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Originally posted by ledvm:

You spread about as much disinformation as anyone I have seen.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
About 75% of you posts are disinformation. You will never recognize but it IS fact.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Your facts are not my facts.

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Distorted facts aren't fact.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Ledvm, from nearly the start of Covid and continuing today, you claim that herd immunity is the answer and that all preventive measures are bs. You loved touting Sweden as a great example of a country following your great epidemiological insights.

Norway and Denmark had decidedly different approaches than Sweden’s or your’s.

Compare Sweden’s results with the results from the other Scandinavian countries and get back to us.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Covid isn't gone, Scott. Several people I know have caught it the past few months, including my brother who caught it on a cruise ship in September

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Covid isn't gone, Scott. Several people I know have caught it the past few months, including my brother who caught it on a cruise ship in September

And what? What happened? Recovery?

I'm not dismissing the past severity, I know of a very healthy man who was killed by Corona.

But in 2023? Tell me how are the people you know? More than "Kungflu"? and no I'm not disrespecting you.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Covid isn't gone, Scott. Several people I know have caught it the past few months, including my brother who caught it on a cruise ship in September

And what? What happened? Recovery?

I'm not dismissing the past severity, I know of a very healthy man who was killed by Corona.

But in 2023? Tell me how are the people you know? More than "Kungflu"? and no I'm not disrespecting you.

In the week of Nov. 5-11 955 Americans died from Covid according to the CDC.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Covid isn't gone, Scott. Several people I know have caught it the past few months, including my brother who caught it on a cruise ship in September

And what? What happened? Recovery?

I'm not dismissing the past severity, I know of a very healthy man who was killed by Corona.

But in 2023? Tell me how are the people you know? More than "Kungflu"? and no I'm not disrespecting you.

In the week of Nov. 5-11 955 Americans died from Covid according to the CDC.

If true, where are the lockdowns?

Look to me from here like America is over Corona, I wouldn't know if that's good or bad.

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If my posts are mostly disinformation, it's not only my fault but that of VERY reliable sources and persons.

Here in lies the rub ME. The fact that you even wrote that^^^is telling. You don’t pick “very reliable” sources. You pick left slanted opinions most of the time with factoids. Hence why I quit reading and opining in your threads.

If you look at my posts, you will see foundations in facts and evidence, which support the opinions or inferences.

A total joke. I currently serve as a reviewer for a prominent scientific journal and have reviewed for 10 different ones in my career. Reviewers sort the established “fact” from theory and opinion. I have never seen ANYTHING you post to be based in fact.

I really and seriously think that my posts are not simply affirmations of what I already believe to be true.

News for you. That is EXACTLY what they are.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Ledvm, from nearly the start of Covid and continuing today, you claim that herd immunity is the answer and that all preventive measures are bs. You loved touting Sweden as a great example of a country following your great epidemiological insights.

Norway and Denmark had decidedly different approaches than Sweden’s or your’s.

Compare Sweden’s results with the results from the other Scandinavian countries and get back to us.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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If my posts are mostly disinformation, it's not only my fault but that of VERY reliable sources and persons.

Here in lies the rub ME. The fact that you even wrote that^^^is telling. You don’t pick “very reliable” sources. You pick left slanted opinions most of the time with factoids. Hence why I quit reading and opining in your threads.

If you look at my posts, you will see foundations in facts and evidence, which support the opinions or inferences.

A total joke. I currently serve as a reviewer for a prominent scientific journal and have reviewed for 10 different ones in my career. Reviewers sort the established “fact” from theory and opinion. I have never seen ANYTHING you post to be based in fact.

I really and seriously think that my posts are not simply affirmations of what I already believe to be true.

News for you. That is EXACTLY what they are.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I was traveling heavily in the late fall of 2019 speaking at international veterinary conferences. I got a horrible respiratory viral infection that tested negative for influenza. It took me to the end of February to totally recover. It started right after leaving Denver in early December of 2019.

When COVID came on the radar in early 2020…I wanted to get an antibody test but they weren’t available. I had my wife (who is also a veterinary technician) pull a couple of red-tops of blood on me and we harvested and froze the serum in hopes to test later. In 2021…I got my doctor to submit that serum for antibody testing and lo and behold…it was positive. Thus I became infected when COVID was background noise on the news.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
ME
If your facts are tainted with bias opinion ans don't include balancing facts, they aren't facts, they are propaganda

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Your facts are not my facts.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Your facts are not my facts.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
I am not going to waste time right this moment digging out and rereading a post of yours that was full of disinformation as the majority are. As I said, I have quit reading your posts as most are nothing but left-wing propaganda.

But rest assured I am on it now and will be pointing it out for you in the near future.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
I am not going to waste time right this moment digging out and rereading a post of yours that was full of disinformation as the majority are. As I said, I have quit reading your posts as most are nothing but left-wing propaganda.

But rest assured I am on it now and will be pointing it out for you in the near future.

Yea, yea. I can hardly wait.

When actually challenged to sort it out, as you claim to be an expert, it ain't nearly as easy as just blurting out opinion with no reference to supporting fact.

Go ahead, make my day.

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PBS Newshour Brooks and Capehart and other commentary where they have a liberal POV and a conservative POV on current topics?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

Trump failed at Corona miserably. I don't see what Biden or Obama, John Adams or Eisenhower would have anything to do with anything. There's no need to mention Biden Corona response, as with Trump's, it was a disaster, we all know, we were there.

I can't imagine how any of us could consider Trump again after his last go around. The worst is the worst regardless political party affiliation.

Yes Jeff I know you and I agree.

Yes, Jeff and Scott, we agree far more often than not.

But you both know that I like to disagree, or consider other aspects, when it's warranted, IMO.

So, this post is considering other aspects.

Short story first: Today I finally got around to getting my senior flu shot and was going to get the phisher corona shot, but hesitated on that. Yes, the disinformation gets to me too, and causes doubt. The guy administering the shots, I quickly found out, with a few choice words, he is an anti-vaxxer and a Trumpster, but I repeat myself. He said he didn't get vaccines. I called him an anti-vaxxer, which he denied.

We briefly "discussed", sorta, the distinction of disinformation and misinformation. I pointed out that Trump is a prime example of spewing disinformation, and those who believe him are unreliable as to making such distinctions. His facial expressions said it all. but I commend him for keeping his mouth shut. A sign of a real professional. I said it's hard for me to believe that CDC and WHO would recommend the covid vaccine if there was a problem. He countered with what I think are conspiracy theories.

Anyway, I got the flu shot and skipped the covid shot. I plan to call by regular doctor's office Monday and ask for advice.

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I think we are going to get a new wave, perhaps pandemic, out of China. I hope the same scenario with the anti-vaxxers, and deniers doesn't prevail, but I'm sure it will, given what happened last time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...b968324433c43c&ei=12

Mystery illness breaks out in China sparking epidemic fears as WHO demands answers
Story by Emilia Randall & Anita McSorley & Fionnuala Boyle • 8h

You spread about as much disinformation as anyone I have seen.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ebf4619d15c24a&ei=34

'I was dumbfounded': Bob Woodward reveals when Trump officials exposed his pandemic lies
Story by Matthew Chapman • 9h

Legendary Watergate reporter Bob Woodward opened up further about the "Trump Tapes" on MSNBC Friday with anchor Ari Melber, specifically documenting how he discovered Trump was lying to the public about the hazards posed by the COVID-19 pandemic.

"We've spoken about this. Now we're sharing it with viewers," said Melber. "What do you think this all shows?"

"It shows a negligence to a national security problem for the country, a national health problem," said Woodward. "And it turns out in the reporting — and this is on tape — that Trump National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and his deputy, Matt Pottinger, went to Trump in early January — that's the year that Trump is running for re-election — and O'Brien tells Trump, the coming virus will be the biggest threat, be the biggest national security threat to your presidency. Now, I've covered 16 national security advisers going back to Henry Kissinger and never heard that stark, dramatic warning that O'Brien gave. His deputy, Matt Pottinger, an expert on China, had been there seven years as a Wall Street Journal reporter, told the president, I have, president, I have contacts in the medical underground that tell me in China that this is going to come in a way that there will be 650,000 deaths. A wake-up call."

Upon learning this, said Woodward, "Trump ... spent months and months saying, oh, no, it's going to go away. So six months later, this is the moment you capture here where he says, oh, we've got it under control. and you can hear this in his own voice. And I say to him, under control? 140,000 people have died in this country since the virus, since it came. That's six months of no action."

"Was it clear from your access to him and those conversations at the time that he had absorbed some of these warnings?" asked Melber. "That he did know it was going to be that bad?"

"Well, it took me months to learn about the warnings from his national security advisers," said Woodward. "When I learned about it, I was dumbfounded. And we were in the middle of the crisis. And he still was not acting. This idea of, we have it under control, it was never under control. It intentionally was never under control. And the problem with Trump is, I think he looks at democracy as enemy territory, to be quite frank. Because that's the people. And he always wants it to be about him. And you listen to eight hours, and it's all about, oh, no, no, no, everything is fine, I know what I'm doing. And when you lay it all out, he did not know what he was doing, and he didn't care."

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
I am not going to waste time right this moment digging out and rereading a post of yours that was full of disinformation as the majority are. As I said, I have quit reading your posts as most are nothing but left-wing propaganda.

But rest assured I am on it now and will be pointing it out for you in the near future.

Yea, yea. I can hardly wait.

When actually challenged to sort it out, as you claim to be an expert, it ain't nearly as easy as just blurting out opinion with no reference to supporting fact.

Go ahead, make my day.

It will be a cake walk as you wear blinders and almost universally post disinformation, half-truths, or blatant propagandist opinion.

Kind of like this joke:

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PBS Newshour Brooks and Capehart and other commentary where they have a liberal POV and a conservative POV on current topics?

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PBS Newshour Brooks and Capehart and other commentary where they have a liberal POV and a conservative POV on current topics?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
I am not going to waste time right this moment digging out and reading a post of yours that was full of disinformation as the majority are. As I said, I have quit reading your posts as most are nothing but left-wing propaganda.

But rest assured I am on it now and will be pointing it out for you in the near future.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
I am not going to waste time right this moment digging out and rereading a post of yours that was full of disinformation as the majority are. As I said, I have quit reading your posts as most are nothing but left-wing propaganda.

But rest assured I am on it now and will be pointing it out for you in the near future.

Yea, yea. I can hardly wait.

When actually challenged to sort it out, as you claim to be an expert, it ain't nearly as easy as just blurting out opinion with no reference to supporting fact.

Go ahead, make my day.

It will be a cake walk as you wear blinders and almost universally post disinformation, half-truths, or blatant propagandist opinion.

Kind of like this joke:

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PBS Newshour Brooks and Capehart and other commentary where they have a liberal POV and a conservative POV on current topics?

And you actually think that you are pointing out disinformation?

That's the joke.

What exactly is it about this that's disinformation?

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PBS Newshour Brooks and Capehart and other commentary where they have a liberal POV and a conservative POV on current topics?

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Uh…the fact that there is zero conservative POV on PBS…EVER!

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The problem is that you choose to post an awful lot of lefty op-Ed articles and then claim that their opinion is based on “fact” which is an appeal to authority where your chosen authority is quite biased (and usually is a journalist who really doesn’t count as knowledgeable…)

As far as the PBS show, I’d actually characterize it as hard left POV and centrist POV. It’s also editorially constrained by the off air editors (left) choice of topics.

Is newshour better than most? Sure. But it is more or less center left, not truly centrist overall.

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Uh…the fact that there is zero conservative POV on PBS…EVER!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The problem is that you choose to post an awful lot of lefty op-Ed articles and then claim that their opinion is based on “fact” which is an appeal to authority where your chosen authority is quite biased (and usually is a journalist who really doesn’t count as knowledgeable…)

As far as the PBS show, I’d actually characterize it as hard left POV and centrist POV. It’s also editorially constrained by the off air editors (left) choice of topics.

Is newshour better than most? Sure. But it is more or less center left, not truly centrist overall.

Assuming what you say is true, or merely arguable; that's not validating the claim of disinformation.

There is no way PBS promulgates disinformation. Period.....

They MAY be bias and they may produce some misinformation, but it's not into the realm of disinformation.

No one with any sense at all can realistically make that same claim of Fox, for example. If one makes such a claim, he's a liar at worse or mistaken/deceived at best.

And, you are getting closer to what I'm asking for.

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"The problem is that you choose to post an awful lot of lefty op-Ed articles and then claim that their opinion is based on “fact” which is an appeal to authority".

I want you or someone to SHOW me where ANY opinion article that I post link to does not have good basis in fact or evidence.

I say the real problem is that you simply don't agree with the premises or inferences of my articles, due to your bias, and focus on that instead of looking at, sorting out facts or comparing known facts to see if the author is contorting or leaving out something important as basis.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
As I recall, Trump started all of the policies that Biden claimed credit for, with the exception of vaccine mandates- which he didn’t do because the vaccines weren’t available before he was out.


I sure wouldn’t be claiming Trump was superior on Covid, but Biden certainly didn’t distinguish himself either.

The whole Covid response shows how susceptible democracies are to fearmongering and not following actual science.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The problem is that you choose to post an awful lot of lefty op-Ed articles and then claim that their opinion is based on “fact” which is an appeal to authority where your chosen authority is quite biased (and usually is a journalist who really doesn’t count as knowledgeable…)

As far as the PBS show, I’d actually characterize it as hard left POV and centrist POV. It’s also editorially constrained by the off air editors (left) choice of topics.

Is newshour better than most? Sure. But it is more or less center left, not truly centrist overall.

Assuming what you say is true, or merely arguable; that's not validating the claim of disinformation.

There is no way PBS promulgates disinformation. Period.....

The “fact” that you believe that is fact^^^is why arguing with you is an exercise in futility. You just can’t see the forest for the trees.

They MAY be bias and they may produce some misinformation, but it's not into the realm of disinformation.

Here you go into la la land of semantics. Bias IS often times disinformation. Misinformation presented as the truth is disinformation.



No one with any sense at all can realistically make that same claim of Fox, for example. If one makes such a claim, he's a liar at worse or mistaken/deceived at best.

And, you are getting closer to what I'm asking for.

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"The problem is that you choose to post an awful lot of lefty op-Ed articles and then claim that their opinion is based on “fact” which is an appeal to authority".

I want you or someone to SHOW me where ANY opinion article that I post link to does not have good basis in fact or evidence.

I say the real problem is that you simply don't agree with the premises or inferences of my articles, due to your bias, and focus on that instead of looking at, sorting out facts or comparing known facts to see if the author is contorting or leaving out something important as basis.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

There is no way PBS promulgates disinformation. Period.....

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BTW, David Brooks self-identifies himself as conservative. Why would I or anyone doubt him?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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BTW, David Brooks self-identifies himself as conservative. Why would I or anyone doubt him?

Uh…because he is not???

Lots of liberals play the role of the conservative for these liberal outlets.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

There is no way PBS promulgates disinformation. Period.....

all sources are flawed, at times - i notice you HATE fox, but you'll quote opinion pieces of MSNBC -