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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Some of the most academically proficient schools in the nation are parochial schools — proving both academics and faith can subside parallel efficiently.

Then send your kid to a parochial school if you desire religion to be part of the education that they receive.

Why is it you feel the need to push your beliefs upon others? If you ever wonder why participation in religion has declined in America, look no farther than your own posts. Nobody likes having religion pushed upon them, some people get darn right cranky about it. I'm one of them. Keep it to yourself and your family, quite simple really.

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Originally posted by skb:
Share the news all you want, just quit being so damn pushy about it.

The whole problem with you right wing fanatical Christians is that you fail to realize that most America is simply not interested in what you are selling(the hard sale, used car salesman bit gets really old).

We are debating on a forum. While I have bought a very nice rifle from you…you don’t know me from Adam. If you did…you would not make that ^^^ statement.

Differ all you want, the fact remains that religion is in decline and you pushy busy bodies are to fault.

The gvt war on religion is the culprit. Until it began in the latter 20th…there was no decline. Your thinking is to blame and your logic is flawed.

You will see plenty of push back, note the recent outcomes at the ballot box in deep red Kansas as the Holy Roller faction tries to force it's views on the populace. Not much different from the general trend in the 2022 election cycle.

Once again Lane, you have proven through your posts how very important it is stop the Christian Nationalist movement.

Yep…faithful Christians do so much harm…one of the most important crises facing the world for sure!

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Originally posted by skb:
This whole thread has been your attempt to rationalize pushing Christianity on the populace through prayer in public schools. Incredibly pushy, there is no mistaking your position on the issue. Your religious beliefs supercede the rights of the minority, clear as could be.

I believe government should stay the hell out of it period. If schools “want” to have prayer…”allow” them. This is freedom of religion…Constitutionally guaranteed. Forcing them to have none is freedom from religion, currently pushed by the gvt, and not Constitutionally guaranteed. Gvt stay out of People lives and let the like minded live as they see fit. You and your ilk are the pushy ones. I and mine have always just taken it. I advocate for Christians voicing there opinion.

It is not a Government war on religion but rather a changing of societal views. We are not going back to the 1950's, times have changed.

Just don’t pretend that it is enthusiastic Christians causing the decline…it is the lack of enthusiasm and the vigor of your think that has spurred it on.

I have no problem at all with faithful Christians, I have many that are close friends. The problem is that you want the Government to help you promote Christianity.

Not! I want them to quit fighting the promotion of Christianity on the local level. Just stay away from it completely…have no opinion.

It is you are trying to force your views upon others that I find incredibly annoying,

That is your perception and in reality not so. I advocate for tolerance and government staying the hell out of it. You on the other hand insists on government enforcement. not the fact that you are a faithful Christian.

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You are failing to recognize that local Government is bound by the Constitution.

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You seem to want local sentiment to override the minorities rights and that is simply not allowed in our system.

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Originally posted by skb:
This whole thread has been your attempt to rationalize pushing Christianity on the populace through prayer in public schools. Incredibly pushy, there is no mistaking your position on the issue. Your religious beliefs supercede the rights of the minority, clear as could be.

It is not a Government war on religion but rather a changing of societal views. We are not going back to the 1950's, times have changed.

I have no problem at all with faithful Christians, I have many that are close friends. The problem is that you want the Government to help you promote Christianity.

It is you are trying to force your views upon others that I find incredibly annoying, not the fact that you are a faithful Christian.

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Step back... are you not insisting that your views be forced on others by your no religious expression be allowed in schools?

Not a bit, you have this completely twisted in your head. I never once said no religious expression should be allowed in schools. I have said the schools(the Government) should not be using taxpayer resources to promote any religious views. That is not even remotely similar.



Its kind of coming down to this idea of the minority studies folks that those who are in the minority cannot be racist/sexist/bigoted because "they have no power."

I completely disagree, this comes down to public schools should use taxpayer dollars for education, not to promote religion.