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Originally posted by wymple:
"where were you bleeding hearts in June when
when two Democratic Minnesota state lawmakers—Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and state Sen. John Hoffman—and their spouses were shot in their homes. Hortman and her husband, Mark, were both killed."

I still haven't seen any response to this. Perhaps the outrage over political murders isn't genuine if you're only going to go wild when it's one of your own.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I don't understand why Rightists blame the Left for this murder.

Please explain.

you are an IDIOT -- do you POSSIBLY think ANYONE on the right Assassinated Charlie?

You are a waste of gravity and an oxygen thief -

Keep going SCUM .. you might remember the SCUM days? not a THING has changed, you WORTHLESS MAGGOT

Well, actually, I think that post explains it.

Roland thinks it's a victim syndrome. I think it's deeper than that and more scary.

I think the shooter was a crazy person who deserves the full force of the rule of law, and doesn't represent a political ideology at all.

OTOH, the HATE from the Right does represent their ideology, crazy too but on a larger scale.

blah blah blah -- maggot .. scum .. it's a lefty psycho that killed charlie . and your pathetic self wan'ts to argue about it ...

it costs you NOTHING to STFU -- you might save your ebt

you are disgusting - you are a worthless "human:" .. i an an agnostic, but i PRAY the rest of your days, and if there's an eternity, i "pray" it's a living hell ...

i HATE you .. there's 3 people on that list, and you just made it

WOW

I truly wish you wouldn't prove me right, especially on this.

And you didn't quote part of my post:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

OTOH, the HATE from the Right does represent their ideology, crazy too but on a larger and more immediate existential scale.

Most likely the shooter is a victim of his own delusions. It's not much different compared to the Rightist's delusions prompting the hate and blame in their us vs them cult.

I’m glad you quoted that since I have Jeff on ignore. What an absolutely juvenile and asinine string of rubbish vitriol. Ironic, have a conversation about hate speech encouraging irrational behavior, some nitwit uses actual hate speech in the conversation. Such great behavior by a “moderator”. Pathetic.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Nick Freitas, Rep in VA House of Delegates:
I am told that as a state representative this is the moment where I'm supposed to express my heartfelt condolences and then stand in solidarity with those on the other side of the aisle as we condemn political violence and stand unified as one people.

But we aren't "one people" are we?

The truth is we haven't been for some time now, and there is really no point in pretending anymore, if there ever was.

We are two very different peoples. We may occupy the same piece of geography, but that is where the similarities seem to abruptly end.

I convinced myself for a long time that whenever the left called me a racist, a bigot, a sexist, a fascist, a "threat to democracy" for even the most innocent of disagreements, that it was simply hyperbolic rhetoric done for effect.

And now the "effect" is a widow and two orphaned children, because the left couldn’t bear the thought of a peaceful man debating them and winning.

I don’t think they realize it yet, but murdering Charlie is going to be remembered as the day where we finally woke up to what this fight really is.

It’s not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen. It’s a war between diametrically opposed worldviews which cannot peacefully coexist with one another. One side will win, and one side will lose.

Charlie tried to win that fight through argumentation, through discussion, through peaceful resolution of differences.

And the other side murdered him.

Not because he was “extreme” or “inciting violence” or any other hyperbolic slur they hurled at him. They murdered him because he was effective. Because he was unafraid. Because he inspired others and made them feel like they had a voice, that they were not alone. And he did it at the very institutions which have fomented so much hatred toward conservatives.

I don’t want to “stand in solidarity” with the other side of the aisle. I want to defeat you. I want to defeat the godless ideology that kills babies in the womb, sterilizes confused children, turns our cities into cesspools of degeneracy and lawlessness…and that murdered Charlie Kirk.

Social media is aflame right now with leftist celebration of Charlie’s death.

I wonder if any among them understand what has just happened. If there is a Yamamoto somewhere in their midst warning, that all they have done is awoken a sleeping giant.

I doubt it. I think they gave up such introspection and self-awareness long ago.

I don’t know exactly what will happen next. I just know that it won’t be the same as what has happened in the past.

There will be thoughts and prayers…Charlie would have wanted prayers. Not for himself but for those left behind and for the country that he loved.

But then there will be a reckoning.

My Christian faith requires me to love my enemies and pray for those who curse me. It does not require me to stand idly by in the midst of savagery and barbarism...quite the opposite.

So every time I feel tired, every time I feel discouraged or overwhelmed, I am going to watch the video of a good man being murdered in Utah…I will force myself to watch it…and then I will return to the work of destroying the evil ideology responsible for that and so much more.

Rest with God Charlie, your fight is over.

Ours is just beginning.

https://x.com/nickjfreitas/sta...927877926432868?s=46

Truer words never spoken.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

That's a "good people on both sides" arguement. While others might have differing , multifaceted points of view.

I am complaining about an assassination, not heated conversation

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

That's a "good people on both sides" arguement. While others might have differing , multifaceted points of view.

I am complaining about an assassination, not heated conversation

That post was directed at ME.

Still, the point is valid. Political violence, on the left or the right, is simply wrong.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

That's a "good people on both sides" arguement. While others might have differing , multifaceted points of view.

I am complaining about an assassination, not heated conversation

That post was directed at ME.

Still, the point is valid. Political violence, on the left or the right, is simply wrong.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
When you demonize a person for his political beliefs how can you NOT expect this type of stuff???????


.

Isn't that what your stupid hero does non stop!?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

That's a "good people on both sides" arguement. While others might have differing , multifaceted points of view.

I am complaining about an assassination, not heated conversation

That post was directed at ME.

Still, the point is valid. Political violence, on the left or the right, is simply wrong.

Yes.

We can all agree on this.

But, reports in the Net basically say he is a political INFLUENCER!

Hence deserve sympathy??!!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I never heard of this man before.

Just now I see that he has turned his extreme right wing views into money making machine!

WOW!

What a society!

Family, Free Speech, and Don't kill the unborn for convivence ? You good, bro?

"extreme" you mean ANY reagan republican? fine, color me in the same brush -- the guy isn't hateful, and tries to engage with radical left CHILDERN ...

damn it, really, stop

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why are people making such a fuss about this senseless murder?

How many people were murdered on the same day in America?

Some for as silly as missing an item in a McDonald's order.

Or a poor girl travelling on a train and gets murderer for no reason what so ever!.

And the stupid politicians who DEFEND the knifeman!

Blame the society you all created!

Thee selfish society where everyone's ailments are blamed on others.

never look in the mirror see yourselves in the proper light!

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Originally posted by sjr:
Want to know why so many youth showed up to hear Charlie Kirk speak?
Because he was one of the few adults willing to listen to them and answer their questions when everyone else simply told them what to think. He was articulate and thought provoking in a time where the differing opinion is silenced.
Our youth are not dumb. They are inquisitive and curious and have an intuition to know what’s wrong and that’s right and when something simply doesn’t make sense.
We do not give them enough credit, yet Charlie gave them the mic!
Whether you agree with Charlie Kirk or not is a moot point.
Every day he modeled dialogue that is hard to find these days
He showed up
He asked questions
He answered every person who comes up to the mic (without censorship or cherry picking)
He was kind
He was respectful
He was patient
He was articulate
He held to his convictions
He knew where he stood and could point back to it every single time without wavering
He was doing the job WE ALL SHOULD—
Modeling respectful dialogue and disagreement in a time where very little exists.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

That's a "good people on both sides" arguement. While others might have differing , multifaceted points of view.

I am complaining about an assassination, not heated conversation

That post was directed at ME.

Still, the point is valid. Political violence, on the left or the right, is simply wrong.

Yes.

We can all agree on this.

But, reports in the Net basically say he is a political INFLUENCER!

Hence deserve sympathy??!!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Nick Freitas, Rep in VA House of Delegates:
I am told that as a state representative this is the moment where I'm supposed to express my heartfelt condolences and then stand in solidarity with those on the other side of the aisle as we condemn political violence and stand unified as one people.

But we aren't "one people" are we?

The truth is we haven't been for some time now, and there is really no point in pretending anymore, if there ever was.

We are two very different peoples. We may occupy the same piece of geography, but that is where the similarities seem to abruptly end.

I convinced myself for a long time that whenever the left called me a racist, a bigot, a sexist, a fascist, a "threat to democracy" for even the most innocent of disagreements, that it was simply hyperbolic rhetoric done for effect.

And now the "effect" is a widow and two orphaned children, because the left couldn’t bear the thought of a peaceful man debating them and winning.

I don’t think they realize it yet, but murdering Charlie is going to be remembered as the day where we finally woke up to what this fight really is.

It’s not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen. It’s a war between diametrically opposed worldviews which cannot peacefully coexist with one another. One side will win, and one side will lose.

Charlie tried to win that fight through argumentation, through discussion, through peaceful resolution of differences.

And the other side murdered him.

Not because he was “extreme” or “inciting violence” or any other hyperbolic slur they hurled at him. They murdered him because he was effective. Because he was unafraid. Because he inspired others and made them feel like they had a voice, that they were not alone. And he did it at the very institutions which have fomented so much hatred toward conservatives.

I don’t want to “stand in solidarity” with the other side of the aisle. I want to defeat you. I want to defeat the godless ideology that kills babies in the womb, sterilizes confused children, turns our cities into cesspools of degeneracy and lawlessness…and that murdered Charlie Kirk.

Social media is aflame right now with leftist celebration of Charlie’s death.

I wonder if any among them understand what has just happened. If there is a Yamamoto somewhere in their midst warning, that all they have done is awoken a sleeping giant.

I doubt it. I think they gave up such introspection and self-awareness long ago.

I don’t know exactly what will happen next. I just know that it won’t be the same as what has happened in the past.

There will be thoughts and prayers…Charlie would have wanted prayers. Not for himself but for those left behind and for the country that he loved.

But then there will be a reckoning.

My Christian faith requires me to love my enemies and pray for those who curse me. It does not require me to stand idly by in the midst of savagery and barbarism...quite the opposite.

So every time I feel tired, every time I feel discouraged or overwhelmed, I am going to watch the video of a good man being murdered in Utah…I will force myself to watch it…and then I will return to the work of destroying the evil ideology responsible for that and so much more.

Rest with God Charlie, your fight is over.

Ours is just beginning.

https://x.com/nickjfreitas/sta...927877926432868?s=46

Truer words never spoken.

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Originally posted by DRG:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
What you fail to recognize is that hate and violence take place on both sides of the political spectrum. The right hating the left is no better or no worse than the left hating the right.

Look in the mirror....maybe realize that the problem is not a single faceted as you would like it to be.

That's a "good people on both sides" arguement. While others might have differing , multifaceted points of view.

I am complaining about an assassination, not heated conversation

That post was directed at ME.

Still, the point is valid. Political violence, on the left or the right, is simply wrong.

Yes.

We can all agree on this.

But, reports in the Net basically say he is a political INFLUENCER!

Hence deserve sympathy??!!

I don't hate Charlie Kirk. But I get really pissed when he's saying shit like Jews control the US, it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians to death and it's ok if a few people die each year to preserve gun rights.

I guess he thinks it's ok he died for that???

I'm sorry he got shot, but let's not get carried away and call him a martyr.

Don

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why are people making such a fuss about this senseless murder?

How many people were murdered on the same day in America?

Some for as silly as missing an item in a McDonald's order.

Or a poor girl travelling on a train and gets murderer for no reason what so ever!.

And the stupid politicians who DEFEND the knifeman!

Blame the society you all created!

Thee selfish society where everyone's ailments are blamed on others.

never look in the mirror see yourselves in the proper light!

Again Saeed you demonstrate that you are clueless. EVERYTHING you list is delivered by the left!!!!

Clueless.....

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it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
It’s clear from your posts your new name is Dildo.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Don


I don't recall Charlie Kirk ever saying that????? Must have missed it but I'm sure you can post a link???

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it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians

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it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians to death

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Originally posted by Saeed:
He was an INFLUENCER!

Which means he lied to get paid.

This is apparently from him.


did charlie kirk say it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians
Conservative political commentator Charlie Kirk never explicitly stated that it is okay to stone gay people, minorities, or non-Christians. However, reports indicate that he has used biblical references to imply that homosexuality is an "abomination" deserving of death, though he did not directly call for violence.
Interpreting Kirk's comments
Controversial biblical interpretations: A Hindu article on Kirk's recent assassination states that he "famously cited Leviticus: 18 from the Bible, implying the gay community should be, 'stoned to death'". The use of such scripture has been widely interpreted as a call for violence by his critics, though Kirk never explicitly endorsed it.
Criticism of LGBTQ+ community: Kirk routinely criticized what he called the "LGBTQ agenda" and claimed it was harming children. He also supported Supreme Court rulings that legalized discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals and called for "Nuremberg-style trials" for doctors providing gender-affirming care.
Anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric: Kirk frequently promoted anti-immigrant views and used inflammatory rhetoric against Muslims. A day before his death, he posted on social media that "Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America". He also promoted unfounded notions that Islam was "conquering" Western countries through migration.
Views on racial issues: The Al Jazeera news service reports that Kirk had, on some occasions, criticized the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Lives Matter movement. He was also documented as promoting the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory.

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never explicitly stated

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Originally posted by TomP:
Holy shit what a thread. Kirk is hardly cold on a slab before it starts, and no one has been arrested to tell us why it was done. Granted, a political dispute is pretty likely (No Shit Sherlock), but there is no admissible evidence to warrant this outpouring of vitriol among fellow recreational shooters. We might remember who shot Malcom X, and why.

Universities are sacred places, as much as churches, schools, hospitals, and nuclear power plants. This is a place where we hash things out and speak ideas that can't be aired around a card table. This shooting is utterly out of place, and unacceptable to civilized society regardless of motive. I do not support the death penalty but empathize with those who do, in this case.

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In a video posted to social media on Wednesday, Trump said, "It's a long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree." (That's some serious irony)

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The perfect example of jumping to conclusions is the idiot kid who tried to shoot Trump during the election. everyone was blaming the democrats and it turned out that he was a republican. Crazy demented people come in all sizes shapes and political views!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
He was an INFLUENCER!

Which means he lied to get paid.

This is apparently from him.


did charlie kirk say it's ok to stone gays and minorities, non Christians
Conservative political commentator Charlie Kirk never explicitly stated that it is okay to stone gay people, minorities, or non-Christians. However, reports indicate that he has used biblical references to imply that homosexuality is an "abomination" deserving of death, though he did not directly call for violence.
Interpreting Kirk's comments
Controversial biblical interpretations: A Hindu article on Kirk's recent assassination states that he "famously cited Leviticus: 18 from the Bible, implying the gay community should be, 'stoned to death'". The use of such scripture has been widely interpreted as a call for violence by his critics, though Kirk never explicitly endorsed it.
Criticism of LGBTQ+ community: Kirk routinely criticized what he called the "LGBTQ agenda" and claimed it was harming children. He also supported Supreme Court rulings that legalized discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals and called for "Nuremberg-style trials" for doctors providing gender-affirming care.
Anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric: Kirk frequently promoted anti-immigrant views and used inflammatory rhetoric against Muslims. A day before his death, he posted on social media that "Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America". He also promoted unfounded notions that Islam was "conquering" Western countries through migration.
Views on racial issues: The Al Jazeera news service reports that Kirk had, on some occasions, criticized the Civil Rights Movement and the Black Lives Matter movement. He was also documented as promoting the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory.