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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Maddow presents the facts that support her positions.

Carlson presents his positions as if they were facts.

So you noticed that too.

Did you also notice that most rightists here present their "positions" the same way Carlson does? I can't think of an exception, except that Lane is sometimes logical, by accident.

That's the way they sort out and relate to reality. That's what I've been trying to explain, as I see it.

It also explains a LOT.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Getting back to the OP…

I don’t think I’ve seen a less presidential holiday message by any president or even responsible adult.

It’s thanksgiving for crying out loud. Not a chance to air your grievances.

How any normal American can support the guy for POTUS is beyond me.

I grant he’s been treated badly by the media and the government at times, but are we trying to elect a teenager in chief?

Yet he’s leading the GOP primary.

OTOH at least the GOP has some members who feel their current standard bearer is a joke.

Don’t see too many Democrats willing to make the same concession.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Sell ads by creating a large audience Jeff?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Your facts are not my facts.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Kmz...?si=hrDECCHIJGvzRrJ4

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Maddow's reality peddling is sanity, simply because it's more in line with facts, evidence, presentation > sane conclusions.

Wow!!! You are on a roll today ME proving my assertions are exactly spot on!

Keep it up!!!

Of course every intelligent being knows the quote above is totally absurd.

It's not totally absurd, it's totally correct and anybody with a brain stem who has watched both shows knows it. I can't stand Maddow, stopped watching long ago....but her commentary is largely rooted in truth and reality unlike Carlson, who is a straight up liar and provocateur whose sole purpose in life is to line his pockets with cash made from suckers like you who take what he says as gospel. Next to Hannity, he's the worst of what the conservative news entertainment industry had to offer.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Russian collusion the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

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Russian collusion the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The myth is that Trump didn't collude with Russia.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This is sublime.

Trump argued in a legal filing that HE didn't erode American's confidence in elections, it was... those meddling Russians.

Link

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This is sublime.

Trump argued in a legal filing that HE didn't erode American's confidence in elections, it was... those meddling Russians.

Link

The same Russians he asked on live TV in a debate to meddle in our election?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This is sublime.

Trump argued in a legal filing that HE didn't erode American's confidence in elections, it was... those meddling Russians.

Link

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i see there being basically TWO ways to alter an election

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Well, the rules were changed…surely you don’t argue that.

Whether they were Constitutional or not is still subjective.

At first glance it seems they weren’t to me either…but a proper Constitutional scholarly court has not actually heard and ruled on them to my knowledge.

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After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost 62 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in 9 states (including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) and the District of Columbia.[1][2] Among the judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by Trump himself.[3]

Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence.[4] Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous"[5] and "without merit".[6][7] In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.[8] Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to “cure” their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes,[9] and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.[10]

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Well, the rules were changed…surely you don’t argue that.

Whether they were Constitutional or not is still subjective.

At first glance it seems they weren’t to me either…but a proper Constitutional scholarly court has not actually heard and ruled on them to my knowledge.

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Tucker is a shit stirrer no doubt and I don’t watch him accept on occasions on Twitter but I have never heard him state anything that wasn’t founded in some fact.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Tucker is a shit stirrer no doubt and I don’t watch him accept on occasions on Twitter but I have never heard him state anything that wasn’t founded in some fact.

The link you posted to his clip about Chauvin was packed so full of misinformation and untruth that I honestly wondered your account had been hijacked.

Even if you accept (and it seems a stretch - see the recent SC judgement) that his comments on Chauvin had some merit the assortment of other comments off topic were just laughable. "Fauci worked with the Chinese to create the virus" being one.

I couldn't conceive of anyone with a modicum of intelligence giving it any credence whatsoever.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Getting back to the OP…

I don’t think I’ve seen a less presidential holiday message by any president or even responsible adult.

It’s thanksgiving for crying out loud. Not a chance to air your grievances.

How any normal American can support the guy for POTUS is beyond me.

I grant he’s been treated badly by the media and the government at times, but are we trying to elect a teenager in chief?

Yet he’s leading the GOP primary.

OTOH at least the GOP has some members who feel their current standard bearer is a joke.

Don’t see too many Democrats willing to make the same concession.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Well, the rules were changed…surely you don’t argue that.

Whether they were Constitutional or not is still subjective.

At first glance it seems they weren’t to me either…but a proper Constitutional scholarly court has not actually heard and ruled on them to my knowledge.

I do not disagree there were changes. However, those changes were not illegal. On KY’s car, our state Constitution mandated changes when a state of emergency was declared. Without those changes and a reduction in polling places, the Dem Governor still beat, not that close, the Republican nominee for governor.

Courts all across the US ruled on it. You just do not like the outcome. Especially, the State Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Tucker is a shit stirrer no doubt and I don’t watch him accept on occasions on Twitter but I have never heard him state anything that wasn’t founded in some fact.

The link you posted to his clip about Chauvin was packed so full of misinformation and untruth that I honestly wondered your account had been hijacked.

Even if you accept (and it seems a stretch - see the recent SC judgement) that his comments on Chauvin had some merit the assortment of other comments off topic were just laughable. "Fauci worked with the Chinese to create the virus" being one.

I couldn't conceive of anyone with a modicum of intelligence giving it any credence whatsoever.

Most of the dialogue in that clip on Chauvin was from a prominent right-wing black community political commentator (can’t remember his name right now). In my opinion (and apparently Carlson’s and this black fellow’s), Chauvin did get a raw deal. The raw deal came from the vast pre-trial left-winged political commentary. The black man merely gave his opinion on how the Democratic Party tries to manipulate the black community using the crises (as well as Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin). I happen to agree with what the black fellow had to say.


The bit about about Fauci was hyperbole meant somewhat tongue in cheek. But it is an undeniable fact that 1) NIH funded research on “gain of function” in bat originated coronaviridae in China; and 2) Fauci emailed a group of prominent virologists asking to not speculate on a lab leak (even though the biochemistry pointed that direction) as a plausible origin. Further, 3) it nows seems the most likely theory of origin.

Thus, there is a lot of truth around an off the cuff tongue-in-cheek quip of “Fauci worked with the Chinese.”

I stand by my statement that Carlson is a shit-stirrer and I quit viewing regularly long ago but he doesn’t trade in made up theories.