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My question is are we reasonably well informed? For the last three or four decades we seem to have not been. Over and over and over an over. Yes and over, we have considered ourselves reasonably well informed and have been proven wrong. You think you are reasonably well informed from half a world away in Texas. I hold no such illusion about myself front 3/4's of the world away in AK. Israel and Netanyahu are within spitting distance and we question his tactics. Is the Wests assessment accurate? I am skeptical. Is Netanyahu assessment accurate? I wonder. | |||
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Scott, We are, systematically, not well informed. There is an entire security discipline that controls information flow, by level of privilege called the bell lapadula model. Which is why a white house spokesperson is the lowest level of intel sharing. It's literally by design and discipline Oddly this is one of the few things taught in CISSP that is non-obvious opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Bibi withdraws from ceasefire negotiations and tells his puppet Trump to do the same. Trump responds like a good marionette. In the mean time, reports show that upwards of 9% of Gaza’s children are suffering from severe malnutrition. Mike | |||
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So why doesn't Hamas retreat, surrender or accept a ceasefire? Why don't the2 million Palestanians turn over Hamas who numbers in 20k ? | |||
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. . . asked and answered. Mike | |||
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there is a concept you do not get: your 20k are terrorists not everyone in gaza has firearms ti revolt ... the same explained to you for ireland ... but when it is not the same religion as you you cannot understand ... | |||
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yeah.. that's why the "2 million non-hamas" never demanded an election in like 20 years - and allowed military facilities to be built into hospitals and school yards ... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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and we all know what elections can led too ... your country is a great example ...if you were trying to find online you will see a lot of palestinian organisations that have asked for and of course since a while but even before the terrorist attack of the 7th october the state of israel was stopping the populations to go for polling stations in the past. and those still choosing to ignore the fights among palestinians never forgot that the fatah choose to fight the hamas and in 2007 the hamas won in killing most of the armed opponents needless to say it is taking some digging to understand and not staying on the side of israel as the goods and the palestinians the bad. the massacre of the october to the israel population doesnt mean that israel can starve civilians population just because ... but again it will take for some of you a little more to understand it. | |||
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All of this is prime example of governments disarming their population. There is a reason behind all that madness In States, Dems would love to do that and then, there would be no opposition Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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That i don't understand is a gross understatement. As I've mentioned above, I wonder if my fellow Westerners like yourself do either. We've spent decades placing and forcing our values on the East and have been defeated everytime. | |||
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You are MOST DEFINTELY are NOT well informed. You are fed what they want you do see and hear. Totally brainwashing! I hate violence against innocent people as much as any half decent person. BUT, BUT, we need to look at the cause of it! Israel was created by wrong promise of the British government to help with the atrocities Germany committed against the Jews. In their promise they told them not to interfere with the rights of the Palestinians. How did that work out?? Look at the map. Israel has been expanding like an uncheck CANCER! They have been systematically killing Palestinians from day one! | |||
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And you are not fed what they want you to see and hear? Spoken like a true monarch. | |||
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What’s the right ratio we need to shoot for in Gaza? How many dead Palestinians will be enough to say Israel should be done? Since October 7 through February, number of Israelis killed, 1139, injured, 8730, number of Palestinians killed, 61,709, injured, 111,588. That was as of five months ago. That’s not enough dead Palestinians for you? Is it an eye for an eye or an eye for sixty eyes? Maybe 100 eyes? Maybe all the eyes? At what point does retribution morph into genocide? Mike | |||
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How many Palestinians is Hamas willing and happy to sacrifice? I'd have no stomach for any of it. Without a second thought I'd spend the rest of my life in prison, put my head on the chopping block, hang the noose around my neck to save my daughter. To save my little girls life I'd endure a lifetime of torture, slavery and eternal damnation. Apparently Hamas doesn't put the same value on their kids? | |||
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How many innocent Palestinians have to die to atone for the crimes of the West? | |||
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How many will Hamas sacrifice to save their own skin? I didn't commit crimes by the way, I feel no guilt. | |||
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You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in pursuit of their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive. Mike | |||
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That is actually a complicated premise. It's why I have so much trouble judging it or commenting. I believe at different times the Israelis have been right, and the Palestinians have as well. But each group has also been wrong. Hamas though, im not sure they have ever been in the right. Once again the UN is a worthless wonder. The world should be in there sorting this out and stopping the death. otherwise what use is the group? | |||
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Nothing complicated about it. The Palestinians were living on their land in their homes. Adolf decided to get rid of the Jews. Britain had a mandate over Palestine, and to please the Zionist organization, and have some PR in the process, promised a national home for the Jews in Palestine. Making a point that the rights of the Palestinians would not be breached. What happened? The Zionists, imitating the Nazis, started killing and removing the Palestinians from their homes. To make way for the imported Jews persecuted in other countries. It is as simple as day and night! | |||
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The letter you quote at every opportunity is dated 1917, decades before Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews. | |||
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You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me. It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes. The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance. There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E. | |||
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The most stupid post on this subject so far! I come to your house, being invited by someone, kick you out, and it is YOUR fault! | |||
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You have your history arse about face Saeed. The holocaust was WW2 39-45, the Balfour memorandum was 1917( I think), 20+ years before the holocaust. Politicians may think they are omniscient but they really cannot predict the future… How long was it after Israeli independence before your Arab neighbours attacked Israel? It wasn’t even 24 hours was it. And in invading Israel they not only failed to conquer the land designated as the Jewish state by the UN but they also lost most of the land designated as a Palestinian state. There are lots of parties at fault and who helped create this bloody mess, it’s not black/white and there is no blameless side here. | |||
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The ILLEGAL promise, no matter when, is still ILLEGAL! You had absolutely no right to make that promise! But, as soon many places of the world are still suffering, from your occupation. Only difference now is the bloody Yanks have taken over. With just a disastrous results! You are getting your own payback with Starmer and his Bimbo Rayner and their illegal immigrants!  | |||
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Which is really the salient point. Despite there being no blameless side here, some have for inexplicable reasons signed on to the notion that Israel has the unfettered right to do whatever it wants to the Palestinians, including killing women and children, starving the populace, etc. There are no clean hands here but nothing entitles a country to engage in conduct reminiscent of genocide. Mike | |||
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IT IS GENOCIDE! And your ORANGE DICKHEAD has become a PUPPET for NitanHitler! SHAME PN AMERICA! | |||
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well it is really trump motto and the followers of the cult of the supreme leader cannot think too much ... reflexion is really on the low level from them lol | |||
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Funny how blaming Israel for Hamas years of terror against them and against their own population is en vogue today Definite madness Good for Israel not to hesitate and trying to finish job no one else has the balls to do Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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I've never voted for Trump not once ever and have strenuously opposed him in print here since 2015. It is that simple. | |||
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Some people are incapable of seeing anything in life in other than binary terms. It is actually possible to condemn the acts of terrorism committed by Hamas and at the same time condemn the actions of Israel insofar as the Palestinian people are concerned. Mike | |||
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well it is simpler to define the us voters than the crisis in me for you lol but some can be supporters and even claiming the world that they never voted for him lol | |||
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it is very for sure for some to grasp some concepts ... but what can you expect from trump voters and supporters ... | |||
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??????? Is there an English translation? | |||
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Very true. As a very far removed Westerner and Northerner i have no understanding nor any appetite for modern-day M.E. violence. "Binary Terms". Should we have chosen Washington over Cornwallis? Should we have chosen Grant over Lee or Patton over Rommel? Sympathy for Islamic Terrorists returned Afghanistan to the Taliban and Syria to ISIS. | |||
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who cares you do support israel actions without understanding ... | |||
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but all supporters of israel killing and starving civilians should be worried as even in israel people are starting to protest about that war ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZf0r9YVO0 | |||
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Peace sells, nobody’s buying Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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One of the reasons it is still going on because NitanHitler is in deep shit! He is trying everything to deflect from his courts case for corruption! He even went as far as to get his sick ORANGE Shit head PUPPET to bomb Iran! Shaming what once was a great nation. Now has been made into a puppet for a war criminal! | |||
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The images of starving children coming out of Gaza are very very disturbing. The Israelis are making it impossible for the UN to deliver the food and other forms of relief that are pouring into the country from around the world. They're shooting innocent people who are trying to get food. It's unacceptable. The US ought to do something about it. | |||
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You are only seeing the tip of the iceberg! This not new. Have been going on non stop since 1948! | |||
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