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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

Excellent explanation of what is going on in Gaza. Spot on.

Not for me to say that is wrong, but is it right?
An excellent explanation and "spot on" from Great Britain and Texas? Regarding the M.E.?

If any of us here are Excellent Explainers or are spot on then why is Syria Iraq and Afghanistan in the shape they are today?

I am very skeptical given our documented failures in excellent explanation.

What does the ability to accurately explain or describe an event or geopolitical situation have to do with having or not having the ability to influence the event or geopolitical situation?

What would prevent any reasonably well-informed person from offering such a description. Not following at all.

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Bibi withdraws from ceasefire negotiations and tells his puppet Trump to do the same. Trump responds like a good marionette. In the mean time, reports show that upwards of 9% of Gaza’s children are suffering from severe malnutrition.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Bibi withdraws from ceasefire negotiations and tells his puppet Trump to do the same. Trump responds like a good marionette. In the mean time, reports show that upwards of 9% of Gaza’s children are suffering from severe malnutrition.

So why doesn't Hamas retreat, surrender or accept a ceasefire?

Why don't the2 million Palestanians turn over Hamas who numbers in 20k ?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Bibi withdraws from ceasefire negotiations and tells his puppet Trump to do the same. Trump responds like a good marionette. In the mean time, reports show that upwards of 9% of Gaza’s children are suffering from severe malnutrition.

So why doesn't Hamas retreat, surrender or accept a ceasefire?

Why don't the2 million Palestanians turn over Hamas who numbers in 20k ?

there is a concept you do not get: your 20k are terrorists not everyone in gaza has firearms ti revolt ... the same explained to you for ireland ... but when it is not the same religion as you you cannot understand ...

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Bibi withdraws from ceasefire negotiations and tells his puppet Trump to do the same. Trump responds like a good marionette. In the mean time, reports show that upwards of 9% of Gaza’s children are suffering from severe malnutrition.

So why doesn't Hamas retreat, surrender or accept a ceasefire?

Why don't the2 million Palestanians turn over Hamas who numbers in 20k ?

there is a concept you do not get: your 20k are terrorists not everyone in gaza has firearms ti revolt ... the same explained to you for ireland ... but when it is not the same religion as you you cannot understand ...

yeah.. that's why the "2 million non-hamas" never demanded an election in like 20 years -

and allowed military facilities to be built into hospitals and school yards ...

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Bibi withdraws from ceasefire negotiations and tells his puppet Trump to do the same. Trump responds like a good marionette. In the mean time, reports show that upwards of 9% of Gaza’s children are suffering from severe malnutrition.

So why doesn't Hamas retreat, surrender or accept a ceasefire?

Why don't the2 million Palestanians turn over Hamas who numbers in 20k ?

there is a concept you do not get: your 20k are terrorists not everyone in gaza has firearms ti revolt ... the same explained to you for ireland ... but when it is not the same religion as you you cannot understand ...

yeah.. that's why the "2 million non-hamas" never demanded an election in like 20 years -

and allowed military facilities to be built into hospitals and school yards ...

and we all know what elections can led too ... your country is a great example ...if you were trying to find online you will see a lot of palestinian organisations that have asked for and of course since a while but even before the terrorist attack of the 7th october the state of israel was stopping the populations to go for polling stations in the past.

and those still choosing to ignore the fights among palestinians never forgot that the fatah choose to fight the hamas and in 2007 the hamas won in killing most of the armed opponents needless to say it is taking some digging to understand and not staying on the side of israel as the goods and the palestinians the bad.
the massacre of the october to the israel population doesnt mean that israel can starve civilians population just because ... but again it will take for some of you a little more to understand it.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

Excellent explanation of what is going on in Gaza. Spot on.

Not for me to say that is wrong, but is it right?
An excellent explanation and "spot on" from Great Britain and Texas? Regarding the M.E.?

If any of us here are Excellent Explainers or are spot on then why is Syria Iraq and Afghanistan in the shape they are today?

I am very skeptical given our documented failures in excellent explanation.

What does the ability to accurately explain or describe an event or geopolitical situation have to do with having or not having the ability to influence the event or geopolitical situation?

What would prevent any reasonably well-informed person from offering such a description. Not following at all.

My question is are we reasonably well informed?
For the last three or four decades we seem to have not been.

Over and over and over an over. Yes and over,
we have considered ourselves reasonably well informed and have been proven wrong. You think you are reasonably well informed from half a world away in Texas. I hold no such illusion about myself front 3/4's of the world away in AK.
Israel and Netanyahu are within spitting distance and we question his tactics.

Is the Wests assessment accurate? I am skeptical.

Is Netanyahu assessment accurate? I wonder.

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What’s the right ratio we need to shoot for in Gaza? How many dead Palestinians will be enough to say Israel should be done?

Since October 7 through February, number of Israelis killed, 1139, injured, 8730, number of Palestinians killed, 61,709, injured, 111,588. That was as of five months ago. That’s not enough dead Palestinians for you? Is it an eye for an eye or an eye for sixty eyes? Maybe 100 eyes? Maybe all the eyes? At what point does retribution morph into genocide?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
What’s the right ratio we need to shoot for in Gaza? How many dead Palestinians will be enough to say Israel should be done?

Since October 7 through February, number of Israelis killed, 1139, injured, 8730, number of Palestinians killed, 61,709, injured, 111,588. That was as of five months ago. That’s not enough dead Palestinians for you? Is it an eye for an eye or an eye for sixty eyes? Maybe 100 eyes? Maybe all the eyes? At what point does retribution morph into genocide?

How many Palestinians is Hamas willing and happy to sacrifice?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
What’s the right ratio we need to shoot for in Gaza? How many dead Palestinians will be enough to say Israel should be done?

Since October 7 through February, number of Israelis killed, 1139, injured, 8730, number of Palestinians killed, 61,709, injured, 111,588. That was as of five months ago. That’s not enough dead Palestinians for you? Is it an eye for an eye or an eye for sixty eyes? Maybe 100 eyes? Maybe all the eyes? At what point does retribution morph into genocide?

How many Palestinians is Hamas willing and happy to sacrifice?

How many innocent Palestinians have to die to atone for the crimes of the West?

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Adolf decided to get rid of the Jews.

Britain had a mandate over Palestine, and to please the Zionist organization, and have some PR in the process, promised a national home for the Jews in Palestine.

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You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

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You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me.

It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes.

The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance.

There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E.

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Israel was created by wrong promise of the British government to help with the atrocities Germany committed against the Jews.

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There are lots of parties at fault and who helped create this bloody mess, it’s not black/white and there is no blameless side here.

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There are lots of parties at fault and who helped create this bloody mess, it’s not black/white and there is no blameless side here.

Which is really the salient point. Despite there being no blameless side here, some have for inexplicable reasons signed on to the notion that Israel has the unfettered right to do whatever it wants to the Palestinians, including killing women and children, starving the populace, etc. There are no clean hands here but nothing entitles a country to engage in conduct reminiscent of genocide.

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You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me.

It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes.

The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance.

There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E.

The most stupid post on this subject so far!

I come to your house, being invited by someone, kick you out, and it is YOUR fault!

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me.

It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes.

The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance.

There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E.

The most stupid post on this subject so far!

I come to your house, being invited by someone, kick you out, and it is YOUR fault!

well it is really trump motto and the followers of the cult of the supreme leader cannot think too much ... reflexion is really on the low level from them lol

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Funny how blaming Israel for Hamas years of terror against them and against their own population is en vogue today
Definite madness
Good for Israel not to hesitate and trying to finish job no one else has the balls to do

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me.

It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes.

The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance.

There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E.

The most stupid post on this subject so far!

I come to your house, being invited by someone, kick you out, and it is YOUR fault!

well it is really trump motto and the followers of the cult of the supreme leader cannot think too much ... reflexion is really on the low level from them lol

I've never voted for Trump not once ever and have strenuously opposed him in print here since 2015.
It is that simple.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Funny how blaming Israel for Hamas years of terror against them and against their own population is en vogue today
Definite madness
Good for Israel not to hesitate and trying to finish job no one else has the balls to do

Some people are incapable of seeing anything in life in other than binary terms. It is actually possible to condemn the acts of terrorism committed by Hamas and at the same time condemn the actions of Israel insofar as the Palestinian people are concerned.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me.

It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes.

The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance.

There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E.

The most stupid post on this subject so far!

I come to your house, being invited by someone, kick you out, and it is YOUR fault!

well it is really trump motto and the followers of the cult of the supreme leader cannot think too much ... reflexion is really on the low level from them lol

I've never voted for Trump not once ever and have strenuously opposed him in print here since 2015.
It is that simple.

well it is simpler to define the us voters than the crisis in me for you lol but some can be supporters and even claiming the world that they never voted for him lol

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Funny how blaming Israel for Hamas years of terror against them and against their own population is en vogue today
Definite madness
Good for Israel not to hesitate and trying to finish job no one else has the balls to do

Some people are incapable of seeing anything in life in other than binary terms. It is actually possible to condemn the acts of terrorism committed by Hamas and at the same time condemn the actions of Israel insofar as the Palestinian people are concerned.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You might pause to consider the possibility that the Palestinians and Hamas may actually believe that their cause is every bit as just and righteous as the Israelis believe their cause is. I do believe that and I think you just admitted here that you think the Palestinians and Hamas are one in the same. Me too. So would the Palestinians and Hamas be justified in killing tens of thousands of Israelis in pursuit of their cause? They certainly believe so and, " from the river to the sea!" is the easy example. And are the Israelis justified in killing tens of thousands of Palestinians in their cause? Your whole premise seems to be that Israelis are right, the Palestinians are wrong, therefore whatever Israel does is justified. A bit naive.

You say I'm naive and that's true. If you need my opinion regarding voting for Scott for POTUS or any other office of real importance my advise to you is to vote against me.

It's inaccurate to say I think the Israelis are right. It is true I think the Palestinians/ Hamas are wrong and they are suffering the consequences of their mistakes.

The path to peace for Palestine is obvious; surrender, capitulation, retreat. No more fighting, no more resistance.

There is no benefit for the West to leaving Hamas in power in the M.E.

The most stupid post on this subject so far!

I come to your house, being invited by someone, kick you out, and it is YOUR fault!

well it is really trump motto and the followers of the cult of the supreme leader cannot think too much ... reflexion is really on the low level from them lol

I've never voted for Trump not once ever and have strenuously opposed him in print here since 2015.
It is that simple.

well it is simpler to define the us voters than the crisis in me for you lol but some can be supporters and even claiming the world that they never voted for him lol

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Is there an English translation?

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Originally posted by medved:
but all supporters of israel killing and starving civilians should be worried as even in israel people are starting to protest about that war ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyZf0r9YVO0

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
The images of starving children coming out of Gaza are very very disturbing. The Israelis are making it impossible for the UN to deliver the food and other forms of relief that are pouring into the country from around the world. They're shooting innocent people who are trying to get food.

It's unacceptable. The US ought to do something about it.