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$787 million worth. https://www.foxdominionnews.co...NEAAYASAAEgId4_D_BwE -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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PBS never had to pay anybody $750 million for lying... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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 He is simply a slightly less liberal…liberal. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The simple definition of Bias is: "Bias is a disproportionate weight in favor of or against an idea or thing, usually in a way that is closed-minded, prejudicial, or unfair. Biases can be innate or learned." Bias is not necessarily misinformation or disinformation. It's not overlapping in definition. I don't dismiss Fox News simply because of bias, for example, but because they intentionally spew disinformation, or propaganda IOW - they lie with intent to sway and capture an audience for ratings. It is possible for the definition of "bias" to mean bias for requisitely associating facts and evidence with opinion, or truth. So, it's not far-fetched to say that PBS is bias for truth and accuracy, as opposed to FOX News is bias for whatever makes money and captures audience.
************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Everyone can indeed find something on the internet to support their POV. That is not persuasive regarding the credibility of such support. Both the support and the POV must be credible, and the only way to do that is with facts and evidence. Bias alone doesn't negate credibility. Everyone is bias to some degree about something. Some people are able to control it. Some people allow or depend on it to control them. I want both sides to be held to the same standards. But the problem is that one side holds to an ethical std, and the other not so much. As to your last sentence, it is my opinion that a person's inability to sort things out, despite bias, permeates his whole being, worldview, identity, with no real distinction between politics and professional life, regardless of skills, training, education. Dealing with bias or succumbing to it is a learned skill, either way, and it covers all bases.
************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Speaking of evidence - remind me - how many millions of dollars was it for Fox to settle that lawsuit for lying to their audience? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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if the shoe fits opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have never claimed that I wasn't bias nor have I claimed that my sources are neutral re bias. If I did, surly you would call me a liar. I'm saying that regardless of innate bias, it can be overcome with facts and evidence, and knowing when it's sufficient. I really resent the attempt to dismiss me and POV based on such lame reasoning, and especially being accused of disinformation without holding yourself accountable and respectful enough to show specifics. You just spew opinion, over and over. So, same to ya Jeffe - if the shoe fits. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I am not advocating for Fox News. I am merely stating that most of what you post as fact/reference is in fact left-wing propaganda. But, while you are at it…why don’t you post the exact quotes of the “lies” told by Fox commentators about Dominion voting machines. I am sure there must be some there there for them to settle but I have yet to see the exact quotes of the lies published anywhere. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That's not only not a fact, or false - it's a lie. Something I'm figuring out - slowly. It's futile to be reasonable, and logical with rightists. It's an experiment to just see if it is possible. The evidence suggests that it's a waste of time. I have been assuming too much - my bad. Thanks for the platform. Good night and good luck. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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We as a Nation have been through this chit before several times, with rightist propaganda and their projections. I know this is just a movie trailer, but it depicts the monster of belief, fear mongering, propaganda, lies, etc. And who caused the problem? Who had the courage and confidence to go up against it? https://youtu.be/Pv4s0wdDOK0?si=dMpmw4IkARKYo6hF Good Night, And Good Luck (2005) Official Trailer But this is the real thing: https://youtu.be/z6j6iTN7Tkw?si=9_14zb9kqVmYn3bQ More of the movie, but it's real enough and still relevant: https://youtu.be/G02CV-FdYAQ?si=-FOZP2Hu2wxQAeHR If this is propaganda, then so be it. This is so relevant today, in the era of Trump: https://youtu.be/BIkU4MMQZ54?si=DtsLUjprslpqR0Mb ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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this is what YOU need to figure out  opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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True, Jeffee. What makes you think, specifically, factually, that I don't have it figured out? Did you notice that the round thing labeled "truth" will fit in the square hole or the round hole? There will be some gaps around the edges of the square hole, but it still fits. The round hole is tight. "Truth" is rarely tight, if ever. It's malleable, as shown constantly every day herein. Reality is what it is, for us to figure out, with whatever tools we have and cultivate, including bias. Reality in itself is not bendable, only our perception of it, generally imperfect. "Truth" will always have some gaps around the edges. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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dude, you keep pointing to "true" while ignoring "truth" - no, seriously, i am not being (just) a jerk, you need to realize that 90% of what you post is POV true - but not TRUTH - which can be explained as bias if you vehemently exclude fox, but cling to left wing OPINION pieces, you are posting "true" but you reject truth. there's no edges or missing, it's about POV - don't WHINE about the tool, realize the truth opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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if you don't understand that "true" is a nuanced view of truth, well, i can't even begin to help opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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True!  The question is are you really trying to help? What you don't understand is that I'm not posting benchmarks of true or truth. That's futile. I'm posting mostly well supported opinion, my own and that of others which I mostly agree with. There will always be gaps around the edges. Take it for what it's worth. And intent counts. IMO, you and others dismiss the worthiness based on your own bias, and projections. Worthiness is in direct relation to the credibility of the author and the factual and evidence in support. Worthiness is not negated by bias alone being present, since that is always a variable. That variable is controlled as best it can be with facts and evidence support. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I still chuckle about the link Kabob posted on fascism. An opinion piece he was all excited about. The woman who penned it, wrote a money collum for a womens magazine. But Kabob agreed with it, so it made it a good article. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am here to help. >>>>>For all the interest in big-name witnesses and eye-opening private text messages, at the core of the defamation lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News are 20 specific broadcasts and tweets in which the voting company says Fox knowingly promoted lies, destroying its reputation. According to the lawsuit, all 20 statements took place between November 8, 2020, and January 26, 2021, and came in the form of on-air comments from Fox hosts Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo; interviews with prominent pro-Trump election deniers Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani and Mike Lindell; and several of Dobbs’ tweets. The wild allegations in the statements fell into four broad categories: that Dominion conducted election fraud, that it used algorithms to flip votes, that it had ties to Venezuela and that politicians received kickbacks to use the company. The judge overseeing the defamation trial has already ruled that these allegations were false, saying it is “CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true.” At trial, it will be a jury’s job to determine if the statements were made with “actual malice” – a high bar based on knowing falseness or having a reckless disregard for the truth – and potentially award damages. Dominion has asked for $1.6 billion in damages and additional punitive damages, a number Fox says is wildly overblown. Fox has denied wrongdoing and said the case is a meritless assault on press freedoms. Lawyers for Fox have argued that Dominion hasn’t come close to clearing the high bar to prove defamation. Here’s a closer look at those 20 specific broadcasts and tweets of alleged defamation. Broadcast 1: Bartiromo interviews Powell The broadcast: “Sunday Morning Futures” on November 8, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud and algorithm flips. Key false quote: “Sidney, we talked about the Dominion software. I know that there were voting irregularities. Tell me about that,” Bartiromo said. “That’s to put it mildly. The computer glitches could not and should not have happened at all,” Powell said. “That is where the fraud took place where they were flipping votes in the computer system or adding votes that did not exist.” Broadcast 2: Dobbs interviews Giuliani The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 12, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud and Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “So, we’re using a foreign company that is owned by Venezuelans who are close to – were close to (Hugo) Chávez, are now close to (Nicolás) Maduro, have a history. They were founded as a company to fix elections, they have a terrible record, and they are extremely hackable,” Giuliani said. Broadcast 3: Dobbs interviews Powell The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 13, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties, kickbacks. Key false quote: “Let’s start with Dominion, a straight out disavowal of any claim of fraud against the company, its software or machines. Your reaction,” Dobbs asked. “Well, I can hardly wait to put forth all the evidence we have collected on Dominion, starting with the fact it was created to produce altered voting results in Venezuela for Hugo Chavez and then shipped internationally to manipulate votes for purchase in other countries, including this one,” Powell said. “We also need to look at and we’re beginning to collect evidence on the financial interests of some of the governors and Secretaries of State who actually bought into the Dominion Systems … to line their own pockets by getting a voting machine in that would either make sure their election was successful or they got money for their family from it,” she added. “Well, that’s straightforward,” Dobbs said. “You’re going to have to be quick to go through and to produce that investigation and the results of it.” Broadcast 4: Tweet from Dobbs The broadcast: Quote-tweet by Dobbs of Giuliani tweet on November 14, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “Did you know a foreign company, DOMINION, was counting our vote in Michigan, Arizona and Georgia and other states,” Giuliani wrote. “Read all about Dominion and Smartmatic voting companies and you’ll soon understand how pervasive this Democrat electoral fraud is, and why there’s no way in the world the 2020 Presidential election was either free or fair. #MAGA @realDonaldTrump #AmericaFirst #Dobbs,” Dobbs wrote. Broadcast 5: Jeanine Pirro interviews Powell The broadcast: “Justice with Judge Jeanine” on November 14, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “It was created for the express purpose of being able to alter votes and secure the reelection of Hugo Chavez and then Maduro. They’ve used it in Argentina,” Powell said. “There is an American citizen who has exported it to other countries and it is one huge, huge criminal conspiracy that should be investigated by military intelligence for its national security implications.” “Yes. And hopefully the Department of Justice, but who knows anymore,” Pirro said. Broadcast 6: Bartiromo previews interview with Powell and Giuliani The broadcast: “Fox & Friends Sunday” on November 15, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties, kickbacks. Key false quote: “Sidney Powell is also talking about potential kickbacks that government officials, who were asked to use Dominion, actually also enjoyed benefits to their families,” Bartiromo said. “We’re going to talk about that coming up as well.” Broadcast 7: Bartiromo interviews Giuliani and Powell The broadcast: “Sunday Morning Futures” on November 15, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties, kickbacks. Key false quote: “We have sworn witness testimony of why the software was designed. It was designed to rig elections … We have so much evidence, I feel like it’s coming in through a fire hose,” Powell said. “Wow,” Bartiromo said. Broadcast 8: Dobbs interviews Powell The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 16, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “I’ve just gotten some stunning evidence from a firsthand witness, a high-ranking military officer, who was present when Smartmatic was designed in a way that – and I’m going to just read to you some of these statements, if you don’t mind, so I get them exactly right,” Powell said. “Sure,” Dobbs said. Powell continued, “From the affidavit, (Smartmatic was) ‘designed in a way that the system could change the vote of each voter without being detected.’” Powell also incorrectly claimed that Smartmatic owns Dominion. Broadcast 9: Dobbs interviews Giuliani The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 18, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “But I mean just the mere fact that we have a foreign country, we had this in a foreign country, done by friends of an enemy of the United States, Maduro, is outrageous and has to stop immediately,” Giuliani said. “It’s outrageous,” Dobbs said. Broadcast 10: Dobbs interviews Powell The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 19, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “Let me put it this way, there are thousands of people in federal prisons on far less evidence of criminal conduct than we have already against the Smartmatic and Dominion Systems companies,” Powell said. Broadcast 11: Pirro monologue The broadcast: “Justice with Judge Jeanine” on November 21, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “The President’s lawyers alleging a company called Dominion, which they say started in Venezuela with Cuban money, and with the assistance of Smartmatic software, a backdoor is capable of flipping votes,” Pirro said. Broadcast 12: Dobbs interviews Powell The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 24, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “We are just continuing to be inundated by evidence of all the frauds here and every manner and means of fraud you could possibly think of,” Powell said. “I think many Americans have given no thought to electoral fraud that would be perpetrated through electronic voting; that is, these machines, these electronic voting companies, including Dominion, prominently Dominion, at least in the suspicions of a lot of Americans,” Dobbs said. Broadcast 13: Dobbs interview with Powell The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on November 30, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, kickbacks. Key false quote: “Different states shaved different amounts of votes, or the system was set up to shave and flip different votes in different states,” Powell said. “Some people were targeted as individual candidates. It’s really the most massive and historical egregious fraud the world has ever seen.” Broadcast 14: Sean Hannity interviews Powell The broadcast: “Hannity” on November 30, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud and algorithm flips. Key false quote: “The machine ran an algorithm that shaved votes from Trump and awarded them to Biden,” Powell said. “They used the machines to trash large batches of votes that should have been awarded to President Trump. And they used a machine to inject and add massive quantities of votes for Mr. Biden.” Broadcast 15: Dobbs interviews Phil Waldron The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on December 4, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud and algorithm flips. Key false quote: “Dominion Voting Systems, you have described it with algorithms which were designed to be inaccurate rather than to be a secure system,” Dobbs said. “Give us your sense of who is driving all of this,” Dobbs asked Phil Waldron, a Trump supporter who worked with Powell and others to spread conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. Broadcast 16: Tweet from Dobbs The broadcast: Dobbs tweet with embedded document on December 10, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud and algorithm flips. Key false quote: “The 2020 Election is a cyber Pearl Harbor,” Dobbs wrote, embedding a document. “We have technical presentations that prove there is an embedded controller in every Dominion machine, that allows an election supervisor to move votes from one candidate to another,” the document stated. Broadcast 17: Dobbs interviews Powell The broadcast: “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on December 10, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud, algorithm flips, Venezuela ties. Key false quote: “Let me make you an offer, very straightforwardly,” Dobbs said. “We will gladly put forward your evidence that supports your claim that this was a Cyber Pearl Harbor. We have tremendous evidence already … of fraud in this election, but I will be glad to put forward on this broadcast whatever evidence you have, and we’ll be glad to do it immediately.” Broadcast 18: Tweet from Dobbs The broadcast: Dobbs tweet with embedded video of Powell interview on December 10, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud. Key false quote: “Cyber Pearl Harbor: @SidneyPowell1 reveals groundbreaking new evidence indicating our Presidential election came under massive cyber-attack orchestrated with the help of Dominion, Smartmatic, and foreign adversaries. #MAGA #AmericaFirst #Dobbs,” Dobbs wrote. Broadcast 19: Fox interviews Giuliani The broadcast: “Fox & Friends” with hosts Will Cain, Pete Hegseth and Rachel Campos-Duffy on December 12, 2020. What they alleged: Election fraud. Key false quote: “We have a machine, the Dominion machine, that’s as filled with holes as Swiss cheese and was developed to steal elections, and being used in the states that are involved,” Giuliani said. Broadcast 20: Tucker Carlson interviews Mike Lindell The broadcast: “Tucker Carlson Tonight” on January 26, 2021. What they alleged: Election fraud. Key false quote: “Every outlet in the country, they go, ‘Mike Lindell, there’s no evidence, and he’s making fraudulent statements.’ No. I have the evidence. I dare people to put it on. I dare Dominion to sue me because then it will get out faster. So, this is – you know, they don’t – they don’t want to talk about it,” Lindell said. “No, they don’t,” Carlson said. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17...legations/index.html -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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If I'm as reliable as a good watch - thanks for the compliment. It depends on your definition of propaganda. Whatever it is, it's flawed. The last video in the previous post, linked above, is a series of facts interwoven with logical inference. It is intended to persuade and counter an evil. I see no vile intent in the monologue, which I think is an accurate replication of what Murrow actually said on air. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Where does that put CNN and NBC/MSNBC? They both paid out to Nick sandman, who received death threats because of their news casts. Hell, Cat on here wanted to "punch him in the face" | |||
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Yeah, they shouldn't have paid that turd. He lost all of his cases against other media outlets. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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When they had the full video tape showing what really happened, they ran the story for a few more days on the original story. The others did not. CNN spokesman said, " we did not think it was worth the risk to go to trial" | |||
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There seems to be a lot going on with this debate. Really, I think it's not that complicated. But on second thought, maybe it is complicated. To show how complicated "Truth" can be: https://iep.utm.edu/truth/But for the sake of keeping it as simple as possible: First the definition of Truth: (from four different sources) "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality ." "Truth or Verity is the property of being in accord with fact or reality ." "The meaning of TRUTH is the body of real things, events, and facts ." " the real facts about a situation, event, or person" ============================================================================ Now here's another definition of Truth: "a fact or belief that is accepted as true." So, what is the definition of "belief"? "an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists." "trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something." "a feeling sure that someone or something exists or is true or trustworthy." ================================================================= For the concept of Critical Thinking, see: https://youtu.be/Cum3k-Wglfw?si=kIxDGkyYFWoIUt2- ================================================================= So, without rehashing a lot, my premise and conclusion is that we have seen a demonstration where claims have been made, such as accusations of disinformation, propaganda, etc. with no correlation to fact and reality. Specific examples of fact have been requested several times to allow the claimant to show basis for the claims. There is a reason that has not been forthcoming. I think there is such a thing as bias towards one's own competence. The Dunning–Kruger effect is an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...2%80%93Kruger_effect Another thing is the effect of "knowing" as a contradiction of critical thinking. The two concepts are in direct competition within the so called "true believers". They have conditioned themselves towards the "knowing" and away from critical thinking, a necessity for fundamental religious people and their self-identity. This thing with that fallacy, or cognitive bias, the connection of "knowing truth" for true believers, is it's not hard wired to facts, evidence, or reality, but it could be coincidentally when convenient and not challenging identity. So, we have seen demonstrations of Truth claims from the perspective of "Knowing" or intuition, and the inability to break away or through that cognitive trap of one's own design. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Mike please explain how Nick was a turd? At what point did he break a law? Oh, you might not like his hat or his positions, but where was he the bad actor here? Please, let's be based in reality here opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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If you watch the whole video, he did nothing. The black activist went off on the boys who were wearing MAGA hats. The indian went over and got in their ( sandman and the other boys) face. He still did nothing but stand there with a dumb look on his face. Most people would have pushed back on someone who gets in their space. Shit, MM sends threatening PM 's to other AR members, thats OK but standing there is not? Must be the hat. The same as people who claim a woman wearing a halter top and shorts is asking to be raped. The hat makes him a turd. Looking at Kabobs post, The fox reporters I know, no idea who lou Dobbs is, are all ratings whores. Tucker Carlson and Rachel Madcow are two of a kind. CNN and MSNBC ran the short video of Sandman for ratings. They had the full video by the same evening, and didnt change the story. It seems some on the various networks only care about 'theater" the BS that they can put out for ratings. I dont throw out all CNN or NBC newscasters. The same as I will watch links by Jennifer Griffen, Bret Baier and Brit Hume. All from Fox news and worth watching/listening to. Hume has been on every network since TV was invented, and doesnt change. | |||
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Well put! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That's almost funny. One has to think about that to see the irony, humor, absurdity, far-side and Truth of it. I'm sure both make/made a lot of money for themselves and their hosts. They both have lots of followers who mostly believe them. I suspect there's more money and ratings in lies than reality, given the type of people following and believing Carlson's spew. So, let's kinda boil it down. They are both peddling and spewing "Truths" supposedly, on opposite ends of the spectrum. Carlson an advocate of what Kellyann Conway called "alternate facts" vs Maddow closer to reality. It's how they derive the divergent "Truths" and present them that sets them apart. Carlson is very creative with alternate facts and presentation, with lies thrown in for good effect on the chosen/receptive audience. No doubt, Carlson relies on passion and feelings with a carefully twisted or partial fact or theory mixed in. That's the way his audience sorts out their realities, being the True Believer non-critical thinker types. Maddow is creative too in presentation and mixing in supporting evidence and facts, with an adequate dose of reality for good effect on the right audience. Maddow relies on mostly facts and evidence and counts on her listeners to appreciate it in contrast to Carlson. They are both selling reality. Carlson's reality peddling got him fired. And that type of reality has Trump as the frontrunner for the GOP nomination, plus all his indictments. It's also the cause of the dysfunction in the GOP House, Gym Jordon, MAGA Mike too, and all of MAGA. And cause for alarm among sane people. Maddow's reality peddling is sanity, simply because it's more in line with facts, evidence, presentation > sane conclusions. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Kabob to madcows rescue with, mostly, some, partial. Yeah, she's a winner. I believe them the exact same amount, zero. Hence, they are the same thing. | |||
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Wow!!! You are on a roll today ME proving my assertions are exactly spot on! Keep it up!!!  Of course every intelligent being knows the quote above is totally absurd.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I wonder what trump's Christmas message to the nation will be? I'm sure it will be uplifting and gratifying.  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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It's not totally absurd, it's totally correct and anybody with a brain stem who has watched both shows knows it. I can't stand Maddow, stopped watching long ago....but her commentary is largely rooted in truth and reality unlike Carlson, who is a straight up liar and provocateur whose sole purpose in life is to line his pockets with cash made from suckers like you who take what he says as gospel. Next to Hannity, he's the worst of what the conservative news entertainment industry had to offer. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Some of you are deciding how to part the hair on a flea. I just crush the flea. | |||
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Maddow presents the facts that support her positions. Carlson presents his positions as if they were facts. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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And she leaves out any that goes against her positions. You are trying to decide who is worse, China or Russia. | |||
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So you noticed that too. Did you also notice that most rightists here present their "positions"  the same way Carlson does? I can't think of an exception, except that Lane is sometimes logical, by accident.That's the way they sort out and relate to reality. That's what I've been trying to explain, as I see it. It also explains a LOT. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I thought you said you didn't listen to her, so how do you know she leaves out facts? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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