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Well The Democrats in The White House are SCREAMING BAN GUNS, and U.S. Wide Unconstitutional RED FLAG LAWS!!! Remember The Dems have created a WEAPONIZED Government. Harris was Losing in Georgia!!! Was this designed to help her? | ||
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The Supreme Court just upheld DVOs which ban firearm possession and transfers as constitutional. Thus, red flag laws appear constitutional. Unless someone can provide a distinction w a difference to me. You are a fool to suggest a school mass murder or mass injury event was created, designed, and executed to fire a campaign. All such statements by people like you do is prevent reasonable folks from wanting to votes for the party you make such revolting statements in support of. The person who came to AR to make this horrific and violent crime political was Slider who is a Trump supporter. | |||
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According to who? DO NOT INFRINGE!!! I just read the U.S. Constitution and a Red Flag Law is NO where in it!!! | |||
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The Supreme Court who has said every gun case post incorporation that no right is absolute. The Supreme Court since 1836-2008 was clear the 2nd Amendment limitations upon infringement applied to the Federal Government. That is not my opinion. That is the original intent of the Second Amendment. I have provided the cases and the language from the cases multiple times. Constitutional analysis cannot be confined to a bumper sticker nor a slogan. Again, this year the S. Ct., held DVO that restrict upon firearm possession and transfer to those who have been adjudicated to have engaged in Violence by a judge. All DVOs are, are red flag laws before we called them red flags. | |||
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As long as due process of law and the rights of the accused are protected, I don’t have an issue with regards to red flag per se. I do have issues with giving felons the vote but banning gun ownership over domestic violence misdemeanor convictions. I also have issues with red flag laws that do not get brought forward with defense allowed. Too many acquaintances with guns taken and damaged over divorce accusations. Red flag isn’t that new. It’s widening and allowing it to proceed on accusations alone that bothers me. And yes, there are quite a few people who shouldn’t own guns. | |||
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Slider!  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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DVO as the Supreme Court permits as a restriction on the right are not criminal convictions but civil bench trials. The burden of proof in DVOs in KY is preponderance of the evidence, 51 percent, more likely than not. I have only seen two be denied. The bottom line is they are constitutionally sound. Thus, I see Red Flag laws as being analogous and constitutional. | |||
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You are an absolute idiot with no redeeming qualities…: Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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It is sad that people would want to make this tragedy political. It takes a very twisted mind to even think of this as political. | |||
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Just remember, spay and neutering your democrats. The left will have a tizzy about taking so photos, politicizing deaths is anti American, and turn around and literally politicize deaths. And they can't see the hypocrisy opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Totally understand your argument, trump and the GOP have been jumped on with both feet and the entire thing has now become politicized. But, don't you see that it's trump that drags us down into the muck? It's his nature. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Mike, I sure do. He is a terrible candidate.. and I think quemala is better than killary. I wish Nikki was the gop candidate, and tulsi her veep... trump could have selected either of those ladies and had a better choice. I predict a repeat of 2020 in the outcome, not a 2016 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The GOP will again do thoughts & prayers, & brush this off like all the rest. They sure went into a frenzy when dear leader was targeted. He's more important than the kids who get murdered. | |||
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And there's simple, politicizing deaths again.. what a super star opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Today’s shooting was the 218th shooting at a K-12 school this year. Seems to me like maybe it should get "politicized". | |||
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awww, when called on it, simple doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to own it, and tries to change the subject .. YOU are doing this, wymple .. YOU .. own it or just be recognized as a coward .. while that word might not have the same sting in your home town, it's pretty important ... you are pathetic .. less than the worth of the gum on my shoe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The person charged is a 14 year old student. There were phone calls warning shooting would occur and identified this school was identified as a target. The weapon used was an AR 15. LE is not saying how the weapon was obtained. The charged juvenile is charged as an adult. Yet, because of his age and recent S. Ct., caselaw Juve is not subject to death penalty nor life without parole. The juvenile was questioned last year about alleged threats he made to engage in public violence. The juvenile denied the threats. LE at the time determined there was not enough probable cause to do anything. It was the St. Valentine’s Day Mascara that was the final straw that saw a legislative response with the National Firearms Act. | |||
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I see and somehow agree with both above posts. But I'm not sure that LHeym500 understands or appreciates this statement by crbutler, which is true: "allowing it to proceed on accusations alone that bothers me." Actually, I agree with butler's whole post. It's actually deeper than he states. The bingo word is "fear" (in the law) whether real or not. The claim is everything in a DV claim or incident, and the gender advocacy knows it. The claim commonly triggers the arrest, and what follows, and the officers are trained to ask the specific question "are you afraid". Trained by whom and at who's request? It's a double-edged sword. The officer gets to go home and enjoy his evening with family and dinner and not have to worry about being called out again over an escalating incident, and the following court proceedings ain't his problem, where a lot is presumed just from the arrest. A restraining order is also common, which means the guy has to find another abode, for a while. And legal defense is costly. But, we digress. The high school shooting incident in GA is different. And I don't agree with the OP at all. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I can't be the only participant here that sees the very obvious linkage of this staged school shooting, the Democrats AI takeover and Jewish Space Lasers. But seriously, how sad for all of us. I saw something about charging the 14 year old as an adult. That seems wrong to me, but I guess it doesn't matter, his life is over regardless. And how does anyone survive the phone call telling them their loved one was shot and killed just now? It to much for me to fathom. | |||
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You left out windmills. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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You area bald faced liar. I did not change the subject. My opinion is worth as much as yours. When you are, again, brushing off hundreds of school shootings in defense of 0 gun restrictions, THAT is politicizing. | |||
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This one thing I never understood! How would anyone, start killing peoples who have done him no hard? It really defies all logic. | |||
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You need help. | |||
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Nute my friend. I wouldn’t put ANYTHING past politicians! | |||
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They had a Politician from new York on TV yesterday. They were talking about the School Shooting. They asked him if they had Resource Officers in his School district? He Proudly said Yes. Then they asked him if they were Armed? He said er um NO!!! These Schools are SET UP by Dems for MASS SHOOTING!!! WHY? To Disarm The American People!!! | |||
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You know, there is a very sad pattern coming out. In the UK 14 year old kids are murdering people?? Why?? | |||
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Sooo Apparently this 14 year old Murderer has been on The F.B.I.s watch list for a Year!!! But the F.B.I. has been Busy covering up he Assassination Attempt and for The Democrats Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and the rest of them to worry about a School getting Shot up!!! | |||
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Puberty Blockers | |||
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There is NO DUE PROCESS!!! They Take your GUNS then you go to Court to get them Back!!! | |||
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Kamalala has already done thoughts and prayers.....and will politicize the hell out of these deaths. | |||
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It does Saeed! There is evil,in,this world how does it gain control of a kid????? . | |||
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Get some therapy you friggin' nutjob. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Versus your position: do nothing. That's certainly been working well. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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That is because CrButler’s desire is not the status of the law. In every jurisdiction an epo is issued on mere allegations. Then a hearing on those allegations has to be heard within a statutory time period. The epo based on that testimony is either converted to a DVO or the DVO is denied with the EPO dismissed. The epo is a temporary, stop gap, injunction/protective order granted ex parte to keep the peace until the hearing is held. They are constitutional. Some judges will restrict the right at the epo level which is an ex parte petition. That is constitutional. Every judicial action starts as mere allegations. Hearings are for proof. The burden is civil and a low bar. Some states may few a clear and convincing burden. That is the law. That is constitutionally fine according to the Fed Supreme Court. Thus, the same procedure applied to Red Flag laws seems fine. They are no different than epos/dvos the Supreme Court just upheld. They being Red Flag laws. | |||
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Link "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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I can't think of anything better to do than hold the parents responsible for the actions of their children and I don't think that'll work either. Hard to fathom giving a troubled 14 year old a firearm. | |||
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AFTER a visit from the FBI and local police about threats he had made. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Bimbo Boebert speaking on this school shooting just stated that these gun deaths are only a drop in the bucket. Vance, who in June called school shootings a fake issue, just said that school shootings are just a fact of life. | |||
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Politicians being shot at is just a fact of life but Vance and Trump speak to crowds outdoors from behind bulletproof glass. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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These positions by GOP political leaders will only galvanize the public to seek stricter gun control measures. Dobbs will be used in an attempt to deincorprate the 2nd Amendment and return the matter to state legislatures. I hope it is unsuccessful. | |||
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