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I see what the IDF are doing, but it is hard to exterminate rats when there are so many. Is there a solution or a way out? | ||
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There over 5 million Palestinians. All their homes have been destroyed and new ones built for illegally imported people. Then they are herded into glorified concentration camps. Hamas are hero’s to them! This sad tragedy will not stop until justice comes in! It started by the bloody Brits! To atone for the crimes of the West. November 2nd, 1917 Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet. "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely, Arthur James Balfour | |||
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Neither side is ever going to stop. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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A solution was proposed to establish a Palestinian State on the occupied West Bank and Gaza. NitanHitler refused! I can guarantee you there will be no peace there without the Palestinians getting their own country. Everywhere they are living now, in the concentration camps, everything is controlled by the New Nazi. Electricity, water, banking, Internet. Everything! Would any of you accept that after a foreign invader has taken over your homes?? | |||
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I'm not judging it one way or the other. The Palestinians certainly have their side of the story to tell. I'm just saying: these folks have been fighting and killing each other for over a hundred years. They're not ever going to stop. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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It is indisputable that Netanyahu has supported Hamas to prevent the Palestinians from uniting under the Palestinian Authority and being able to ratify a peace deal. He bragged about it a few years ago when he was facilitating the transfer of suitcases of cash from Qatar to Hamas officials. This is not a secret, just a reality some choose to ignore. As long as the leader of Israel needs the threat of Hamas to stay out of prison there will be no solution and Hamas will continue to use their single most effective weapon, dead Palestinian civilians. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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There was no killing before the illegal establishment of the Zionist Entity! | |||
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Well, things certainly ramped up in '48. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Saeed your grasp of history is woeful. I suggest you look up Irgun and Lehi. Lots of dead Arabs and British soldiers in the run up to Israeli statehood. Irgun was declared a terrorist organisation by the UN amongst others. That part of the world and specifically Gaza has been fought over by literally dozens of civilisations which have come and gone over the last 3-4000 years. The Egyptians, Philistines, assyrians, Egypt again, christians, mamelukes ottomans and probably a couple of dozen I've forgotten. The resultant people who now live in Gaza are a mishmash of ethnicities as each successive invader has left their genes there. | |||
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Sad to say but the solution to the middle east problem is pretty much what Israel is doing right now. Kill the ones that think they can fight it out, feed the rest afterwards. Peace in the middle east when a western flag is flying over Mecca. Macs B U.S. Army Retired Alles gut! | |||
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Not when the “leaders” of Hamas live in luxury and gain from the pain and suffering of the regular people. You have one side saying “Don’t Tread On Me” and the other side people getting rich yelling at people to tread on them. This mixed with the Orwellian phrase “Religion of peace” green lighting any horror they can bestow on Israel. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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And that's why I have little sympathy for them. | |||
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That will be an interesting day to see.... Let's hope. | |||
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A western flag over Mecca would not bring peace or an end to the fighting. Even the Romans with making a desert and calling it peace lost there in the end. Fundamentally it will be like the Irish issue. When both sides finally get tired of trading atrocities, then a solution can be found. | |||
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Uhhmm, no. Invasions don't lead to peace opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Until Palestinians are given their rightful independent statehood and they reconcile to the right of Israel to exist, peace will be a remote prospect. To those who harp only on Hamas, which is a terrorist organisation, of course, pay attention to the extremists in the other camp. They too want to kill innocents en masse for real estate. Just under a different god. "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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The People on both sides want peace; some leaders on both sides profit, materially, politically or both, from the status quo. I'm afraid the only way we'll see peace any time soon is if Netanyahu and his most fervent supporters are publicly hanged alongside the Hamas leadership. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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At this point…I would fill the tunnels with sea water, turn the surface of Gaza into rubble, bull-doze and barge it into the sea for some jetties or reefs, establish a solid border wall with Egypt, and invest in upgrading the Iron Dome and air force. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Mostly at US taxpayer expense, no doubt. | |||
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Exactly! A Zionist terrorist origination called Irgun was headed by a terrorist who became prime minister of the newly establish Nazis called Zionists! Look it up. Look up Deir Yassin. The first massacre by the Zionists against the Palestinians. It never stopped! I don't like the killing of innocents people, no matter who they are. But don't blame those who are fighting for their survival! Look who started all these inhuman atrocities. About time of calling a spade a spade! | |||
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Yep, then the West Bank... | |||
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I'll take a guess: Hamas should be treated like any other terrorist organization. There's nothing to negotiate or agree on, (see the Taliban,) they should be exterminated. On the other hand the Palestinians that seek peace and life should be afforded every opportunity. Give them their sovereign state. The Palestinians have plenty of historical records for homeland, give it to them. As for aid, how much money have we funneled directly into Ukrainian Oligarchs pockets?  Now my suspicion would be that a sovereign Palestinian state would make treaty agreements with the rest of the Islamic world and then would continue to be used as one of many jumping off points for terrorism and war as Syria and Lebanon currently is. Iran and Iraq, (is there any difference any more?) wouldn't have to sneak and war materiel into Palestine State, they'd truck it across the border to great fanfare and parades. The goal throughout the region is the extermination of Zion, the 21st century scattering of the Israelites. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diaspora | |||
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Why? Seems like folks should calm down and quit killing each other. The answer to why is don't ever sleep with the maid. Nothing good will come of it. | |||
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The ILLEGAL State of Israel was created by a terrorist orgenization. The head of which became its prime minister. Amazing how ignorant some of of history are! NitanHitler has always refused to agree to a Palestinian State! He cares more about his sorry arse and party than his people. Much like Trump! Who by the weay agreed to the Zionist state confiscating the Golan Heights. They named that illegal colony Trumpville! Kushner got a few millions as a backhander from NitanHitler 1 | |||
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Saeed, I have nothing but respect for your views and thank you for this wonderful forum where ideas can be shared, and this probably is a lesson to stay out of the political forum. But. Jews were in Palestine over 2,000 years ago. They were displaced. The Brits meddled as they often did and established a Jewish state. All they did was give folks back what they previously owned. The problem was, other folks thought they owned it. Not much different from what the Brits did in East Africa. The difference is the results. This all could have likely been prevented if Abraham hadn't slept with the maid 3,000 years ago, but here we are. It's not acceptable for Hamas to raid a festival and kidnap kids and old people and then execute them. That can't go without punishment whether you agree with the existence of Israel or not. The animals that did that clearly need to be exterminated, but the problem is what do you do with their children? When you kill them, their children are the next generation of Hamas. This is a do loop that needs to end, but both sides need to step back and think a bit. | |||
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I agree with you to a certain extent. But, the Palestinians have been there for thousands of years too. The Jews and them should be able to live together. That did not happen, as the Zionist agenda was to get rid of all the Palestinians, and replace them with Jews from all over the world. They both should be able to live together, as has been before the illegal declaration of the Zionists State. By the way, Israel is the most racist country on the face of this earth. Those living there for thousands of years are kicked out, and housed in concentration camps, so new illegal colonies can be built for imported Jews! Here is an example. | |||
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Then why are Arabs over 20% of the population? They make up almost twice as much of the Israeli population as Emirates do of UAE. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Saeed, what is shown in your link is wrong--a wrong being committed by Israel, which seems intent on settling occupied land. But there are two wrongs here. The events of last October still shock my conscience to recall. By continuing to support Hamas, the Palestinian people make themselves complicit in those crimes. It's difficult for me to sympathize much with people who are complicit in hideous crimes. I do feel sad for the children though, who have no say in crimes committed by their parents. | |||
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One thing I agree with you on Saeed is that we should all be able to live together. It's amazing that we can't seem to figure that out over millenia. Political or religious ideologies aside, we all have more in common than we have differences. We all want to raise our families and see our children have opportunities to succeed. That should be enough common ground for at least a start. But we cannot have terrorist attacks on the US, Israel, Ukraine, Burkina Faso, or elsewhere. That cannot be tolerated in any civilized society. | |||
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Atrocities started in 1948 by the New Nazis, called ZIONISTS. Never stopped since. But you only see about the 1% committed by the Palestinians. The 99% of atrocities you never hear about. Never stop since 1948. And will not stop, ever, until the Palestinians get their own recognized state. | |||
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Then that is like Hamas too. Same hatred and desire to murder innocents but under a different slogan. "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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Put Trump in Office and it all goes away!!! | |||
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 I don’t succumb to “murder of innocents” shaming. After what I saw on 10-7 and continue to witness through the execution of 5 hostages minutes before rescue…I see clearly the mission for Israel — exterminate Hamas leaders AND followers at all costs. That is what I would do if in Netanyahu’s shoes and I will support political support for him to continue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Pretty much the approach from both sides since 1948, kill everyone who does not agree with you. Both sides have committed atrocious behavior, it won't stop until the Palestinians have a State of their own. Netanyahu does not want peace or a cease fire deal, he craves power and needs to avoid the resumption of his corruption trial. A total mess and the US taxpayers get the bill. Disgusting on all levels. | |||
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I don’t buy into that argument. Haven’t observed that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Take your blinders off then. The murder of innocent civilians at the hands of the Israeli state has been occurring since 1948. Atrocious behavior, both sides engage in it. | |||
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Shaming is meant for those who have it. Not for those blinded by ideology/religion/fill your poison of choice. Details, facts, history,nuances, etc., do not matter. Us Vs Them is enough logic to kill on a wholesale manner. Try looking up the official policy as espoused and pursued by Netanyahu to fund and support Hamas so that the Two-State solution can be prevented from coming to fruition. He boasted about it and campaigned on that platform. He still continues to prolong this slaughter so that he will not be brought trial and answer for his failure to prevent the dastardly attack by Hamas. Do you actually try to educate yourself about issues before calling for the murder of entire communities? "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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Lane - I agree and stand with you. This argument is reminiscent of the Japanese in WWII - who was the aggressor? Who murdered Chinese, Korean, Filipino, Malay , Australians, New Zealanders and Americans? Then felt the ultimate hammer at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? To destroy evil, the response must be so severe that the evil cannot raise up again…. Hamas, Hezbollah, and others are this evil! | |||
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Two respected news sources from IsraeL on how Netanyahu propped up Hamas. https://www.haaretz.com/israel...42-abef-57ff1be90000 https://www.timesofisrael.com/...own-up-in-our-faces/ There are many more reports on this topic. You can Google them. "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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