Here's something interesting, at least.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...dbB?ocid=socialshare

Charlie Kirk assassination "had professional hallmarks": Security experts
Story by Theo Burman • 15h •
3 min read

Excerpt:

The murder comes against the backdrop of bitter political divisions within American society with Alex Goldenberg, a senior adviser to the anti-extremism Network Contagion Research Institute, telling Newsweek the U.S. has an "emerging assassination culture."

Mike,
You rank in the upper echelons of the most hateful people posting on ARPF. You rarely make a civil post.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

look the hero they are celebrating:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Mike,
You rank in the upper echelons of the most hateful people posting on ARPF. You rarely make a civil post.

You're right and I am going to try to do better. Although I suspect that listening to hypnotized cult members like you will make it difficult.

The only celebration I see is the left gleeful of a public execution of an innocent man in front of his wife and kids.

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

look the hero they are celebrating:

quote:

You're right and I am going to try to do better. Although I suspect that listening to hypnotized cult members like you will make it difficult.

Once you get out of the echo chamber you’ll have a better prognosis.

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
The only celebration I see is the left gleeful of a public execution of an innocent man in front of his wife and kids.

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

look the hero they are celebrating:

there are HUNDREDS on the left, celebrating a political, 1a advocates death - there's a place in LA that would be perfect for them - I used to be close friends with the warden, the place is called Angola -

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
The only celebration I see is the left gleeful of a public execution of an innocent man in front of his wife and kids.

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why is he being treated as a NATIONAL HERO?

How many senseless victims died that day in America?

How come no one mentions them?

The Ukrainian girl in the train springs to mind!

What we see here is what fuels HATE!

Totally one sided reaction.

look the hero they are celebrating:

there are HUNDREDS on the left, celebrating a political, 1a advocates death - there's a place in LA that would be perfect for them - I used to be close friends with the warden, the place is called Angola -

between celebrating a death and making an hero there is a gap as usual that you have no problem to fill ...

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I never heard of this man before.

Just now I see that he has turned his extreme right wing views into money making machine!

WOW!

What a society!

Adios you POS,,,,,

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Here's something interesting, at least.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...dbB?ocid=socialshare

Charlie Kirk assassination "had professional hallmarks": Security experts
Story by Theo Burman • 15h •
3 min read

Excerpt:

The murder comes against the backdrop of bitter political divisions within American society with Alex Goldenberg, a senior adviser to the anti-extremism Network Contagion Research Institute, telling Newsweek the U.S. has an "emerging assassination culture."

The sad things people will say to get their ounce of fame.

It wasn't professional in any way! A guy climbed on a roof 200 yards away, in full sight of people and cameras, and fired an easy shot at a stationary, unarmed, innocent man.
Looking at the angle, the really sad thing is the edge of his armour probably deflected the projectile into him. An inch lower and it would have saved him. If it had not of been there at all he would likely have survived a very poorly aimed shot.
Its just a pathetic person who has lost their humanity who decided to murder someone.

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:

quote:

You're right and I am going to try to do better. Although I suspect that listening to hypnotized cult members like you will make it difficult.

Once you get out of the echo chamber you’ll have a better prognosis.

Another cult member. Examine your own prognosis you stupid asshole.

Someone mentioned that this is the right wing equivalent of BLM celebrating and making a hero of a career criminal!

Well they would be wrong.
As far as I know hes never committed a crime.

He was doing something that everyone who chose to participate in, had the free will to walk away and not be part of.

Like it or loath it he is a victim of a senseless act.

Theres no comparison with George Floyd etc.

I think there are too many people here getting high in their own moral superiority. That’s what led a person to murdering an innocent man for having an opinion different from his. Literally the theme was “Prove me wrong”. He was there to debate and debated thousands of people. He was the Johnny Appleseed of debate. I think he was wrong about several things of importance but this used to be a free country until the radicals decided that speech and opinions have to be within their own constantly evolving pale of orthodoxy. The left has normalized the thinking that opinions and debate make someone worthy of death. Has the left become a death cult now?!?!?! Denounce this or it will spread like a cancer. Don’t make excuses or moral equivalencies for the murderers of innocent peoples. The left are howling with delight like hyenas and want a French Revolution with heads in baskets for those people who speak up about their convictions. Let them have opinions! Nobody was forced to attend a debate! Speak your mind on trans people! Speak your minds on abortion! Speak your minds on being gay! But please for the love of humanity speak out against killing innocent men in front of their family for having an opinion.

The issue to me is whether he deserves to be lionized, knighted, and honored by flags at half-mast (as a few of my neighbors are doing).

Based on his propaganda and outright lies, I say no.

Before you argue about whether he told actual lies... I know the difference between a lie and an opinion. Saying the 2020 election was stolen is not an opinion; it is false and therefore a lie.

Saying that homosexuals should be stoned is an opinion--but a repulsive one. And an incitement to violence. Most of the opinions he uttered, as posted above, are also repulsive.

What is wrong with America today that we elect criminals and besaint repulsive liars?

Does it affect you if some people want to lionize him?

Ok, Pop quiz to everyone!

1. Do opposite opinions bother you?
2. Did Charlie Kirk deserve to die?
3. Do you condone his death?
4. Did you hope for him to be murdered?

If you answered “yes” to any of these questions, please take responsibility for your intolerance and seek help or yourself till your happiness does not depend on others opinions being your own.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Mike,
You rank in the upper echelons of the most hateful people posting on ARPF. You rarely make a civil post.

You're right and I am going to try to do better. Although I suspect that listening to hypnotized cult members like you will make it difficult.

I always chuckle when I see someone try to be humble with a snarky comment. My original point proven.

But to humor your allegation…I will just say this: I was advocating for the views of Donald Trump long before Donald Trump even seriously entertained running for President. The same circumstance for Charlie Kirk. I have been advocating his views since before he was born.

quote:

Saying that homosexuals should be stoned is an opinion--but a repulsive one. And an incitement to violence. Most of the opinions he uttered, as posted above, are also repulsive.

Speaking of lies…he (Charlie) never said it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/RMr...?si=mmDupxkCePufjsxv

At least he gets it and I disagree with him on almost everything.

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
https://youtube.com/shorts/RMr...?si=mmDupxkCePufjsxv

At least he gets it and I disagree with him on almost everything.

Yup, that should be everyone's reaction to political violence, no matter who commits it.

https://youtu.be/v3dMHioD-uQ?si=HvKU93wFO6uEV9r4

Suspect in Charlie Kirk's shooting is in state custody

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Saying that homosexuals should be stoned is an opinion--but a repulsive one. And an incitement to violence. Most of the opinions he uttered, as posted above, are also repulsive.

Speaking of lies…he (Charlie) never said it.

Speaking of lies and liars:

What Kirk said
Several publications have reported that Kirk cited the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13—which calls for the execution of homosexuals—as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".

Some reports directly state that Kirk "believed that gay people should be stoned to death".

In one podcast episode, Kirk was noted to have quoted scripture about homosexuality as an "abomination" deserving death.

Broader anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric
This rhetoric was part of a larger pattern of anti-LGBTQ+ commentary from Kirk throughout his career.

He often referred to the LGBTQ+ community as the "LGBTQ agenda" and claimed it was harming children.

He actively campaigned against gender-affirming care and argued that there are only two genders.

Last month, Kirk posted on X (formerly Twitter) that it should be legal to burn a rainbow flag.

==============================================


Leviticus 20:13 is a biblical verse that discusses sexual relations between men and prescribes the death penalty for it, calling the act an "abomination". The text varies slightly across different translations. The New International Version (NIV) describes the act as "detestable," while the English Standard Version (ESV) and King James Version (KJV) use the term "abomination," and all three versions mention the death penalty.

This verse is part of the Holiness Code in Leviticus, which lists offenses punishable by death under Mosaic Law.

The Hebrew term for "abomination" (to'evah) refers to practices forbidden to the Israelites.

Interpretations of Leviticus 20:13 vary. Some view it as a timeless prohibition against homosexual acts, while others place it in its historical context.

==============================================

In another thread you used the Bible New Testament verse John 8:7 as some sort of mitigating factor:

Kirk never mentioned it as such when referring to the Old Testament verse. He considered homo an abomination for which there is no forgiveness.

And it isn't about queers. It's about adultery and forgiveness. It's apples and oranges.


John 8:7 is the verse from the story of the woman caught in adultery, where Jesus says to her accusers, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her".

The full passage in John 8:1–11 describes how the scribes and Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery to Jesus. Under Mosaic law, the punishment for adultery was stoning. The religious leaders hoped to trap Jesus by asking him for his judgment. If he told them not to stone her, they could accuse him of violating the Law. If he said to stone her, they could accuse him of contradicting his own teachings of mercy.

Instead, Jesus ignored them and began writing on the ground with his finger. When they persisted in questioning him, he stood up and delivered his now-famous line, challenging the person without sin to cast the first stone.

As the accusers heard this, they were "convicted by their own conscience" and left one by one, from the oldest to the youngest, until Jesus was alone with the woman. Jesus then told her, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on, sin no more".

Interpretation and meaning
A challenge to hypocrisy: The statement directly exposed the hypocrisy of the religious leaders. By bringing only the woman and not the man, and by setting a public trap for Jesus, they showed their concern was not for justice but for their own motives.

Universal sinfulness: Jesus's words are a profound reminder that all people are sinners. He made it impossible for any of the accusers to pass judgment on the woman, because to do so would require them to ignore their own sinfulness.

Mercy over judgment: The story is a powerful lesson on grace and compassion. Jesus, the only one without sin and therefore the only one with the moral authority to condemn her, instead offered the woman mercy. He condemned her sin but forgave the sinner.

A call to repentance: While Jesus showed mercy, he did not excuse the woman's sin. His final command, "Go, and sin no more," was a clear call for her to repent and change her life.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Saying that homosexuals should be stoned is an opinion--but a repulsive one. And an incitement to violence. Most of the opinions he uttered, as posted above, are also repulsive.

Speaking of lies…he (Charlie) never said it.

Speaking of lies and liars:

What Kirk said
Several publications have reported that Kirk cited the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13—which calls for the execution of homosexuals—as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters".

Some reports directly state that Kirk "believed that gay people should be stoned to death".

In one podcast episode, Kirk was noted to have quoted scripture about homosexuality as an "abomination" deserving death.

Broader anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric
This rhetoric was part of a larger pattern of anti-LGBTQ+ commentary from Kirk throughout his career.

He often referred to the LGBTQ+ community as the "LGBTQ agenda" and claimed it was harming children.

He actively campaigned against gender-affirming care and argued that there are only two genders.

Last month, Kirk posted on X (formerly Twitter) that it should be legal to burn a rainbow flag.

==============================================


Leviticus 20:13 is a biblical verse that discusses sexual relations between men and prescribes the death penalty for it, calling the act an "abomination". The text varies slightly across different translations. The New International Version (NIV) describes the act as "detestable," while the English Standard Version (ESV) and King James Version (KJV) use the term "abomination," and all three versions mention the death penalty.

This verse is part of the Holiness Code in Leviticus, which lists offenses punishable by death under Mosaic Law.

The Hebrew term for "abomination" (to'evah) refers to practices forbidden to the Israelites.

Interpretations of Leviticus 20:13 vary. Some view it as a timeless prohibition against homosexual acts, while others place it in its historical context.

you are trying to exchange with the followers of the cult of the supreme leader that does not happen different opinions nor getting any discussion with a different vision even with proper evidences ... and soon what they thought was a hero/martyr will discover was full of hates but most of them agree with the whole list i posted and that tells a lot where we are now ...

for memory here a small list of things he said and all of that was made with no hate and such love ...

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Mike,
You rank in the upper echelons of the most hateful people posting on ARPF. You rarely make a civil post.

You're right and I am going to try to do better. Although I suspect that listening to hypnotized cult members like you will make it difficult.

I always chuckle when I see someone try to be humble with a snarky comment. My original point proven.

But to humor your allegation…I will just say this: I was advocating for the views of Donald Trump long before Donald Trump even seriously entertained running for President. The same circumstance for Charlie Kirk. I have been advocating his views since before he was born.

So, you've been seriously misguided and wrong your entire life? Is that what you're saying?

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

you are trying to exchange with the followers of the cult of the supreme leader that does not happen different opinions nor getting any discussion with a different vision even with proper evidences ... and soon what they thought was a hero/martyr will discover was full of hates but most of them agree with the whole list i posted and that tells a lot where we are now ...

I saw in another thread that Lane tried to mitigate by claiming the need to understand the Bible as a whole, and referred to John 8:7.

So, I added that verse to my above post, showing the disconnect.

I'm not really trying to convince Lane since that's practically impossible.

So, what's responding to him about?

He basically leaves no options except to make him wrong with evidence and using his own arguments doing so.

I would rather engage in discussion to sway but this thread and others show how futile that is. It's been clear for a long time, but all this bantering about Charlie Kirk really shouldn't be a surprise. Except that it is a surprise somewhat because it highlights the hard core of the hateful True Believers.

It's shocking but at the same time we should be grateful for the reality they expose with their hate passions.

If you don't know how deep the rabbit hole really is, then you really don't know the danger of delving therein.

quote:

But to humor your allegation…I will just say this: I was advocating for the views of Donald Trump long before Donald Trump even seriously entertained running for President. The same circumstance for Charlie Kirk. I have been advocating his views since before he was born.

quote:

So, you've been seriously misguided and wrong your entire life? Is that what you're saying?

What Lane said there is the truth.

And importantly, it's the truth for many herein, and some I know personally.

Kirk was an affirmation machine. He preyed upon these people, and it costs us all.

It's their self-ID, and they will hold onto it and enhance it at all costs to themselves and others

The best analogy is cult.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

But to humor your allegation…I will just say this: I was advocating for the views of Donald Trump long before Donald Trump even seriously entertained running for President. The same circumstance for Charlie Kirk. I have been advocating his views since before he was born.

quote:

So, you've been seriously misguided and wrong your entire life? Is that what you're saying?

What Lane said there is the truth.

And importantly, it's the truth for many herein, and some I know personally.

Kirk was an affirmation machine. He preyed upon these people, and it costs us all.

It's their self-ID, and they will hold onto it and enhance it at all costs to themselves and others

The best analogy is cult.

They pick and they choose. I find it amusing that Lane wants to talk about how he was a big believer in trump from way back....I guess that includes when trump was a pro-choice game-show host?

Some guys they fly home in Air Force 2 and drop the flags to half staff for…and some guys they don’t. Go figure.

https://m.facebook.com/story.p...l&id=100044480621925

Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Huvius:

quote:

You're right and I am going to try to do better. Although I suspect that listening to hypnotized cult members like you will make it difficult.

Once you get out of the echo chamber you’ll have a better prognosis.

Another cult member. Examine your own prognosis you stupid asshole.

Oh, believe me, I have!
And I say a prayer of thanksgiving every day that I’m not like you.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

Being gay is OK as long as you're a conservative? Listen, Charlie Kirk was entitled to his opinions but he was anti-LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is...thought they shouldn't be allowed to marry, shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, etc. Again, that's fine...have that viewpoint if you like....but, don't argue it's not intolerant, divisive and hateful. His whole schtick was to make racist, incendiary and sexist comments.

AGAIN, that doesn't mean he should be murdered because he was an asshole. But, he was an asshole.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

Being gay is OK as long as you're a conservative? Listen, Charlie Kirk was entitled to his opinions but he was anti-LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is...thought they shouldn't be allowed to marry, shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, etc. Again, that's fine...have that viewpoint if you like....but, don't argue it's not intolerant, divisive and hateful. His whole schtick was to make racist, incendiary and sexist comments.

AGAIN, that doesn't mean he should be murdered because he was an asshole. But, he was an asshole.

Is that what he said? Or.Is that what you choose to read into what he said?

What I saw was that he said humanity was more important than sexual orientation. That if pressed on his religious beliefs then he didn't agree with it, but that there were more important things like study and role in society.

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
Good Grief Charlie Brown!

If you watch the videos where he quote Leviticus, hes been challenged about what the bible says and what role tradition plays in his modern belief.
Hes often said he dosnt follow the Old Testament.

Context matters. Ive seen him on a number of occasions clarify.

And

When asked directly about inclusion of gays in his community, here's his response.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z-cSpjEKfGk

People need to stop trying to interpret everything through either blind faith, or misguided hate.

Being gay is OK as long as you're a conservative? Listen, Charlie Kirk was entitled to his opinions but he was anti-LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is...thought they shouldn't be allowed to marry, shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, etc. Again, that's fine...have that viewpoint if you like....but, don't argue it's not intolerant, divisive and hateful. His whole schtick was to make racist, incendiary and sexist comments.

AGAIN, that doesn't mean he should be murdered because he was an asshole. But, he was an asshole.

Is that what he said? Or.Is that what you choose to read into what he said?

What I saw was that he said humanity was more important than sexual orientation. That if pressed on his religious beliefs then he didn't agree with it, but that there were more important things like study and role in society.

Again, and maybe you agree with him on these issues since you don't seem to get that what I am saying is that it is intolerant and hateful to tell gay people that it is wrong for them to get married. Or that letting them adopt children is wrong. It's not. Where is the humanity in those viewpoints?

You are finding reasons to justify the misrepresentation I addressed.

Intolerant, yeah probably. Is there actually that much wrong with that if someone is saying yeah I dont agree with your lifestyle but welcome anyway?

hateful, no. That's part of the problem where people are nowadays taking way too much offence at others.

Look as I first stated, I think there is issues with his concept.

But the hyperbole from both halves in this is pretty pathetic.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

seem the supreme leader is pointing the democrats as the new enemy of the state and some here are parotting and supporting that idea

Nah…I been saying that since long before Trump ever thought about running for President…besides that…it’s fact.

They prove it almost daily!

We have always looked at them as idiots, they look at us as the enemy!

Has Trump called Democrats enemy?

https://www.google.com/search?...cNubSRfyHCtw&csuir=1

Yes, Donald Trump has referred to Democrats as "the enemy from within". These remarks were made during his 2024 presidential campaign and have been directed at Democrats who have opposed him, such as Representative Adam Schiff and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Has Trump used the term Enemy of the People?

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Yes, Donald Trump has used the phrase "enemy of the people," calling the news media that term multiple times, including 36 times on Twitter between January 2017 and October 2019. This information is detailed in a report by the Committee to Protect Journalists, as noted by Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...times%20on%20Twitter.

Are you saying CK said mean stuff so you are;
1)glad someone killed him?
2)think there should be no punishment for the murderer?
3)got what he deserved and others should be killed too?
4)everyone should have everything they said in their entire life judged by you or whoever is the keeper of the ever changing what is acceptable for extrajudicial execution in front of their wife and kids?

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you are trying to exchange with the followers of the cult of the supreme leader that does not happen different opinions nor getting any discussion with a different vision even with proper evidences ... and soon what they thought was a hero/martyr will discover was full of hates but most of them agree with the whole list i posted and that tells a lot where we are now ...

Ok, assuming he said this and meant this and worse, is he a criminal? Does he deserve public extrajudicial execution in front of his wife and kids?

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
for memory here a small list of things he said and all of that was made with no hate and such love ...

Both sides are being disingenuous.

They both have continually vilified anyone who does not agree with them, and claim that “the other guys” are purveying hate and calls for violence.

The only Charlie Kirk I’ve ever heard is quotes now that he’s dead. He pretty clearly did not agree with the progressive left, but I never heard him call for violence either- just a voice on the further right side of the spectrum.

The quote by Warren that was made here is classic of the politicians… “the other guy!”

Sorry, but Warren has pull only over the left. She has a duty to get them calmed down.

Trump has a duty to get them on the right calmed down.

I don’t see either making any attempt.

Is Kirk a national hero or martyr? No. I don’t get that. But he was a victim of political violence. We have put flags at half staff for that before. No issue with that.

The lefties here need to take a serious look at themselves providing justification for the act. I don’t see many currently approving of this assassination, but I don’t see absolute condemnation either.

I also don’t see the folks on the right here saying the right things to calm things down, either. They seem to be exclusively blaming the left when political polarization takes at least two sides.

Let’s just agree that Kirk didn’t deserve to get shot, and both sides extreme political rhetoric contributed to it happening.