The problem is that the same people now blaming the generic Left for Kirk's shooting are the same people who HRC called deplorable.

They are the same people who were and are being preyed upon, deceived willingly, to the detriment of us all, by people like Hannity and of course Trump, Flynn, and WikiLeaks, and the Russians, and by Kirk.

https://www.nytimes.com/intera...media/pizzagate.html

Dissecting the #PizzaGate
Conspiracy Theories
By GREGOR AISCH, JON HUANG and CECILIA KANG DEC. 10, 2016

And another thing:

Does anyone else see the irony and hypocrisy of the Right's saying; "Guns don't kill people. People do."

All the while, talking about guns designed to kill people.

Yet these same people are quick to blame the left as a whole for one person pulling the trigger.

I wish the finger pointing was disappointing, but it isn't. I certainly expected it.

The finger pointing is expected and disgusting.

The topic being discussed should be "why are we doing this?" Why are we attempting to assassinate Trump, Charlie, SCOTUS, Minnesota legislators, school kids, neighbors and night club patrons? Why are we at each other's throats to the point of murder?

In this nation it isn't a matter of religion or race. I'm sure it's not one single issue, it's not just violent video games or labeling political opponents as the enemy, but the "Melting Pot" of hate has gone too far.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I wish the finger pointing was disappointing, but it isn't. I certainly expected it.

The finger pointing is expected and disgusting.

The topic being discussed should be "why are we doing this?" Why are we attempting to assassinate Trump, Charlie, SCOTUS, Minnesota legislators, school kids, neighbors and night club patrons? Why are we at each other's throats to the point of murder?

In this nation it isn't a matter of religion or race. I'm sure it's not one single issue, it's not just violent video games or labeling political opponents as the enemy, but the "Melting Pot" of hate has gone too far.

Hi Scott -

Hope you're well. Your post is essentially exactly what I have been parroting. We as Americans have far more in common than that which divides us, yet the hate continues to escalate.

I stated just two days ago in here that we are headed for some level of civil conflict in this nation. the usual characters made fun of it.

Sen.Lee was asking for prayer for Kirk, but when the couple that was murdered in Minnesota he said “That is what happens when Marxist don’t get their way”.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Sen.Lee was asking for prayer for Kirk, but when the couple that was murdered in Minnesota he said “That is what happens when Marxist don’t get their way”.

Please show receipts. If he said it, its available.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by wymple:
Sen.Lee was asking for prayer for Kirk, but when the couple that was murdered in Minnesota he said “That is what happens when Marxist don’t get their way”.

Please show receipts. If he said it, its available.

Easy as a quick google search Steve.

The phrase "This is what happens when Marxists don't get their way" was posted on social media by Utah Senator Mike Lee in June 2025, in reference to a fatal shooting in Minnesota. The statement drew strong criticism for politicizing the tragedy and mischaracterizing the suspect, who reportedly held right-leaning views. The incident, and the ensuing fallout, provide context for the phrase's use.
The Minnesota shooting incident
On June 14, 2025, a gunman killed a Democratic state lawmaker, Melissa Hortman, and her husband in their home in Minnesota.
The suspect, Vance Boelter, was later arrested.
Reports indicated that Boelter had a "hit list" of Democratic elected officials, and authorities described the murders as an act of "targeted political violence".
Senator Lee's social media post
Shortly after the attack, Senator Lee posted images of the suspect, Boelter, to his personal account on X (formerly Twitter).
The post was captioned: "This is what happens When Marxists don't get their way". Lee also referenced Minnesota's Democratic Governor, Tim Walz, in a follow-up post.
These posts were later deleted.



https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...g/story?id=122930819



https://www.politico.com/live-...ts-mike-lee-00409329

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by wymple:
Sen.Lee was asking for prayer for Kirk, but when the couple that was murdered in Minnesota he said “That is what happens when Marxist don’t get their way”.

Please show receipts. If he said it, its available.

Easy as a quick google search Steve.

The phrase "This is what happens when Marxists don't get their way" was posted on social media by Utah Senator Mike Lee in June 2025, in reference to a fatal shooting in Minnesota. The statement drew strong criticism for politicizing the tragedy and mischaracterizing the suspect, who reportedly held right-leaning views. The incident, and the ensuing fallout, provide context for the phrase's use.
The Minnesota shooting incident
On June 14, 2025, a gunman killed a Democratic state lawmaker, Melissa Hortman, and her husband in their home in Minnesota.
The suspect, Vance Boelter, was later arrested.
Reports indicated that Boelter had a "hit list" of Democratic elected officials, and authorities described the murders as an act of "targeted political violence".
Senator Lee's social media post
Shortly after the attack, Senator Lee posted images of the suspect, Boelter, to his personal account on X (formerly Twitter).
The post was captioned: "This is what happens When Marxists don't get their way". Lee also referenced Minnesota's Democratic Governor, Tim Walz, in a follow-up post.
These posts were later deleted.



https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...g/story?id=122930819



https://www.politico.com/live-...ts-mike-lee-00409329

https://www.theguardian.com/us...ting-melissa-hortman


He said it and it was fucked up thing to say, shame on him.

I asked wimple for the receipt since he made the claim. I RARELY don't provide links that support my position or statements. Usually from one left source, one right source and one that is considered centrist.

I would have replied with a link, but I don't sit in one place on here all damn day & others quickly beat me too it.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I wish the finger pointing was disappointing, but it isn't. I certainly expected it.

The finger pointing is expected and disgusting.

The topic being discussed should be "why are we doing this?" Why are we attempting to assassinate Trump, Charlie, SCOTUS, Minnesota legislators, school kids, neighbors and night club patrons? Why are we at each other's throats to the point of murder?

In this nation it isn't a matter of religion or race. I'm sure it's not one single issue, it's not just violent video games or labeling political opponents as the enemy, but the "Melting Pot" of hate has gone too far.

What's this "we" shit?

I'm certainly not among the "we" advocating violence or indoctrination as a solution.

And the blaming of the Left is finger pointing isn't it?

If it's not clear that Trump promotes hate, then something is wrong with your reality.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
I stated just two days ago in here that we are headed for some level of civil conflict in this nation. the usual characters made fun of it.

I didn't read that when you say you initially posted it. I've been saying likewise for some time too.

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About two weeks ago my far right cousin showed me a list of trans people who committed mass shootings. There were 7 or 8 on the list. He was using the so-deemed info to justify his hate of trans people.

He is/was very passionate about it.

Now I know where he got that from.

Anyway - fact check:

https://www.politifact.com/art...otings-gun-violence/

Are trans people ‘statistically’ more prone to commit gun violence? Data shows a different picture

Excerpt:

"If trans persons are 1% of the general population, but only 0.17% of the population of mass shooters, then they are under-represented in this group," said Laura Dugan, Ohio State University of human security and sociology professor.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ns_...?si=3GYYvQg962i6533z

Charlie Kirk's final moments before deadly shooting at Utah event

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I wish the finger pointing was disappointing, but it isn't. I certainly expected it.

The finger pointing is expected and disgusting.

The topic being discussed should be "why are we doing this?" Why are we attempting to assassinate Trump, Charlie, SCOTUS, Minnesota legislators, school kids, neighbors and night club patrons? Why are we at each other's throats to the point of murder?

In this nation it isn't a matter of religion or race. I'm sure it's not one single issue, it's not just violent video games or labeling political opponents as the enemy, but the "Melting Pot" of hate has gone too far.

What's this "we" shit?

I'm certainly not among the "we" advocating violence or indoctrination as a solution.

And the blaming of the Left is finger pointing isn't it?

If it's not clear that Trump promotes hate, then something is wrong with your reality.

You're one of the worst offenders here.

M.E., you habitually de humanize, denigrate and insult here. Your rhetoric normally surpasses any language that could be considered diplomatic or discuss able.

"We" includes you.

I haven't said it before, but now you pissed me off.

I make a point to NOT dehumanize people. That's against my nature.

So, either you are a liar or mistaken. Which is it?

Give me an example of what you're accusing me of.

Do you even know what dehumanizing is?

https://youtube.com/shorts/EGr...?si=FlepEJeYgMtLW6mn

Donald Trump Threatens Radical Left Calling Them Vermin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
Dehumanization

In fact, the Rightists blaming the generic Left is dehumanizing.

Stephen Miller calling all democrats domestic terrorists is dehumanizing rhetoric.

Another way to look at it is Deplorable as a noun could be dehumanizing while deplorable as an adjective isn't. That's a simple explanation of how I see it. So, HRC was wrong, IMO, to use the word as a noun, but correct to use it as a descriptive adjective for human behavior.

What a horrible few days. That poor Ukrainian girl being massacred on the subway the other day. Watching Charlie Kirk get shot to pieces. My god, his poor wife and little children. It seems like the world has tilted off it's axis and nobody knows how to correct it.

I have this sinking feeling that there is more to come.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
He was an INFLUENCER!

Which means he lied to get paid.

This is apparently from him.


did charlie kirk say it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians
Conservative political commentator Charlie Kirk never explicitly stated that it is okay to stone gay people, minorities, or non-Christians. However, reports indicate that he has used biblical references to imply that homosexuality is an "abomination" deserving of death, though he did not directly call for violence.
Interpreting Kirk's comments
Controversial biblical interpretations: A Hindu article on Kirk's recent assassination states that he "famously cited Leviticus: 18 from the Bible, implying the gay community should be, 'stoned to death'". The use of such scripture has been widely interpreted as a call for violence by his critics, though Kirk never explicitly endorsed it.
Criticism of LGBTQ+ community: Kirk routinely criticized what he called the "LGBTQ agenda" and claimed it was harming children. He also supported Supreme Court rulings that legalized discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals and called for "Nuremberg-style trials" for doctors providing gender-affirming care.
Anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric: Kirk frequently promoted anti-immigrant views and used inflammatory rhetoric against Muslims. A day before his death, he posted on social media that "Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America". He also promoted unfounded notions that Islam was "conquering" Western countries through migration.
Views on racial issues: The Al Jazeera news service reports that Kirk had, on some occasions, criticized the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Lives Matter movement. He was also documented as promoting the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory.

What of that isn't true?

So now,you only want Christians to quote the politically correct parts of the bible?

You are okay with grooming children towards a homosexual,lifestyle?

You are okay with chemical castration of children?

There is a lot to criticize about the civil rights movement, like what it has done to the black nuclear family..

Saeed you are so out of touch with American society that you have no clue.

You are from one of the most conservative societies on the planet.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
What a horrible few days. That poor Ukrainian girl being massacred on the subway the other day. Watching Charlie Kirk get shot to pieces. My god, his poor wife and little children. It seems like the world has tilted off it's axis and nobody knows how to correct it.

I have this sinking feeling that there is more to come.

I fear you are correct! And it is the wrong answer.....

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
What a horrible few days. That poor Ukrainian girl being massacred on the subway the other day. Watching Charlie Kirk get shot to pieces. My god, his poor wife and little children. It seems like the world has tilted off it's axis and nobody knows how to correct it.

I have this sinking feeling that there is more to come.

Excellent post.

I couldnt agree more Mike, well said.
Kabob, everyone has different limits as to what may "incite" others. That you piss yourself at the thought of someone knowing who you are, shows you know what you say could incite others.
Who knows what every individual out there's limit is. We dont, that is for sure, yet we still talk shit to an audience of unknowns on the internet. Others do it on air, or in person.
All anyone has to do if they dont like it is, dont listen, or read, what bothers you.
As Mike said, that poor kid on the subway. She did nothing, but the nut in back of her said after stabbing her, "there I got her" Just for what, Being a white girl? Maybe having an accent? Or even sitting in front of him? Everyone seems to take issue over something that sets them off.

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M.E., you habitually de humanize, denigrate and insult here. Your rhetoric normally surpasses any language that could be considered diplomatic or discuss able.

That is so far from his MO that it's laughably stupid.

Well, from the wiki page kabob presented.
Debasing individuals identities is dehumanizing.
His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.
I dont give a rats ass, but dont lie about it and claim it's not.

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His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.

What about calling people TDSers? Isn't that dehumanizing?

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Originally posted by wymple:

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M.E., you habitually de humanize, denigrate and insult here. Your rhetoric normally surpasses any language that could be considered diplomatic or discuss able.

That is so far from his MO that it's laughably stupid.

Can you say that again without laughing?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.

What about calling people TDSers? Isn't that dehumanizing?

If I agree that it is, Does that make MEs actions any better? I after all dont see anyone else denying their own actions.

hitler pointed the communists the ennemy of his state ... seem the supreme leader is pointing the democrats as the new enemy of the state and some here are parotting and supporting that idea ...

just for memory never in your history some leftits or humanists has been killed for their ideas and ideals? by of course some right wingers ...

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.

What about calling people TDSers? Isn't that dehumanizing?

If I agree that it is, Does that make MEs actions any better? I after all dont see anyone else denying their own actions.

Unlikely "if." I've never seen you criticize anyone for calling people TDSers.

I have seen you get in fights with ME, so I dismiss your comments as arising from personal bias.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
It’s clear from your posts your new name is Dildo.

Dildo Daggins?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.

What about calling people TDSers? Isn't that dehumanizing?

Technically, no. Especially when used with mirth.

I’ve had a lengthy hiatus from the ARPF and it’s been good.
I figured an event as pivotal as the killing of Charlie Kirk warranted a brief return.

You guys don’t disappoint, that’s for sure.

I’d invite you all, right and left, to go and watch videos of CK and decide whether you want to demonize or lionize him for yourselves.

As a father of school aged children who have friends of all political/ideological persuasions, I must say, that you older guys on the left are grossly underestimating the gravity of his assassination.

You think his influence on the 2024 election was significant? You haven’t seen the anything yet.
Young people are tired of the rancor that my generation and the generation before me has so latched onto.
For many of you, if your children or grandchildren read what you post on the ARPF, they would rightly be embarrassed at the least and more rightly disgusted at how you comport yourselves.
Whether you realize it or not, Charlie Kirk spoke to your children and grandchildren in a way you never have.

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I'm sorry he got shot, but let's not get carried away and call him a martyr.

Don

Although I too disagreed with him about Israel, technically, yes. He is a martyr.

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noun
One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.
One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle.
One who endures great suffering.
"a martyr to arthritis."
One who makes a great show of suffering in order to arouse sympathy.
One who, by his death, bears witness to the truth of the gospel; one who is put to death for his religion.
"Stephen was the first Christian martyr"
Hence, one who sacrifices his life, his station, or what is of great value to him, for the sake of principle, or to sustain a cause.
transitive verb
To make a martyr of, especially to put to death for devotion to religious beliefs.
To inflict great pain on; torment.

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I’ve had a lengthy hiatus from the ARPF and it’s been good.
I figured an event as pivotal as the killing of Charlie Kirk warranted a brief return.

You guys don’t disappoint, that’s for sure.

I’d invite you all, right and left, to go and watch videos of CK and decide whether you want to demonize or lionize him for yourselves.

As a father of school aged children who have friends of all political/ideological persuasions, I must say, that you older guys on the left are grossly underestimating the gravity of his assassination.

You think his influence on the 2024 election was significant? You haven’t seen the anything yet.
Young people are tired of the rancor that my generation and the generation before me has so latched onto.
For many of you, if your children or grandchildren read what you post on the ARPF, they would rightly be embarrassed at the least and more rightly disgusted at how you comport yourselves.
Whether you realize it or not, Charlie Kirk spoke to your children and grandchildren in a way you never have.

well i listened to him and was impress when he told in gerogia donald trump is the best to create deals in the world and it was in 2024 ... if your kids and grandkids are believing this there is no hope ...

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seem the supreme leader is pointing the democrats as the new enemy of the state and some here are parotting and supporting that idea

Nah…I been saying that since long before Trump ever thought about running for President…besides that…it’s fact.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.

What about calling people TDSers? Isn't that dehumanizing?

If I agree that it is, Does that make MEs actions any better? I after all dont see anyone else denying their own actions.

Unlikely "if." I've never seen you criticize anyone for calling people TDSers.

I have seen you get in fights with ME, so I dismiss your comments as arising from personal bias.

That's one way not too answer the question. But thats OK, It was a question to make a point and I think you understood the point by the way you deferred.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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seem the supreme leader is pointing the democrats as the new enemy of the state and some here are parotting and supporting that idea

Nah…I been saying that since long before Trump ever thought about running for President…besides that…it’s fact.

If you're going to denigrate your political opponents with language traditionally used by fascists ("enemy of the state"), don't complain if someone calls you a fascist.

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His favorite thing to do is call people Trumpsters and fascists. That by definition is dehumanizing.


What about calling people TDSers? Isn't that dehumanizing?

I don't think either of those examples meets the definition.

The way I understand it, human behavior or beliefs, individuals or groups, criticized or called out, is not dehumanization.

Calling people vermin is, for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization

Excerpt:

Dehumanization is widely understood as a psychological mechanism that facilitates violence and inhumane treatment.[1] It plays a central role in justifying harm by removing the moral consideration typically granted to human beings, thereby weakening psychological restraints such as compassion and empathy.[11]

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I have never used terms such as Trumpsters to facilitate or justify or weaken restraints or encourage violence.

And I think labeling Democrats, as a group, extremists terrorists is dehumanization.


Question: Does Trump use dehumanizing language?

Answer:

News organizations, human rights groups, and academic studies have documented Donald Trump's use of language that analysts and critics describe as dehumanizing toward immigrants and political opponents. This rhetoric has been a consistent feature of his public comments and rallies since his first presidential campaign.

Dehumanizing language toward immigrants
"Animals": On multiple occasions, including in 2018 and again during his 2024 campaign, Trump has referred to immigrants as "animals". In 2018, the White House stated he was referring to the MS-13 gang, but Trump has since reiterated the comment in a broader context.

"Poisoning the blood": In late 2023, Trump claimed that immigrants crossing the border were "poisoning the blood of our country". Critics have compared this language to rhetoric used by Adolf Hitler.

"Aliens" and "infest": During his 2018 presidency, he used the term "aliens" to refer to non-citizens and claimed that illegal immigrants "infest" the country. His proposed rhetoric for a second term includes instructing immigration agencies to use the term "alien," a word the Biden administration had avoided.

Fictional claims: In the 2024 presidential debate, Trump falsely claimed that Haitian immigrants were "eating the pets" of people in Ohio.

Academic analysis: A Purdue University study analyzing speeches from the 2016 election found that Trump made 464 dehumanizing comments toward immigrants, refugees, and asylum-seekers, compared to a total of 0–8 made by all other candidates combined.

Language toward political opponents
"Vermin": Trump has vowed to "root out" his political opponents, whom he has referred to as "vermin". Critics, including historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat, compare this rhetoric to language used by fascist leaders like Mussolini.

"Enemies of the state": In his 2024 campaign, he ramped up references to his opponents as "enemies," using phrases like "vermin" and calling for "judgment day" for those he sees as part of the "deep state".

Personal insults: He has frequently used insulting and derogatory language to describe opponents, such as calling former advisor Omarosa Manigault Newman a "dog" and Vice President Kamala Harris a "low-IQ individual".

Effects of this rhetoric

Academic research: Studies from institutions like Boise State University have shown that exposure to dehumanizing language can increase anger and disgust toward immigrants and lead to more support for restrictive immigration policies.

Impact on communities: Immigrant communities have reported feeling particularly targeted and dehumanized by Trump's rhetoric.

Echoes of fascism: Historians and political science experts note that this kind of dehumanizing language is part of a pattern seen in authoritarian movements, where opponents and marginalized groups are cast as subhuman to justify violence and aggressive policies.

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I don't think either of those examples meets the definition.

The way I understand it, human behavior or beliefs, individuals or groups, criticized or called out, is not dehumanization.

Calling people vermin is, for example.

MAGATS comes to mind…

I’ve been watching CNN for the last hour.
I hope it’s not lost on you that it is the anniversary of the 9-11 attack yet 100% of the coverage is in the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Quite telling…

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I'm sorry he got shot, but let's not get carried away and call him a martyr.

Don

Although I too disagreed with him about Israel, technically, yes. He is a martyr.

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"a martyr to arthritis."
One who makes a great show of suffering in order to arouse sympathy.
One who, by his death, bears witness to the truth of the gospel; one who is put to death for his religion.
"Stephen was the first Christian martyr"
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transitive verb
To make a martyr of, especially to put to death for devotion to religious beliefs.
To inflict great pain on; torment.

Yeah, the right-wing effort to put Kirk forward as some reasonable middle-of-the roader martyr will end pretty quick in the next few news cycles. He was a bomb-thrower, a provocateur, said all kinds of stupid anti-semitic and racist shit and he reveled in it and was getting rich from it. This is truth. Not a justification for his murder but the idea that he deserves awards for his anti-American activism is nuts.

Steve as I recall when the MN legislator and spouse were killed, your crowd was calling my commentary as false equivalence.

I did bring it up, and did condemn the violence.

ME was front and center in stating I was “the master of false equivalence” as mjines also said regarding my positions.

You collectively recall the Dems stating that we need to stop the demonizing and calm political discourse… yet within a week, Governor Walz was making veiled comments about Trump and calling for a karmic result.

I can’t begin to recall how many times I’ve called ME to stop with the Nazi comparisons, and others taking the left side have said that shooting neo Nazis is “good”.

Both sides are to blame.

The right has its pro life zealots who feel this is justified defense of life, and the left seems to continually make veiled comments about violence to the right.

Of course, I made a mistake today and listened to some of the replacement guys for Limbaugh. They were in full blown the right does nothing like this and the left is to blame for Kirk’s death… it sounded like one of them was a relatively close friend with Kirk and definitely feels the left and its name calling is to blame while ignoring the right.

BTW, supposedly they found the rifle (a Mauser .30-06, if I recall the radio report right) and they were saying that the cartridges had messages written on them, and there was pro LBGTQ supporting messages written on the rifle.

This is evidently (barring false flag crap) a pretty good sign it is a cowardly lefty nut that did this.

I don’t think the majority of democrats are in favor of violence, but a vocal minority are and the leadership isn’t making it clear it is something they are going to get rid of from the party.

And honestly, the GOP hasn’t been willing to disavow the problematic pro life folks, either.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by wymple:
"where were you bleeding hearts in June when
when two Democratic Minnesota state lawmakers—Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and state Sen. John Hoffman—and their spouses were shot in their homes. Hortman and her husband, Mark, were both killed."

I still haven't seen any response to this. Perhaps the outrage over political murders isn't genuine if you're only going to go wild when it's one of your own.

Equally horrible and not a peep out of the right here on ARPF about those murders.

Politically motivated violence is wrong, no matter who commits it or what party they support.

Terrible what happened in both MN and UT.

Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

memory is not the forte of the supporters of the cult of the supreme leader ...

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

Surprises me you would ask this. You know the answer. He espoused their hateful rhetoric. Didn't deserved to get shot for it but there it is.