By all appearances, they are shooting unarmed people who pose no threat and who are trying to get food because they are starving to death. And, it's happening pretty much every day.

I'm having a harder and harder time understanding how we can continue to support a country engaging in the systematic intentional murder of innocent people.

https://www.theguardian.com/gl...ual-story-ghf-israel

. . . it reached the point of genocide a good while back.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . it reached the point of genocide a good while back.

The ILLEGALLY installed New Nazi entity, the Zionists, have been committing genocide from the day they were created.

Now, NitanHitler has found himself a puppet at his whim, nothing can stand in his way.

Last time Trump was in charge, he GAVE them the Golan Heights.

This time he even said it himself, the Palestinians in Gaza can leave!

And never come back!

Shame, SHAME! On America!

WWGD?

What Would Genghis Do?

We bombed ethnic cleansers in Kosovo...

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Originally posted by TomP:
We bombed ethnic cleansers in Kosovo...

And here you are helping the ethnic cleansers!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by TomP:
We bombed ethnic cleansers in Kosovo...

And here you are helping the ethnic cleansers!

Equal time, perhaps. We did bomb those Persians who would cleanse the region of Jews.
We have bombed parts of the Arab world, but not for that...

I despair, sometimes. I will never understand the Middle East.
Perhaps there will be a Judgement Day explanation.

Tom
There are few things as nasty as a family squabble of religion. That's the shortest way I know to describe the Abrahamic religions

I have given as much leeway to Isreal as I could.
No more. That Israeli settlers are murdering palestinians on their own farms and the Gov gives them a pass is to much.

I tend to agree with you TB40.

I have made very little comment on this conflict. Mostly because I recognise that I struggle to trust info from either side on it.
I was very sympathetic towards Israel after the terror attacks, and even today I was disgusted to see in my feed a post outing famous people just because they are jewish.
But what Im hearing of killings of Palestinians who are not combatants is horrifying!

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Originally posted by theback40:
I have given as much leeway to Isreal as I could.
No more. That Israeli settlers are murdering palestinians on their own farms and the Gov gives them a pass is to much.

They have been doing it since 1948!

You lot have been not just giving them a pass.

But FINANCING their take over.

You are just as guilty with these crimes against humanity!

The Zionists are doing to the Palestinians EXACTLY the same thing the Nazis did to the Jews in Europe!

Only on a smaller scale!

Now culminating in NitanHitler getting your country to do his crimes for him!

Nothing to see here, just the Israeli's slowly starving a captive civilian population to death. Sort up reminds me of how the Jews were treated by Germany in the 30's and 40's.

The fact that the US supports this mess makes me want to

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c0k77xm651jt

Saudi Arabia has been trying to mitigate a fair resolution only to be rejected by Netanyahu‘s right wing coalition government.

Saudi Arabia has since made it clear that normalized relations with Israel are contingent on the establishment of an independent Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, and an end to the Israeli aggression in Gaza.

Now, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has resumed diplomatic ties with Iran.

The most significant support the Saudis are giving the Palestinians currently is in what they are not doing, which is normalizing relations with Israel. Immediately prior to the events of Oct. 7, the Saudi government seemed on the verge of entering into a normalization agreement with Israel brokered by the United States. In exchange for this potentially ground-breaking change in policy, the Saudis would refrain from engaging with US strategic competitors (namely China), the US would not prevent the development of a Saudi domestic nuclear energy program, and Israel would not deny the possibility of the eventual establishment of a Palestinian state — a complicated construct that was not particularly popular among Palestinians. Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks and the ensuing Israeli reprisals on Gaza halted the discussions, and the Saudis increased their demands for normalization from a “credible pathway” toward a two-state solution to clear demands for “irreversible steps” that would result in the “recognition of a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital.”

As the Israeli attacks on Gaza intensified, and Yemen, Iran, and Lebanon were drawn into the conflict, threatening a regional conflagration, Saudi Arabia’s position hardened. The language of Saudi demands remained somewhat malleable, however, in line with its broader approach to relations with Israel, which has enabled the kingdom to move closer to an agreement that achieves its domestic priorities while also distancing itself from an unpopular alignment with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing government. Within the context of the US elections and an expanding regional war, the Saudis continued to insist that there would be no normalization with Israel until there is a Palestinian state.

The Saudi foreign minister, Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud, reiterated Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s public support for the Palestinians in an October 2024 opinion piece in The Financial Times, in which he called for an immediate cease-fire, an end to the insecurity and suffering on both sides, and a return to serious efforts to achieve a just solution to the conflict. The chief Saudi diplomat reaffirmed Saudi Arabia’s commitment to the proposition that “Palestinian statehood is a prerequisite for peace, rather than its byproduct. This is the only path that can lead us out of this cycle of violence and into a future where both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace, with security and mutual respect.”

I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a Christian can do anything but vocally object to what is happening. I’ve not seen any condemnation from the religious right in the US, who seem to have rather flexible values.

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Originally posted by nute:
I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a Christian can do anything but vocally object to what is happening. I’ve not seen any condemnation from the religious right in the US, who seem to have rather flexible values.

It is the religious right fueling these crimes against humanity!

If Palestine pulled Oct 7 on the Mongols, Genghis would have killed every living thing, dogs cats and people. And they would be no more. Have you seen the size of his statue? He is revered and studied worldwide.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
If Palestine pulled Oct 7 on the Mongols, Genghis would have killed every living thing, dogs cats and people. And they would be no more. Have you seen the size of his statue? He is revered and studied worldwide.

October 7 would never have happened if an ILLEGAL CRIMINAL STATE was not created in 1948.

To atone for the crimes of Europe!

Has this same 'group' called for starvation and abuse of civilians?

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Originally posted by nute:
I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a Christian can do anything but vocally object to what is happening. I’ve not seen any condemnation from the religious right in the US, who seem to have rather flexible values.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
If Palestine pulled Oct 7 on the Mongols, Genghis would have killed every living thing, dogs cats and people. And they would be no more. Have you seen the size of his statue? He is revered and studied worldwide.

October 7 would never have happened if an ILLEGAL CRIMINAL STATE was not created in 1948.

To atone for the crimes of Europe!

And maybe not if the Arab states had not fed the Israeli paranoia right afterwards.
Did it have to be this way? Need it continue? Perhaps when Bibi is inevitably gone, two states.
Even better, one state that respects two cultures, as it was originally proposed.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
If Palestine pulled Oct 7 on the Mongols, Genghis would have killed every living thing, dogs cats and people. And they would be no more. Have you seen the size of his statue? He is revered and studied worldwide.

October 7 would never have happened if an ILLEGAL CRIMINAL STATE was not created in 1948.

To atone for the crimes of Europe!

And maybe not if the Arab states had not fed the Israeli paranoia right afterwards.
Did it have to be this way? Need it continue? Perhaps when Bibi is inevitably gone, two states.
Even better, one state that respects two cultures, as it was originally proposed.

The Arabs had nothing to do with Germany’s experiment of eliminating the Jews!



The Brits trying to make amends.

See how they worded it.

And how the New Nazis did it.

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours,

Arthur James Balfour

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Has this same 'group' called for starvation and abuse of civilians?

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Originally posted by nute:
I fail to see how anyone who considers themselves a Christian can do anything but vocally object to what is happening. I’ve not seen any condemnation from the religious right in the US, who seem to have rather flexible values.

The Israelis are not calling for it, they are doing it, with Trump's support.

Try to become informed Ann, you could start with the BBC link that Posted.

Fair warning though, the pictures might make you sick to your stomach, or not. You can likely justify it....

it is interesting to see that some that fully blindly supported israel killing innocent civilians are waking up ... while they hold here some where hamas supporters for telling the truth ... how ironic ...

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Originally posted by medved:
it is interesting to see that some that fully blindly supported israel killing innocent civilians are waking up ... while they hold here some where hamas supporters for telling the truth ... how ironic ...

Brainwashed!

NitanHitler is paying EXPERTS to DENY …

His crimes against humanity!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
NitanHitler is paying EXPERTS to DENY …

His crimes against humanity!

Soooooo, why is Hamas allowing this to continue?

Since the Palestinians give aid and comfort, since the Palestinians support Hamas, it's obvious that aid given to the Palestinians in Gaza actually feeds Hamas.

So if Hamas could choose to save the Palestinians by surrendering or agreeing to the ceasefire or retreating or just knocking it off? Why don't they?

What is it about the Palestinians that Hamas hates so much that they are happy to continue the genocide against their own people?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
NitanHitler is paying EXPERTS to DENY …

His crimes against humanity!

Soooooo, why is Hamas allowing this to continue?

Since the Palestinians give aid and comfort, since the Palestinians support Hamas, it's obvious that aid given to the Palestinians in Gaza actually feeds Hamas.

So if Hamas could choose to save the Palestinians by surrendering or agreeing to the ceasefire or retreating or just knocking it off? Why don't they?

What is it about the Palestinians that Hamas hates so much that they are happy to continue the genocide against their own people?

Hamas would never have existed if the ILLEGAL CREATION of the New Nazi State wasn’t to atone for the Germany’s crimes against humanity!

November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
NitanHitler is paying EXPERTS to DENY …

His crimes against humanity!

Soooooo, why is Hamas allowing this to continue?

Since the Palestinians give aid and comfort, since the Palestinians support Hamas, it's obvious that aid given to the Palestinians in Gaza actually feeds Hamas.

So if Hamas could choose to save the Palestinians by surrendering or agreeing to the ceasefire or retreating or just knocking it off? Why don't they?

What is it about the Palestinians that Hamas hates so much that they are happy to continue the genocide against their own people?

Hamas would never have existed if the ILLEGAL CREATION of the New Nazi State wasn’t to atone for the Germany’s crimes against humanity!

November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

Is there a number or a percentage of casualties/ deaths that Hamas is happy, willing and able to sacrifice while blaming Lord Balfour?

How many Palestinians must die before Hamas is vindicated/ defeated?

If its gets to a single pair of Palestinians left, (both Hamas,) one woman, one man, will one or the other need to die because of Lord Balfour and if so which one?

My guess is the male Palestanian will thro the female Palestanian under the bus/ infront of the tank, but what do I know?

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Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
NitanHitler is paying EXPERTS to DENY …

His crimes against humanity!

Soooooo, why is Hamas allowing this to continue?

Since the Palestinians give aid and comfort, since the Palestinians support Hamas, it's obvious that aid given to the Palestinians in Gaza actually feeds Hamas.

So if Hamas could choose to save the Palestinians by surrendering or agreeing to the ceasefire or retreating or just knocking it off? Why don't they?

What is it about the Palestinians that Hamas hates so much that they are happy to continue the genocide against their own people?

Hamas would never have existed if the ILLEGAL CREATION of the New Nazi State wasn’t to atone for the Germany’s crimes against humanity!

November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

Is there a number or a percentage of casualties/ deaths that Hamas is happy, willing and able to sacrifice while blaming Lord Balfour?

How many Palestinians must die before Hamas is vindicated/ defeated?

If its gets to a single pair of Palestinians left, (both Hamas,) one woman, one man, will one or the other need to die because of Lord Balfour and if so which one?

My guess is the male Palestanian will thro the female Palestanian under the bus/ infront of the tank, but what do I know?

Is there any limit to how many innocent people get killed, displaced, kicked out of their homes, to make way for ILLEGALLY imported foreigners from other countries just because they are Jews?

Ben happening since the ILLEGAL CREATION of the Zionist Entity.

They have been behaving EXACTLY as the Nazis did against the Jews

Only difference it is directed against the lawful population of Palestine!

Stop trying to turn a blind eye to crimes against humanity perpetrated by the New Nazis, the Zionists!

And with your ORANGE MAGA TURD, who has turned your country into a puppet to NitanHitler, these crimes are continuing.

Hamas would never have existed, or were forced to act, if their own people have not been persecuted since 1948!

Careful now people. If you even vaguely suggest that the Israeli government is doing anything questionable, you are an anti-semite. The meaning of that word has been stood on its head.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Careful now people. If you even vaguely suggest that the Israeli government is doing anything questionable, you are an anti-semite. The meaning of that word has been stood on its head.

I don't believe that's true here Bill, I hope that's not true of me.

It's the suggestion that Hamas and Islamic Terrorists are the new Freedom Fighters, the new heroes that perplexed me. That Saeed and the East support and defend The Taliban and ISIS is a no brainer and never should have been. But why the West? Why for example would New York residents and citizens participate in pro Islamic Terrorist protests and events after 9/11?

I wish I couldn't believe it but here we are.

How many Americans does Hamas still hold hostage after the October Terrorist attack?

. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

. . . perhaps being an armed terrorist group would have something to do with it.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

Excellent explanation of what is going on in Gaza. Spot on.

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The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

The Israelis have to be aware that they are creating generations of mortal enemies. Yet why does Israel act like it doesn't care?

The only thing that makes sense is that the Isrealis really are trying to exterminate the Palestinians.

Genocide, as Saeed says?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

Excellent explanation of what is going on in Gaza. Spot on.

but that will never reach the pro israel killing civilians we have here.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

Excellent explanation of what is going on in Gaza. Spot on.

Not for me to say that is wrong, but is it right?
An excellent explanation and "spot on" from Great Britain and Texas? Regarding the M.E.?

If any of us here are Excellent Explainers or are spot on then why is Syria Iraq and Afghanistan in the shape they are today?

I am very skeptical given our documented failures in excellent explanation.

What is Israel doing?

Rapidly losing the PR part of the war.

They will undoubtedly wake up at some point with no friends. Then they will discover whether or not they can win by themselves.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . the notion, implied or otherwise, that all or a majority of Palestinians support Hamas is a bit absurd. Of course, given what the Palestinians have seen Israel do to Gaza I am sure that today many more Palestinians sympathize with Hamas then before Israel embarked upon its mission to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians. Israel has just created several generations of people that will be dedicated to seeking revenge for seeing their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children killed and their homes destroyed. I guess that is why Israel feels that the best way to deal with the situation now is to simply kill, bomb and starve them all. That seems to fit the definition of genocide pretty well.

You would know better than I, but if Hamas is about 20k strong and there are 2 million Palestinians how does Hamas survive if they don't have the support of Palestinians?

How does Hamas seem to be able to use civilian Palestanian infrastructure with impunity?

The population of Northern Ireland far outnumbered the various terrorist groups and many in no way supported them. It’s easy to say why don’t they just get rid of them when you are not the one voicing objections.

If you have a family, you don’t fully know who the terrorists are, said terriers are the ones with the guns and they have no problem executing or knee capping opponents it’s a different story.

The other side of the coin is that when a foreign army is shooting, shelling and bombing anything that moves including kids and women some people are going to support anyone they perceive as fighting back.

I had dinner with two Iraqi friends last night, both of them said that all Isreal is doing is creating the next generation of people with a desire for revenge. Even if you exterminate every single person in Gaza they all have parents, sons, cousins, fathers who live in the West Bank or elsewhere.

Excellent explanation of what is going on in Gaza. Spot on.

Not for me to say that is wrong, but is it right?
An excellent explanation and "spot on" from Great Britain and Texas? Regarding the M.E.?

If any of us here are Excellent Explainers or are spot on then why is Syria Iraq and Afghanistan in the shape they are today?

I am very skeptical given our documented failures in excellent explanation.

What does the ability to accurately explain or describe an event or geopolitical situation have to do with having or not having the ability to influence the event or geopolitical situation?

What would prevent any reasonably well-informed person from offering such a description. Not following at all.