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In the words of President Reagan. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
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I never understand this....the idea that anybody is preventing you from getting all the churching and prayer you could possibly want is just silly. If parents are upset about the Constitutional limitations on prayers in public schools, then pray up a storm at home in the morning or head to your local church and take care of it there before you drop the kid off. You can stop by the church after school too and pray as much as you want. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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And with so many different denominations, which one should be allowed? I am all for freedom of religion. But keep it to yourself! At home or your chosen church. Not at work or school! | |||
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This is fictitious. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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What about all the 'other' religions not based on God? Global warming, veganism, gender BS and on? School should only be about the three 'R's'. ~Ann   | |||
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This topic is endlessly interesting to me because it is so deep, IMO. To me it's not just about the freedom of prayer, as that brief clip and quote from Reagan suggests, and Lane knows it. What lane means is Christian Prayer, any where and any time, alone or group, at the exclusive choice of the person(s) praying, no constraints, and no one else has a say in it or the right to object, much less stop it. That's what Lane and other zealots mean by "Freedom of Religion". The Reagan era is indeed a good place to start with this kind of zealotry, aside from the KKK which was a Christian fascist org. Anyway, the word "religion" was used by Lane, although I have heard some zealots say their sect of Christianity is not a religion. It's a personal relationship with God or Jesus - they say, except when the topic turns to the secular Constitution. Then it's a religion. History of the concept of religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._concept_of_religion =============================================== There are many good articles about the Reagan era and religion, Christianity in particular. Some say that the era of Christofascism started then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fascism Here's just one good article about Reagan and Christianity: https://www.politico.com/magaz...reagan-wrong-215306/ How the Right Gets Reagan Wrong And what will happen if they don't start getting him right. By HENRY OLSEN June 26, 2017 There are many articles: https://www.google.com/search?...nt=gws-wiz-serp#ip=1 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Correct. Lane is fine with prayer as long as it's the kind of prayer he partakes of and agrees with....when they start praising Allah in US class rooms, he'll be at the front of the line complaining about it. Hence, the Constitutional limitations on prayer. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Funny, ain’t it? Go to war to blow up the Muslim fundamentalists, then run home and start to emulate them. Outfits like the Taliban and Boko Haram got their start with brainwashed folks exactly like these myopic Christian fundies. They bellow “freedom and Liberty” at the top of their lungs while doing their damndest to force it into their own narrow definition. I see the other day where Missouri has now imposed stricter dress standards for female legislators. It’s now demanded that they cover their arms, apparently it’s arouses the fat old Christian lechers too much. It’ll be hijabs and burkas next. Just ask Mullah Joel Osteen or Imam Kenneth Copeland. | |||
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One of my friends was raised Moslem in the Middle East, married an Irish Catholic woman here. They raised their children in the Catholic church; he once told me that children have to have something and that's what there was here. I do not know whether their children (now adults) continue to follow the pope, but they all grew to adulthood without trauma or troubles. So be it. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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One of my nieces is married to a Bosnian muslim refugee. He is the most laid back guy you would ever meet. At family gatherings we always joke. He drives a transit bus. Tells about a crazy women that tells him about Biden says the dumb things, because they used the mind ray on him to many times. We tell him to put a rag in the fuel cap, and tell her he's a muslim, and one more story and he will go lite it. He laughs and said he may try it. | |||
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When I was a child in school in the 1970s (started first grade in Fall 1970 in Wolfforth, TX—now a suburb of Lubbock)…there was prayer in school. If it was un-Constitutional…how was it allowed then? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Christofascism is the desire to have government regulate religious freedom to the exclusion of ------------.. Freedom is not exclusionary, nor is empowering government to do it for you. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Probably because the govt,Courts, school board and community was run by Christians. So the idea that it was unconstitutional was ignored. | |||
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Since it was universally accepted the first 200 years of existence…I tend to believe it is not un-Constitutional. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The assumption is that everything done in Tejas is constitutional? Juneteenth happened two years after the Emancipation Proclamation... Having said that, my first grade class was in a Catholic school at an orphanage. My parents paid the tuition as I was impatient and two months young for public school. I was exempted from catechism because I asked too many of the wrong sorts of questions. Study hall instead. Decades later, not much has changed. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Founded by and for democrats - inarguable FACT, Kevin opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Not a very persuasive argument. Since white men were the favored group for 200 years (2,000+ years actually), it's not unconstitutional to give them preference over blacks and women. See how dumb that is? | |||
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 Inarguable??? Are you present and active in this forum? Yes, I agree that back then democrats formed and populated the KKK. That as far as I know is a historical fact. However, those who point that out, like it means something in itself, stand alone, fail (consistently/intentionally) to acknowledge the rest of the story. Just like practically everything in political/social/culture of the USA, democrats morphed, as did republicans. The whole spectrum shifted. Nixon for example brought on the southern shift. https://www.history.com/news/h...nce-democratic-south https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...0African%20Americans. Your failure to recognize that fact is telling. BTW, none of that changes the fact that the KKK was and is a fascist/terrorist org based in Christianity. It's no accident that their favored form of terrorism was the burning cross. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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“Since it was universally accepted the first 200 years of existence…that women were precluded from voting, I tend to believe it is not un-Constitutional.” Fixed something for you Lane | |||
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Why the fuck would I care what he thought. He's not any messiah to me. | |||
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Crass. Messiah or not, Reagan was a president, a "Ruler" that is sorely missed. A gentleman, a statesman, a thoughtful friend and leader. Reagan went face to face with every Evil Empire of the day with courage, resilience and diplomacy. Reagan would have brought American victory to Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine and here at home. | |||
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Reagan--Saint Reagan to his ardent followers--had his share of scandals and investigations. Iran Contra. Arms for rebels. I didn't always agree with his policies, particularly his classic Republican move of giving tax cuts to the well-off, increasing military expenditures, and increasing the national debt to pay for both. Policy difference can usually be worked out by two reasonable individuals, but only if both deal in good faith. Dealing in good faith doesn't seem to be in either party's toolkit these days. | |||
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Let's not forget he would also keep the nutters locked up, the borders secure without the thought of amnesty for the illegals who are already here and have beaten the Fentanyl crisis. Thanks for that Scott  I love the part about securing victory for Ukraine...coming from you that is indeed rich. | |||
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Capitol rioter who stormed Senate chamber to 'plead the blood of Jesus' acquitted on obstruction charge because the judge said he had a 'unique stew in his mind' https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4ae3ac3cc85e04df8d4a A federal judge acquitted a Capitol Rioter on one obstruction charge while convicting him on five other charges because she said he had a "unique stew in his mind." U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson said that Joshua Black had a "unique stew in his mind" that made her unsure of whether he was aware that his actions were unlawful in her ruling on Friday, Politico reported. Jackson found Black not guilty on one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, court documents show. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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. . . frankly, probably believes that is constitutional too. Mike | |||
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The KKK well predates fascism. While it may share some traits of fascist policies, to call it a fascist organization shows remarkable… persistence… in a worldview that is obsessed with labeling everything evil as being a part of one political extreme.
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https://www.nytimes.com/1984/1...-patients-began.html Hardly kept the nutters locked up And border control..... https://www.npr.org/templates/...hp?storyId=128303672 You have zero idea how he would have done in those Mid-East wars. I remember his great victory in Beirut | |||
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I see I failed at my attempt at sarcasm and humor. I know fully well about the closing of the mental institutions, the 80's drug war and "just say no", the amnesty for illegals Etc. My point was that Reagan might not have been the savior many hold him up to be. | |||
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We should learn from past mistakes. Reagan gave almost 3 million illegals, amnesty. All it did was bring a bigger invasion after, looking for the same thing. Amnesty does not work to stem the tide. | |||
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I always find it interesting how Reagan is so revered a figure in the republican party yet so few republicans adopt the approach that he utilized in governing: compromise and reasonableness. Reagan would not recognize today's GOP. He would be appalled at the antics and policies of idiots like Matt Gaetz and his ilk. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Keep paying your taxes chicken hawk.  | |||
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Oh I will pay my taxes, but just one question if you would humor me Scott. How exactly is it that Reagan would have been able to bring American Victory to Ukraine without doing the very things you refuse to support? Namely, sending the Ukrainians the means to repel Russian aggression. Maybe Reagan would pray his way to Ukrainian victory? Chicken Hawks do wonder. | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You are correct, I did miss your being sarcastic. You have my apology. | |||
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It's also inarguable that the KKK is about 100% republican for many decades now. And you damn well know it. I'm amazed at your feigned ignorance. | |||
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Yeah, anyone who claims the Democrats are responsible for the KKK is being disingenuous. It was almost half a century ago that most KKK members were Democrats. Now they and their ilk are Republicans. Don't pretend otherwise. | |||
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ya'll are the only ones arguing about current membership -- "founded by" is irrefutable. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Forget about labels. The same type of people that were involved in the KKK decades ago are the same type involved in the organization today. Predominantly uneducated rural whites with an innate fear of change. The fact that those types of people primarily identify as Republicans and MAGAotts today is merely a reflection of just how lost the GOP is today. Mike | |||
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You guys must live in some alternate universe as I live in the rural south and I have not seen hide nor hair of any clansmen since the 1970s. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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What I see is an idiotic attempt at an argument by Roland. Apparently all the above were deemed Constitutional at one point but in 1976…women and people of color had had equal opportunity for quite some time. In schools in Texas at least…prayer was common at least up to the 1990s. I am unsure of the case law that made them go away but if re-litigated today…might be reversed. Thus school prayer was deemed Constitutional for a far greater period of time than not and its fate is far from certain. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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