out, with a few choice words, he is an anti-vaxxer and a Trumpster, but I repeat myself. He said he didn't get vaccines. I called him an anti-vaxxer, which he denied.

We briefly "discussed", sorta, the distinction of disinformation and misinformation. I pointed out that Trump is a prime example of spewing disinformation, and those who believe him are unreliable as to making such distinctions. His facial expressions said it all. but I commend him for keeping his mouth shut. A sign of a real professional. I said it's hard for me to believe that CDC and WHO would recommend the covid vaccine if there was a problem. He countered with what I think are conspiracy theories.

Anyway, I got the flu shot and skipped the covid shot. I plan to call by regular doctor's office Monday and ask for advice.

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I think we are going to get a new wave, perhaps pandemic, out of China. I hope the same scenario with the anti-vaxxers, and deniers doesn't prevail, but I'm sure it will, given what happened last time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...b968324433c43c&ei=12

Mystery illness breaks out in China sparking epidemic fears as WHO demands answers
Story by Emilia Randall & Anita McSorley & Fionnuala Boyle • 8h

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Originally posted by crbutler:

The whole Covid response shows how susceptible democracies are to fearmongering and not following actual science.

I see what you are saying, but disagree with your choice of words.

Here's how I would say it:

The whole Covid response shows how susceptible democracies some people are to fearmongering disinformation or affirmation of already belief and not following actual science.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

Trump failed at Corona miserably. I don't see what Biden or Obama, John Adams or Eisenhower would have anything to do with anything. There's no need to mention Biden Corona response, as with Trump's, it was a disaster, we all know, we were there.

I can't imagine how any of us could consider Trump again after his last go around. The worst is the worst regardless political party affiliation.

Yes Jeff I know you and I agree.

Yes, Jeff and Scott, we agree far more often than not.

But you both know that I like to disagree, or consider other aspects, when it's warranted, IMO.

So, this post is considering other aspects.

Short story first: Today I finally got around to getting my senior flu shot and was going to get the phisher corona shot, but hesitated on that. Yes, the disinformation gets to me too, and causes doubt. The guy administering the shots, I quickly found out, with a few choice words, he is an anti-vaxxer and a Trumpster, but I repeat myself. He said he didn't get vaccines. I called him an anti-vaxxer, which he denied.

We briefly "discussed", sorta, the distinction of disinformation and misinformation. I pointed out that Trump is a prime example of spewing disinformation, and those who believe him are unreliable as to making such distinctions. His facial expressions said it all. but I commend him for keeping his mouth shut. A sign of a real professional. I said it's hard for me to believe that CDC and WHO would recommend the covid vaccine if there was a problem. He countered with what I think are conspiracy theories.

Anyway, I got the flu shot and skipped the covid shot. I plan to call by regular doctor's office Monday and ask for advice.

=========================================================

I think we are going to get a new wave, perhaps pandemic, out of China. I hope the same scenario with the anti-vaxxers, and deniers doesn't prevail, but I'm sure it will, given what happened last time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...b968324433c43c&ei=12

Mystery illness breaks out in China sparking epidemic fears as WHO demands answers
Story by Emilia Randall & Anita McSorley & Fionnuala Boyle • 8h

You spread about as much disinformation as anyone I have seen.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by crbutler:

The whole Covid response shows how susceptible democracies are to fearmongering and not following actual science.

I see what you are saying, but disagree with your choice of words.

Here's how I would say it:

The whole Covid response shows how susceptible democracies some people are to fearmongering disinformation or affirmation of already belief and not following actual science.

You were probably the most susceptible to fear-mongering and disinformation on COVID as anyone I witnessed.